[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
This is just bullshit. All the crap he spewed about how we should all fall in line and be good little troopers for the good ole’ US of A, and now its ok to dissent…
A serious question.
When was it not ok to offer dissent?
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Is this a trick question? I have been called unpatriotic and un-American not only by our dicksmack leader, but by people all over who believe the propaganda that is fed to them.
It is a historic bias against the extreme left that leads to this labeling that George II has done, and it is why so many people believe that I am in some way unpatriotic.
When has it not been ok to dissent? The question should be “Name a time in American history that it was ok to be a leftist”.
COINTELPRO. COINTELPRO is an acronym for a series of FBI counterintelligence programs designed to neutralize political dissidents. Although covert operations have been employed throughout FBI history, the formal COINTELPRO’s of 1956-1971 were broadly targeted against radical political organizations. In the early 1950s, the Communist Party was illegal in the United States. The Senate and House of Representatives each set up investigating committees to prosecute communists and publicly expose them. (The House Committee on Un-American Activities and the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, led by Senator Joseph McCarthy). When a series of Supreme Court rulings in 1956 and 1957 challenged these committees and questioned the constitutionality of Smith Act prosecutions and Subversive Activities Control Board hearings, the FBI’s response was COINTELPRO, a program designed to “neutralize” those who could no longer be prosecuted. Over the years, similar programs were created to neutralize civil rights, anti-war, and many other groups, all said to be “communist front organizations.”
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm
The House on Un-American Activities:
The Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) was originally established in 1937 under the chairmanship of Martin Dies. The main objective of the HUAC was the investigation of un-American and subversive activities.
The HUCA originally investigated both left-wing and right wing political groups. Some called for the leaders of the Ku Klux Klan to be interrogated by the HUAC. Martin Dies however was a supporter of the Klan and had spoken at several of its rallies. Other members of the HUAC such as John Rankin and John S. Wood were also Klan sympathizers. Wood defended the Klan by arguing that: “The threats and intimidations of the Klan are an old American custom, like illegal whisky-making.”
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAhuac.htm
Saccho and Vanzetti:
MYSTERY 1 ? Why were Saccho and Vanzetti executed?
In May 1920 Nicola Saccho and Bartolomeo Vanzetti were arrested for a shoe-company robbery and the murder of a paymaster and his guard. They were put on trial in July 1921 and were sentenced to death. Their appeal lasted until 1927 when they both died in the electric chair.
The Red Scare (the fear of Communism) began not with Bolshevik Revolution in Russia in 1917, but with spread of Communism to other countries in 1919.
Growing radicalism of organized labour appeared to align unions with world-wide radicalism.
Post-war inflation saw cost of living in 1920 rise to 105% above pre-war levels.
Wave of strikes(1919)
Radicalism associated with terrorism (was spate of parcel bombs ? but unlikely Communists had anything to do with it).
Industrialists characterized unions as Communists.
http://www.lordbillshistory.homestead.com/files/Saccho_mystery.htm
Should I go on? Do you want me to go back to the Molly Maguires in Pennsylvania? About Reagan’s infamous strikebreakers?
And yet, where is the putcry against the factist organizations? Where is the persecution of the KKK? Where is the breaking of the Aryan Brotherhood?
Why didn’t that House on Un-American Activities go after fascists and right wingers? Gasp! Coud it be that America is far more tolerant of fascist governments than of socialist ones?
Doesn’t this make any of you wonder what being an American really is about? We are a free country…that crushes dissent. Say what you want…as long as you don’t get too powerful, or don’t move the unions to do something radical.
America has a huge history of making tremendous mistakes, then going back 50 years later and saying, “Wow, wasn’t that terrible. Let’s never do that again”. And then we fucking do it again.
The Salem Witch trials. Wow that was ridiculous. How could they do that to people?
Racism against Catholics. Wow that was terrible. How could everyone think like that?
Racism against Jews. Wow that was terrible. How could we do that to people?
Genocide against the Indians. Wow that was terrible. How could we do that to a race?
Internment of the Japanese in WW II… Wow that was terrible. How could we do that to a race?
McCarthyism. Wow that ridiculous. How could we do that to people over an idealogy? That was certainly a witch hunt.
Guantanomo Bay. Wow…we don’t care right now. Give us 50 years, and we will say: Wow, that was terrible. How could we do that? What were we thinking?
You tell me. When has it been ok to dissent? During the Civil War, when Abrahm Lincoln revoked Habeas Corpus? Or during the whiskey rebellion? Or when Nat Turner’s rebellion was crushed?
Or for that matter, John Brown’s?
Why is it so hard to believe that our government does not want progression towards a better society. They want to maintain the status quo, and stay rich and powerful.
Yet they cry about “one nation under god” in the Pledge of Allegiance.