The Democrat Debate

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The best part of it is Hillary got a pass on everything. She won’t get that luxury in a debate against Trump and he will shred her. [/quote]

Yeah, because he is a master debater…[/quote]

No. His ability to debate has nothing to do with it. He will shred her because he has a lifetime of experience operating at the highest level in the business world. In the business world results and the ability to get results matters. It is the polar opposite of the world of politics where Hillary comes from.

The business world is a very unforgiving environment. You cannot bullshit your way through the business world and be a success like Trump has been. For that same reason in business you cannot be hopeless fuck up like Hillary and get by on making excuses for incompetence like Hillary.

What Trump is doing to the political process is he has turned it into something much more like the interview and selection process for CEO of a major multi billion dollar corporation.

He has turned this into something resembling the apprentice. Project managers who could not cut the mustard got fired. Except in this situation they have to justify why they should even be given the chance to be project manager. [/quote]

I have some very depressing news for anyone who thinks Donald Trump will defeat Hillary Clinton in a debate. It won’t happen. Sorry, but you don’t simply decide one day that you are a politician at the highest level then not having debated over the past several years walk into a debate one on one with Hillary Clinton and beat her. No more than a guy who likes to drive fast can get into an Indy car and defeat the Indianapolis 500 champ. It’s just not happening. There are a particular set of skills that go with each occupation which cannot be ignored. Ask Michael Jordan who one day decided he was a professional baseball player. The only problem was he couldn’t hit a curve ball and struck out too many times and hit only 200 in the minor leagues. Ego is a dangerous thing…

With that said, this does not mean that Trump will be unable to defeat her in an election (although it will be scary close). But, he will get no help from any debate performance vs. Hillary. Most of you guys know how I feel about Hillary Clinton so I am obviously not playing favorites. But I must give her her due based on past performances against Obama she is a reasonably good debater at a very high level.

Pick one of the other seasoned republican politicians who are running for President. Most of them would hold their own against her or in fact defeat her. But Trump, or Carson will look like school children against an adult if they try.

Trust me on this one…

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Conspiracy bullshit…

[quote]Sifu wrote:
It’s like Sanders really isn’t interested in winning, he’s just there to put on a good show then lose to Hillary, just like McCain and Romney did for Obama.[/quote]

…followed by…

Me pointing out suspect behavior that you cannot give an explanation for does not make me a conspiracy theorist, so go fuck yourself.[/quote]

Your suggestion that McCain and Romney were “just there to put on a good show then lose to [Obama]” literally makes you a conspiracy theorist, so fuck yourself right back, and while you’re at it, you can work out that whole killing radius thing (I remember it because it was a fucking faceplant like no other).

In other news, Push asked someone to argue that the Right and Left are the same. Sifu is my argument. For every Bernie fan with five brain cells firing off-tempo, there is a Sifu. The world may just be in perfect balance.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Hillary has clearly broken the law. It is a huge liability for her that has put Sanders ahead of her on some polls. If he really wanted the nomination all he had to do is sat back, shut the fuck up and think to himself, you made that bed bitch, now lie in it and she would have taken a huge hit right there and then.

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Me pointing out suspect behavior that you cannot give an explanation for does not make me a conspiracy theorist, so go fuck yourself.[/quote]

Oh, and by the way, I can explain it very easily, Einstein. Sanders’ research and strategists told him that a sufficient portion of the base – you know, the people he’s courting in a primary debate – does not respond to the email line of attack. Head over to Daily Kos and see whether or not that’s true (it is).

But nah, it’s probably the same lizard overlords who hired Mitt Romney to coordinate a false-flag shooting in Newtown so that the Muslim Brotherhood could recharge Obama’s robot-cactus batteries in the fluoride mind-control chamber under the Statue of Liberty.

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Ya, lets spend more money.
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ib101

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The best part of it is Hillary got a pass on everything. She won’t get that luxury in a debate against Trump and he will shred her. [/quote]

Yeah, because he is a master debater…[/quote]

No. His ability to debate has nothing to do with it. He will shred her because he has a lifetime of experience operating at the highest level in the business world. In the business world results and the ability to get results matters. It is the polar opposite of the world of politics where Hillary comes from.

The business world is a very unforgiving environment. You cannot bullshit your way through the business world and be a success like Trump has been. For that same reason in business you cannot be hopeless fuck up like Hillary and get by on making excuses for incompetence like Hillary.

What Trump is doing to the political process is he has turned it into something much more like the interview and selection process for CEO of a major multi billion dollar corporation.

He has turned this into something resembling the apprentice. Project managers who could not cut the mustard got fired. Except in this situation they have to justify why they should even be given the chance to be project manager. [/quote]

Look, I don’t doubt Trump could beat Hilary in a debate. She is a shitty debater. I was just surprised to see you choose Trump as the person that will crush her, as opposed to someone like Ted Cruz who would undoubtedly pick her apart.

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Every candidate except Web answered black lives matter instead of all lives matter. Unreal.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

…That won’t cover it, and neither will any adjustment to the defense budget, provided that you understand that nobody in the Western world (Europe very much included) who thinks seriously about international politics and the global balance of power – and I mean nobody – deems it a good idea for the U.S. to start adjusting itself down on the scale of relative military might…

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Freeriding on

Ahhh…this little ol’ excerpt here is a simply perfect segue for me to introduce dear OzzyKarl to the notion, a true one at that, that it was the American taxpayer that funded some of his Free! education along with that of many a Belgian, Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman, Frenchman, German, Austrian, Luxembourgian, Dutchman, Swede, Spaniard, Portuguese, Swiss, Dane and Norwegian along with Kiwis, Koreans, and Japanese.

Tell them why this is the case, smh. Or anyone else who cares to beat him to the punch.[/quote]

Freeriding on American security.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:
FYI this is a really short sighted view.[/quote]

FYI, you’re making a grave mistake if you think smh didn’t thoroughly think through his post before making it.

Because there are zero unintended consequences right?

Like the utter devaluation of a BS?
Like the fact out of the 50 best universities in the world, the vast majority are here, and not in socialist utopias?
Like increasing class sizes to the point where you need to double teachers and admin, which only makes it more and more expensive to fund?

And to say you called someone else short sighted…

Because this is a good thing? What? (EDIT: the tax portion, not the income portion.)

No. It isn’t. Economics 101.

Leftist love the word “free” but dont’ know what it means. It isn’t free, not by a long shot, not now, not ever. Not in American nor any country in the world.

No one dislikes immigrants. People dislike ILLEGAL immigrants.

There is a difference.

Yes, because we had our freedom confiscated at the point of a gun like you did? Because we are forced to vote like you are?

Because we have lower rape rates?
Because we have higher median income, by like 40%?
Because we have lower consumer prices, rent, restaurant and groceries prices?
Because we dont’ fleece the “rich” to give handouts to people?

(Note we have about 1,500% more people here than you do and STILl score better in all these places.)

In leftist paradise where people don’t have to earn what they get and can expect other people to provide it for them, yeah, America must really be fucking people.

[quote] People to the left like Bernie might be offering a lot but its nothing many other countries don’t do and my personal hope is your country starts to foster a better environment for you guys :slight_smile: I think Sanders has a great message in this regard though implementation is questionable.
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I think I’m glad you can’t vote in America. [/quote]

Sometimes I think I love you, Beans.[/quote]

Yep, as you guys say, CB hit that out of the park,

stats don’t look good but its a pretty sweet place to live.

now back to the topic at hand, am enjoying the thread.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:

Also even if you take it to the logical conclusion of state ownership of everything I’m not sure how that is anti freedom?
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“Nature smiles at the union of freedom and equality in our utopias. For freedom and equality are sworn and everlasting enemies, and when one prevails the other dies.”[/quote]

I might have to quote Churchill one of these days – maybe real soon – in regards to YOU, smh. Which one do you think I’m thinking of?[/quote]

“The traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash”?

(Actually, he may have never said either of them, which is disappointing!)

But don’t worry, I’m still a Commie who wants to subsidize tuition for poor people while legally allowing them to habitually smoke marijuana cigarettes…reefers.

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[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The best part of it is Hillary got a pass on everything. She won’t get that luxury in a debate against Trump and he will shred her. [/quote]

Yeah, because he is a master debater…[/quote]

No. His ability to debate has nothing to do with it. He will shred her because he has a lifetime of experience operating at the highest level in the business world. In the business world results and the ability to get results matters. It is the polar opposite of the world of politics where Hillary comes from.

The business world is a very unforgiving environment. You cannot bullshit your way through the business world and be a success like Trump has been. For that same reason in business you cannot be hopeless fuck up like Hillary and get by on making excuses for incompetence like Hillary.

What Trump is doing to the political process is he has turned it into something much more like the interview and selection process for CEO of a major multi billion dollar corporation.

He has turned this into something resembling the apprentice. Project managers who could not cut the mustard got fired. Except in this situation they have to justify why they should even be given the chance to be project manager. [/quote]

Look, I don’t doubt Trump could beat Hilary in a debate. She is a shitty debater. I was just surprised to see you choose Trump as the person that will crush her, as opposed to someone like Ted Cruz who would undoubtedly pick her apart.
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Think again about Trump vs. Hillary in a debate. He would have no more of a chance of beating her in a debate than she would negotiating a property deal better than Trump.

Some of you guys better wake up before Trump is the actual candidate and then there is nothing we can do but sit on our hands and hope.

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[quote]aussie486 wrote:

stats don’t look good but its a pretty sweet place to live.

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Of course it is. I’m not trying to shit on Australia here at all, I swear. I’m just tried of the comparison, made by many on the left (particularly in the gun “control” debate), which frames America as lessor than Australia. It’s not.

They are different. That’s really that. I personally can’t be in an airplane long enough to visit without some serious anxiety drugs, but I’ve talked to people that love it “down under”. There is good and bad in both countries.

But when it comes down to it, the US is a pretty bad fucking ass place to be, and the fact the world over has been flocking her to come live for a couple hundred years now, without equal outflow, shows what this Nation can and does do for people.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

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Keep in mind the raw number too.

They have about 15m potential rape victims, oops I mean women.

We have about 165m women, and they have the right of self defense still protected, in most states.

But “America sure is fucking us”…

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That was a debate? It looked more like a socialist love-fest.
Next time I am going to play PC lingo bingo. Every time you hear some PC horseshit like ‘Income inequality’, ‘Black lives matter’, ‘immigration reform’, ‘women’s health’, etc. you get a square.

You’re prize is to be deprived of your freedom, your rights and your money all while having to tolerate other people’s bullshit who refuse to tolerate you. And you get to be labeled a ‘bigot’ by people who claim to detest labels.

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[quote]pat wrote:
That was a debate? It looked more like a socialist love-fest.
Next time I am going to play PC lingo bingo. Every time you hear some PC horseshit like ‘Income inequality’, ‘Black lives matter’, ‘immigration reform’, ‘women’s health’, etc. you get a square.

You’re prize is to be deprived of your freedom, your rights and your money all while having to tolerate other people’s bullshit who refuse to tolerate you. And you get to be labeled a ‘bigot’ by people who claim to detest labels. [/quote]

I think it shows how far left the democrats have gone… although they would probably say the same about republicans. There was nobody who could even be close to a moderate on the stage, and past positions held by democrats have all flip flopped to the far left. Socialism love-fest indeed.

As I said to Zeb in a different thread, I think this gives Republicans a big opportunity to win over moderate democrats and independents.