[quote]dhickey wrote:
pat wrote:
His best accomplishments were his Supreme court appointments.
I believe Bush is over vilified for things that weren’t even his domain, however, I do not think he was a good president.
He squandered many opportunities, spent like a drunk sailor despite increasing revenue, and started Iraq…I disagree with the fact that Iraq wasn’t a threat…They were, but they were not an overt threat and they were controllable by means other than war. He single handedly turned the government over to excessively liberal democrats. People wanted to get so far away from Bush, that they were willing to embrace Marx.
That was his biggest fuck up.
100% agree. Bush set the GOP back years, maybe decades. Forget Iraq, if he would have veto’d a few spending bills and kept the GOP crooks in congress under control, we would not be in the situation we are in now.
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I feel they should not have back him if what you say is the truth, Maybe then the Republicans would have some credibility, I still get these emails that George was the best thing since toilet paper. I personally feel that the Republicans are very fractured. You have true conservatives (very small) (Religious nuts) (neo liberal that hate the poor). One that I would not have mentioned but you did was the (corrupt).
[quote]tme wrote:
John S. wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
You don’t think it is?
They used to control afgahnistan now they live in holes in mountains. I would see that as a step down.
The Taliban controls more of Afghanistan now than we do.
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The taliban hides in caves, they don’t control shit. And I’ll play along lets just say they do control more. Well We are just about out of Iraq and were do you think are forces are going full force into next. The Taliban is fucked.
I’m worried more about the constitution and my civil liberties than I am any possible terrorists or attacks on the US. And if you’re not, you better get your fucking priorities straight.
When people are sworn into the presidency or military, it’s not an oath to protect the people, it’s an oath to protect the CONSTITUTION.
The fuck good is having a safe country if we’re being denied our RIGHTS???
""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962)."
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
That I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God" (congress)
[quote]John S. wrote:
tme wrote:
John S. wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
You don’t think it is?
They used to control afgahnistan now they live in holes in mountains. I would see that as a step down.
The Taliban controls more of Afghanistan now than we do.
The taliban hides in caves, they don’t control shit. And I’ll play along lets just say they do control more. Well We are just about out of Iraq and were do you think are forces are going full force into next. The Taliban is fucked.[/quote]
Sure.
After 3000 years of living in the mountains and fighting one invader after another since Alexander the Great they will finally see the light and bow to the mighty American army.
[quote]orion wrote:
John S. wrote:
tme wrote:
John S. wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
You don’t think it is?
They used to control afgahnistan now they live in holes in mountains. I would see that as a step down.
The Taliban controls more of Afghanistan now than we do.
The taliban hides in caves, they don’t control shit. And I’ll play along lets just say they do control more. Well We are just about out of Iraq and were do you think are forces are going full force into next. The Taliban is fucked.
Sure.
After 3000 years of living in the mountains and fighting one invader after another since Alexander the Great they will finally see the light and bow to the mighty American army.
Or maybe not.
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They won’t bow. They will get blown into a million little pieces by our army.
[quote]Orion wrote:
After 3000 years of living in the mountains and fighting one invader after another since Alexander the Great they will finally see the light and bow to the mighty American army.
[/quote]Ah, but Alexander, the British, the Soviets et al. didn’t have unmanned drones, which as everyone knows are the key to defeating warlike mountain tribesmen.
The taliban hides in caves, they don’t control shit. And I’ll play along lets just say they do control more. Well We are just about out of Iraq and were do you think are forces are going full force into next. The Taliban is fucked.[/quote]
I think if you did even a little bit of research to back up your claims you might learn something. But then again you might learn something that doesn’t fit in with what you already believe, so on second thought don’t even bother.
The taliban hides in caves, they don’t control shit. And I’ll play along lets just say they do control more. Well We are just about out of Iraq and were do you think are forces are going full force into next. The Taliban is fucked.
I think if you did even a little bit of research to back up your claims you might learn something. But then again you might learn something that doesn’t fit in with what you already believe, so on second thought don’t even bother.
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I have researched it. And I have talked to people who have been there. You sound just like the people who said we couldn’t win in Iraq.
[quote]Boss6 wrote:
I recently asked a family member who is a confirmed Leftist (and history professor at a New Jersey university) to tell me at least three positive things President George Bush accomplished.
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I’d also like to know what he listed.
[quote]Boss6 wrote:
He did. But surprisingly, his positives did not include ending the fascists Baath Party in Iraq . . . a party that traces its history to Adolf Hitler. It did not include breaking apart Saddam’s network . . . or Al Qaeda’s network. And it did not include the fact that there had been no attack on US soil since 11 Sep 2001.
Were these deliberate attempts to ignore what he obviously knew were important achievements?
No. Honestly . . . I think he just doesn’t “see” them.
Anyone who has ever been divorced knows that divorce comes after fundamental bonds are broken. Two people can agree to disagree for years. But when they finally disagree on certain “first principles” then the fundamental and often fragile bonds are broken and there is nothing left to save.
I think we may be fast approaching that point - if we’re not already there. It’s 1776 again . . . or 1860.
We’re at a point where we no longer can agree on fundamental “American” values and the only thing left to do is dissolve the bonds of Union and separate.
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Which fundamental principles do you think you and your brother differ on? Like you said, he obviously knew that no baath party and no saddaam were “important achievements”.
It seems like you disagree with him about whether or not the Iraq war was a good idea strategically. You consider a person’s opinion on an undeniably very poorly handled Iraq war a fundamental principle?
I’m sure you don’t. But obviously I don’t really see the division that you do. Maybe explain a bit more.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Constitution protection > all else
Get your shit straight.[/quote]
So glad you agree. And as the Constitution gives no powers to Congress to create welfare programs, we can just sweep those the hell out of there right? Right along with all those laws encroaching upon our 2nd and 1st amendment rights.