The Field of Physics

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
I think the most likely way for humans to colonize other worlds would be to develop AI technology to the point AI’s could journey for hundreds of years to another world then prepare it for human life. The AI’s would then need to raise test tube babies and be able to love, educate and otherwise prepare them. The challenges of terraforming another world or genetically modifying humans to live on another world would be staggering but probably more surmountable than living humans making the journey and doing all that.[/quote]

Yeah, but if that was a likely scenario and if there were other intelligent life forms in this here galaxy, this would already have homesteaded the whole galaxy.

Google von Neumann probe, I kid you not. [/quote]

While it’s possible we’re not the only intelligent life in the universe, it’s also possible we’re the most intelligent life in the universe. You also really can’t rely on the reasoning of “if it were possible, someone else would have done it before”. We may end up being the first to homestead the galaxy, even if another lifeform has the technology and capability to do so. The reasoning just doesn’t add up.[/quote]

If just one, just one alien civilization has had the same idea they would have settled this galaxy in 20 million years, i.e, nothing if their probes made around 1% of the speed of light,

Of course I am pulling this all from memory but I believe its in the ballpark.

Could we be the first?

Yes.

I suspect though that we are in for another narcissistic shock, like the earth not being the center of the universe and such.
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That is true to an extent, but most advanced topics in any field require years of dedicated study to understand, but in his case he was doing it on purpose in order to sound so smart and to confuse readers to discourage criticism, which didn’t work since he is not the only smart person in the world, and other smart people like myself actually took the time to become experts in our fields and can spot an amateur pretending to be an expert from a mile away.

I did a little research and he did actually did provide his results from an IQ test. He scored a 47 (he is not the only person to do that either) on the Mega test, which would put his IQ at between about 185 and 195. In contrast, I got a 46, the same as Savant, so our ability to learn is about the same, give or take about 10 IQ points, if you think IQ tests mean anything. His abilities are not that far above most top scientists, with the exception that we are actual experts in our fields, that he can claim to understand multiple topics so much better then us that we wouldn’t understand him. It is just absurd and his claims to the contrary are just childish and ruin any credibility he may have had. I really feel sorry for him because if he would take the time to actually dedicate himself to any field and use his ability to learn he could be an expert and have the renown that he expects just for having a high IQ.[/quote]

Somehow I feel that post was for someone else.

I shall deliver your mail asap.

edit: no, thats mine.

Well, in that case, hey, being really, really clever does not really prevent anyone from being a full blown narcissist.

In fact it would make it so much easier, but there comes a point where I myself would wonder why I would only use it to be a bouncer and to get handjobs from highschool girls.

At the very least he could do is become a criminal mastermind or a Wall Street mathematician… though one could argue that this is the same thing really.

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
@ Dr. Matt knowing you like futurama I think the episodes with the brain spawn had “Boltzmann brains” as inspiration for those episodes.[/quote]

I always thought that too, but it was never confirmed and I never seem to be able to make it to big sci-fi conventions to ask. Futurama is by far my favorite TV show.

[quote]NAUn wrote:
My phd research is in applied physics although I’m a materials science and engineering student. To Dr. Matt I’m probably the worst kind of imposter :wink: I work on correlated electron systems research, so I’m about half a century behind in terms of theory.

Dr Matt, I’m curious what evidence you refer to w.r.t. extra dimensions? Intuitively I’m inclined to agree with you on this. I understand that we don’t have any rigorous mathematical reason not to accept that they are at least possible, but beyond the mathematical requirements of various theories beyond the Standard Model what sort of evidence is there? Your patience and willingness to explain ideas on here is nothing short of remarkable.

Also, beyond the prospect of gathering further data about the particle-potentially-known-as-Higgs’, what more may we gain from the LHC? Do you think there is good reason to expect relevant information on supersymmetry?[/quote]

Most of the evidence is just circumstantial, like anomalies in various experiments that are outside of the margins of error, that are best explained by extra (not necessarily “higher”) dimensions. I will try and dig up some studies later when I have more time. There is nothing concrete, we won’t have the energy capabilities to really test that stuff until we get the Very Large Hadron Collider built which will take some time to finish since we haven’t even decided on a location for it.

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

Most of the evidence is just circumstantial, like anomalies in various experiments that are outside of the margins of error, that are best explained by extra (not necessarily “higher”) dimensions. I will try and dig up some studies later when I have more time. There is nothing concrete, we won’t have the energy capabilities to really test that stuff until we get the Very Large Hadron Collider built which will take some time to finish since we haven’t even decided on a location for it.
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What is your thought/explanation about string theory?
To sum what I understand in a nutshell is that it’s different movement patterns of energy in a membranous (multi dimensional) pattern? or at least that’s what’s expected, and to my understanding the problems arise with the calculations that need to be conflict free to determine whether the suggested dimensions could exist as theorized.

the way i like to imagine it that i think gives me more insight is thinking of a particle as having 0 dimensions but moving in various dimensions and the nature of the relationships of these movements then dictates the nature of the particles at a larger level?

and that’s way i’ve deemed it necessary in my own mind to be able to understand the wave function since it would give more insight into the matter.

of course i am absolutely clueless but that’s sort of my planned approach to understanding a bit more.

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
One question for Dr. Matt:

Was Lisi even remotely close to right on anything regarding higgs-boson? [/quote]

Not really, at least not on anything he wrote that contradicted what the standard model predicted. It has been a while since I have bothered to read any of his work so I can’t say for sure, except that he has been totally discredited in the field of physics. I should also point out that we are still in the process of confirming this particle as a Higgs Boson. For now, we know that this is a new particle that is the approximate mass of what a Higgs Boson should be and has many of the characteristics that a Higgs Boson should have, but we are not done verifying all of those properties.[/quote]

So it quacks like a duck?

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

You are being too modest. Advanced topics in physics really are much harder to grasp than advanced topics in biology, chemistry and computer science.
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I don’t know, man. My fiance is a biologist and when she talks about her research I am completely lost. I usually just zone out and think about or stare at her boobs.
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Could you go ahead and post them along with a speech so we can zone out and stare at them too? It’s the only right thing to do here…

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
I think the most likely way for humans to colonize other worlds would be to develop AI technology to the point AI’s could journey for hundreds of years to another world then prepare it for human life. The AI’s would then need to raise test tube babies and be able to love, educate and otherwise prepare them. The challenges of terraforming another world or genetically modifying humans to live on another world would be staggering but probably more surmountable than living humans making the journey and doing all that.[/quote]

Yeah, but if that was a likely scenario and if there were other intelligent life forms in this here galaxy, this would already have homesteaded the whole galaxy.

Google von Neumann probe, I kid you not. [/quote]

While it’s possible we’re not the only intelligent life in the universe, it’s also possible we’re the most intelligent life in the universe. You also really can’t rely on the reasoning of “if it were possible, someone else would have done it before”. We may end up being the first to homestead the galaxy, even if another lifeform has the technology and capability to do so. The reasoning just doesn’t add up.[/quote]

Whether that’s true or not, we will never know.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
I think the most likely way for humans to colonize other worlds would be to develop AI technology to the point AI’s could journey for hundreds of years to another world then prepare it for human life. The AI’s would then need to raise test tube babies and be able to love, educate and otherwise prepare them. The challenges of terraforming another world or genetically modifying humans to live on another world would be staggering but probably more surmountable than living humans making the journey and doing all that.[/quote]

Yeah, but if that was a likely scenario and if there were other intelligent life forms in this here galaxy, this would already have homesteaded the whole galaxy.

Google von Neumann probe, I kid you not. [/quote]

While it’s possible we’re not the only intelligent life in the universe, it’s also possible we’re the most intelligent life in the universe. You also really can’t rely on the reasoning of “if it were possible, someone else would have done it before”. We may end up being the first to homestead the galaxy, even if another lifeform has the technology and capability to do so. The reasoning just doesn’t add up.[/quote]

Whether that’s true or not, we will never know. [/quote]

Well, if they land tomorrow…

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
I think the most likely way for humans to colonize other worlds would be to develop AI technology to the point AI’s could journey for hundreds of years to another world then prepare it for human life. The AI’s would then need to raise test tube babies and be able to love, educate and otherwise prepare them. The challenges of terraforming another world or genetically modifying humans to live on another world would be staggering but probably more surmountable than living humans making the journey and doing all that.[/quote]

Yeah, but if that was a likely scenario and if there were other intelligent life forms in this here galaxy, this would already have homesteaded the whole galaxy.

Google von Neumann probe, I kid you not. [/quote]

While it’s possible we’re not the only intelligent life in the universe, it’s also possible we’re the most intelligent life in the universe. You also really can’t rely on the reasoning of “if it were possible, someone else would have done it before”. We may end up being the first to homestead the galaxy, even if another lifeform has the technology and capability to do so. The reasoning just doesn’t add up.[/quote]

Whether that’s true or not, we will never know. [/quote]

The probability of the existence of intelligent species aside from our own, can be only theoretically/mathematically calculated.
both citations taken from wikipedia, yes call me shallow


These both are two expressions of the same equation, the Drake’s equation (noted also for his YOLO theorem/jk). They add some reasoning to the dark, crowded with hobos and idiots ,tunnel of the search for extraterrestial life.

[quote]Marlind wrote:
These both are two expressions of the same equation, the Drake’s equation (noted also for his YOLO theorem/jk). They add some reasoning to the dark, crowded with hobos and idiots ,tunnel of the search for extraterrestial life.[/quote]

Yeah well, that piles speculations on speculations on speculations.

Not impressed just because someone can express his speculations in mathematical terms.

At the very least a hobo is easy to spot for most people-

[quote]Mutu wrote:
The Higgs like particle that has been found is an amazing breakthrough, but I find quantum mechanics infinitely more interesting…the fact that small particles can teleport, tunnel, entangle, exist in more than one place, and change by being observed tells us a lot about the fundamental properties of all matter and as such, reality itself, don’t you think?[/quote]

If the quantum realm even roughly corresponded with our experiences in the wide, wide macroscopic world, I could agree.

But it don’t so I don’t.

[quote]orion wrote:
Well, if they land tomorrow…[/quote]

… we shall be at their mercy, completely.

On this topic, it’s hard to argue with Hawking’s position.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Marlind wrote:
These both are two expressions of the same equation, the Drake’s equation (noted also for his YOLO theorem/jk). They add some reasoning to the dark, crowded with hobos and idiots ,tunnel of the search for extraterrestial life.[/quote]

Yeah well, that piles speculations on speculations on speculations.

Not impressed just because someone can express his speculations in mathematical terms.

At the very least a hobo is easy to spot for most people-[/quote]
Yep I agree, I’m just saying that mathematics, being the materialization of logic, brings us to this result. It may be, or most likely, is wrong, but hey who the fuck cares, I need rationalization bro…

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
I think the most likely way for humans to colonize other worlds would be to develop AI technology to the point AI’s could journey for hundreds of years to another world then prepare it for human life. The AI’s would then need to raise test tube babies and be able to love, educate and otherwise prepare them. The challenges of terraforming another world or genetically modifying humans to live on another world would be staggering but probably more surmountable than living humans making the journey and doing all that.[/quote]

Yeah, but if that was a likely scenario and if there were other intelligent life forms in this here galaxy, this would already have homesteaded the whole galaxy.

Google von Neumann probe, I kid you not. [/quote]

While it’s possible we’re not the only intelligent life in the universe, it’s also possible we’re the most intelligent life in the universe. You also really can’t rely on the reasoning of “if it were possible, someone else would have done it before”. We may end up being the first to homestead the galaxy, even if another lifeform has the technology and capability to do so. The reasoning just doesn’t add up.[/quote]

Whether that’s true or not, we will never know. [/quote]

Well, if they land tomorrow…[/quote]

Then they started many thousands of years ago…

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Well, if they land tomorrow…[/quote]

… we shall be at their mercy, completely.

On this topic, it’s hard to argue with Hawking’s position.

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Slumped over sideways in a wheel chair?

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Well, if they land tomorrow…[/quote]

… we shall be at their mercy, completely.

On this topic, it’s hard to argue with Hawking’s position.

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yep that too, lets be honest, for any hobbyist physicist Hawkings opinions are almost always DOGMA.

[quote]Marlind wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Marlind wrote:
These both are two expressions of the same equation, the Drake’s equation (noted also for his YOLO theorem/jk). They add some reasoning to the dark, crowded with hobos and idiots ,tunnel of the search for extraterrestial life.[/quote]

Yeah well, that piles speculations on speculations on speculations.

Not impressed just because someone can express his speculations in mathematical terms.

At the very least a hobo is easy to spot for most people-[/quote]
Yep I agree, I’m just saying that mathematics, being the materialization of logic, brings us to this result. It may be, or most likely, is wrong, but hey who the fuck cares, I need rationalization bro…[/quote]

I feel you, rationalize away!

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Well, if they land tomorrow…[/quote]

… we shall be at their mercy, completely.

On this topic, it’s hard to argue with Hawking’s position.

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Slumped over sideways in a wheel chair?
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Ouch. well played.

[quote]pat wrote:
Whether that’s true or not, we will never know.

Well, if they land tomorrow…

Then they started many thousands of years ago…[/quote]

Only for the gravity-bound loved ones they left at home…