[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I would assume he does not publish their racist views under his name. Quite a difference.
There wasn’t anything racist that was written.
Spare me.
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�??[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists�??and they can be identified by the color of their skin.�??
�??I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.�??
�??We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.�??
There is too much more to bother with any further.
I would call these statements politically incorrect but not racist. Racism attempts to categorize/classify people by their race which none of these statements do.
it is not racist to identify people by the color of their skin.
He is calling black people actual or potential terrorists. That is not identifying them, that is insulting them!
“95% of black males in Washington D.C. are semi-criminal or entirely criminal” is just a statistic – that at best may have been incorrect when it was stated. It isn’t racist. A racist statement would generalize more definitely; for example, “all black people are criminals”. Classifying a race in a particular location cannot be considered racist by definition.
A phony statistic used to insult black men. Seems to fit the definition of racism pretty well.
Being afraid of black people isn’t racism. It must be a specific classification of black people in order to be racist.
Since 95% are criminals and all are terrorists or potential terrorists he has already classified them.
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If you are going to argue a case of racism you must provide a definition and then logically apply it to all charges.
You are using words that were never stated. You cannot attempt to throw charges at what people say by using terms or phrases you think they might have meant. You can only use the words they actually used.
Nowhere was it mentioned in what you posted what skin color was being identified as terrorists.
The word ‘all’ was never used. You are putting your own valuation into these statements.
How do you know the statistic is phony? Did you even attempt to verify how large the criminal population of black people was in DC when this was written?
It refutes the exact point you were attempting to make. Guilt by association is not guilt.[/quote]
You should try reading my post. I said, Paul was either a:
Flaming racist himself
or
Associated with racists for political advantage and then didn’t even have the balls to defend the association, as he tried to weasel out of responsibility for the relationship when his boyfriend Lew Rockwell was running the show
That is not a categorical condemnation of an association, though a condemnation of an association with racist trash is worthy of such, perhaps in another post. Paul obviously disagrees with you, since he did so much to pretend he had no such association, clearly wanting to avoid it.
But, alas, that wasn’t my point, assuming you can read. My mistake for the assumption.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Good article. I think it’s a bit much to say his supporters weren’t wrong about his chance (in that he had one to win) but he certainly could have made a bigger impact than he did if he had been prepared for it.[/quote]
Well, the more radical ones on various pro-Paul forums were wrong, yes. But most of them were converted liberals, anyways.
I was mainly referring to Paul supporters on this site, myself included. I knew that everything would come down to Iowa and NH. When he lost those battles, I knew he was done.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
That was a reasonably fair article when one discounts the main idea that Paul ever had a chance. Iraqis are better prepared to be free men than Americans so Paul’s message does not resonate here. This is a nation of blissful idiots and cowards being ideologically propped up by the few Republicans and Libertarians among us with brains and balls.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter how many people in this country are asleep…it only matters how many are awake, and what those individuals choose to do.
IF Paul had won in NH, which was well within the limits of his ability, he could have gone on to do well in other primaries.
IF he had gone on to do well in other primaries, he would then not have disappeared from the national radar.
IF he hadn’t bungled the Russert interview in Dec., or handled the Newsletter fiasco better in Jan, he wouldn’t have been buried so readily by the MSM.
It’s not a lottery. It’s not rolling the dice against immeasurable odds. It’s a very simple, very doable strategy: Win early, win small, and build on it until you get big. The same strategy has been employed successfully by political campaigns, small businesses, sports teams, and individuals.
You don’t seem to realize that this was intended to be a “stealth revolution”, from the very beginning. Everybody knew that half the country didn’t know who Ron Paul was, and wouldn’t know by the time the first primary rolled by. His supporters were supposed to work behind the scenes, at the grassroots level, and get him those delegates while the establishment slept on its laurels.
And then everyone who had been asleep would wake up to find a Ron Paul nomination staring them in the face.
That was the original plan. That’s how it was SUPPOSED to go down. That’s how it COULD have been.
Ron Paul never had a chance to win the nomination or a national election, and anyone who thinks so is being dishonest - don’t confuse wishful thinking with objective analysis [/quote]
Money talks, and Paul had 20 million going into the first primary. He could have bought his way to power, same as other politicians: Why didn’t he? In any case, there was substance behind the shouting, so you’re wrong here.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
2. Paul’s image outsized his actual impact, a la Howard Dean, for largely the same reasons - his primary base was comprised of young people who just wanted to be angry at the Man, and there was no coherent political movement within it (“but he had 70% of the vote on Facebook!!!”)[/quote]
Yes, there were plenty of dumb liberals and kids who sided with him due to the war and “anybody but Bush” attitude. It doesn’t matter though, because they were ready to vote for him. So why discount them?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
3. Ron Paul is either a racist piece of trash or he associated himself with folks who were for political advantage, and then the honest, straight-talkin’ Ron Paul dissembled like a spineless weasel when challenged on it
Al Shades/NP is a racist piece of trash who has shamed himself beyond repair in these forums - and it is no wonder he was such a fan of the guy[/quote]
This is a conservative forum and racial preservation, national sovereignty, et. al. are conservative issues. If you don’t like it, explain your liberal sentiments or simply leave.
I liked Ron Paul, but ya, his wider appeal was killed by his followers. Word of mouth was weak, as most of the people who supported him valued their individuality a little bit too much.
Money talks, and Paul had 20 million going into the first primary. He could have bought his way to power, same as other politicians: Why didn’t he? In any case, there was substance behind the shouting, so you’re wrong here.[/quote]
Absolute nonsense, of course - the amount of money he had in the bank does not translate into votes, and votes are what put you into office. Paul couldn’t have “bought” his way into power - who is he going to buy?
Paul had lots of money for one simple reason - his followers don’t understand the principle of throwing good money after bad. A further testament to their ignorance - as if we needed any more.
There were plenty of stupid young people - but I repeat myself - interested in Paul’s campaign. They were never a legitimate political force - they showed up and spammed internet polls. They could have voted, and of course, so what? They didn’t matter, not with mainstream voters ignoring them and spending time on real races with legitimate candidates.
Quite wrong again - this isn’t a “conservative” forum, and certainly racial preservation is not a “conservative issue”, even if it were. You’re a piece of flotsam and jetsam around here, and your garbage isn’t tolerated, nor do you have the capital to proclaim this forum “white supremacist turf”, demanding that those that won’t buy into your fragile ego’s ideology to be unwelcome.
You are a racist piece of trash, probably because you are small, weak, and insecure, and in need of a false ideology to make you feel better about whatever shame you carry. Enough. You have been laughed off the forum once as “Al Shades”, and now you are ridiculed as “Nominal Prospect”. Perhaps you should seek out some fellow worms who will actually listen to you - around here, you are a laughingstock.
Man that is true as fuck. Cuz I got a call from someone about supporting the Paul campaign…then I found it took work and…socializing…That pretty much had me hang up the phone right there.
Most of the Paul base, wasn’t strong on those points.
When it came down to precinct level mobilization and not graffiti and all that.
Bobby Teenager who likes to smoke weed and thinks ar-15s are cool, isn’t going to be very effective at canvassing his baby boomer neighbors.
I think those outside of that base, pretty much think that Paul was a guy who just wanted to say NO to everything, some crabby Anti-Everything old man, with a bunch of crabby wierdos following him.
Alot of the older and more established people in our country despite political leaning, feel that there are probably reasons why our establishments (even if they are nebulous and contradictory) have evolved to where they are.
And aboliishing everything, and turning into some kind of close minded, constitution-ocracy, wasn’t going to help anything.
All that being said, I hope that up from the ashes of this might come a candidate at some point…that will champion Ron Paul’s messages and ideas properly. One capable of running a solid campaign who will not squander even the smallest of opportunities, and shows up to debates with his giant nutsack at the ready. Keen enough to know which gun to pull out of the political holster and when.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
You are a racist piece of trash, probably because you are small, weak, and insecure, and in need of a false ideology to make you feel better about whatever shame you carry. Enough. You have been laughed off the forum once as “Al Shades”, and now you are ridiculed as “Nominal Prospect”. Perhaps you should seek out some fellow worms who will actually listen to you - around here, you are a laughingstock.[/quote]
“Laughed off the forum”? Negative, I was banned. A more fundamental difference could not exist.
My posting privileges were forcibly revoked by the moderators, apparently due to an influx of requests from peeved forum members who couldn’t take what they were dishing out. I was flamed to hell and back - yet I never made a single complaint. That’s a testament to the strength of my character, to the veracity and accuracy of my argument, and to the weakness of my foes.
My writing impacted people on this forum enough to cause a visceral reaction which led to my removal by popular demand (i.e. lynch mob).
I accomplished this without spamming and flaming, which - once again - is a testament to the power of my arguments.
We have a better crowd now. Thankfully, the mods have stepped back, and this forum is no longer a neocon’s paradise patrolled by heavy-handed watchmen. We now have posters dedicated to combatting the tripe put out by the likes of you. For that, I’m grateful. It’s the reason why I’ve chosen to return.
People may laugh at a jester, but they call the authorities when someone is perceived to be a threat.
You will be judged by your actions and not your words, forever and always.
I speak of traditional conservative issues because I am a traditional conservative. Your father and grandfather would likely have had the same viewpoints, as would any white, conservative male in this country up until a few years ago. This is an overwhelmingly conservative forum, and I am a conservative, whether you like it or not.
Proud whites who are racially aware carry no shame. Shame is for the masses of fools indoctrinated by liberal, multiculturalist propaganda. Enjoy your white guilt. Enjoy living without culture, without history, without the fundamental tribal bonds that bring humans together. Worm.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
You are a racist piece of trash, probably because you are small, weak, and insecure, and in need of a false ideology to make you feel better about whatever shame you carry. Enough. You have been laughed off the forum once as “Al Shades”, and now you are ridiculed as “Nominal Prospect”. Perhaps you should seek out some fellow worms who will actually listen to you - around here, you are a laughingstock.
“Laughed off the forum”? Negative, I was banned. A more fundamental difference could not exist.
My posting privileges were forcibly revoked by the moderators, apparently due to an influx of requests from peeved forum members who couldn’t take what they were dishing out. I was flamed to hell and back - yet I never made a single complaint. That’s a testament to the strength of my character, to the veracity and accuracy of my argument, and to the weakness of my foes.
My writing impacted people on this forum enough to cause a visceral reaction which led to my removal by popular demand (i.e. lynch mob).
I accomplished this without spamming and flaming, which - once again - is a testament to the power of my arguments.
We have a better crowd now. Thankfully, the mods have stepped back, and this forum is no longer a neocon’s paradise patrolled by heavy-handed watchmen. We now have posters dedicated to combatting the tripe put out by the likes of you. For that, I’m grateful. It’s the reason why I’ve chosen to return.
People may laugh at a jester, but they call the authorities when someone is perceived to be a threat.
You will be judged by your actions and not your words, forever and always.
I speak of traditional conservative issues because I am a traditional conservative. Your father and grandfather would likely have had the same viewpoints, as would any white, conservative male in this country up until a few years ago. This is an overwhelmingly conservative forum, and I am a conservative, whether you like it or not.
Proud whites who are racially aware carry no shame. Shame is for the masses of fools indoctrinated by liberal, multiculturalist propaganda. Enjoy your white guilt. Enjoy living without culture, without history, without the fundamental tribal bonds that bring humans together. Worm.[/quote]
You need a serious dose of self-awareness. I don’t think anyone was scared of your writing, or that you made some “powerful impact” here. It’s a fucking bodybuilding forum! You’re not saving the world or leading a crusade. You’re having largely pointless, occasionally illuminating arguments with strangers.
And from what little I can remember of Al Shades (occasionally humorous, but nowhere near ragdolling Mark Lonnie Jr. in my Testosterone trolls hall of fame), if your ass got banned, it was because you were annoying and incessant, nothing more.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
You are a racist piece of trash, probably because you are small, weak, and insecure, and in need of a false ideology to make you feel better about whatever shame you carry. Enough. You have been laughed off the forum once as “Al Shades”, and now you are ridiculed as “Nominal Prospect”. Perhaps you should seek out some fellow worms who will actually listen to you - around here, you are a laughingstock.
“Laughed off the forum”? Negative, I was banned. A more fundamental difference could not exist.
My posting privileges were forcibly revoked by the moderators, apparently due to an influx of requests from peeved forum members who couldn’t take what they were dishing out. I was flamed to hell and back - yet I never made a single complaint. That’s a testament to the strength of my character, to the veracity and accuracy of my argument, and to the weakness of my foes.
My writing impacted people on this forum enough to cause a visceral reaction which led to my removal by popular demand (i.e. lynch mob).
I accomplished this without spamming and flaming, which - once again - is a testament to the power of my arguments.
We have a better crowd now. Thankfully, the mods have stepped back, and this forum is no longer a neocon’s paradise patrolled by heavy-handed watchmen. We now have posters dedicated to combatting the tripe put out by the likes of you. For that, I’m grateful. It’s the reason why I’ve chosen to return.
People may laugh at a jester, but they call the authorities when someone is perceived to be a threat.
You will be judged by your actions and not your words, forever and always.
I speak of traditional conservative issues because I am a traditional conservative. Your father and grandfather would likely have had the same viewpoints, as would any white, conservative male in this country up until a few years ago. This is an overwhelmingly conservative forum, and I am a conservative, whether you like it or not.
Proud whites who are racially aware carry no shame. Shame is for the masses of fools indoctrinated by liberal, multiculturalist propaganda. Enjoy your white guilt. Enjoy living without culture, without history, without the fundamental tribal bonds that bring humans together. Worm.[/quote]
LMAO!!
wait…you are serious, aren’t you?
You are a racist of the highest order. If you want to hold that up as some sort of banner, and wear your banning as a trophy - go ahead.
I am conservative to the core, and it sickens me that you use that word to describe yourself.
You were banned, not because you are right - but because you spew hatred and bigotry like others exhale CO2.
I might be hateful in my posting style - but at least I have the balls to stand toe to toe with those I am being hateful to. You are a coward who has yet to engage anyone.
To think that anyone would think of you as more than a warm steaming pile of pig shit would be to far overstate your worth to this forum, or any forum on T-Nation.
Well back to Ron Paul and away from vindictiveness. Unfortunately I am in North Carolina and we have yet to have our primary. Stupid state. I am voting for Paul still because his platform resonates with the true American ideals of Horatio Alger I had drilled into my nugget from a small age.
While some disagree with the Horatio Alger myth/story I agree to a large part that with enough gumption and try, most anyone can be successful in this country. It does not matter which side of the tracks you grew up on or what state or what color you are. You can make it and there are plenty of stories out there to prove it.
Unfortunately, the other candidates all want to replace hard work and motivation with government handouts and programs. Most people are not looking to get rich they are just looking to get by and enjoy life. It is too bad the result of large government effectivelly neuters the populace and replaces that formerly present set of balls with a check/card/subsidy.
To top if all off if you do not drink the large cup of Kool Aid big Govt provides for you they have a nice new shiny jail they can keep you in.
The good doctor looks like an old frail man. This did not look good on television. He was rarely asked questions and when he was the cameras panned to the other candidates and showed them smirking or giggling. Putnere every time he was mentioned it was prefaced with the words impossible, improbable, kooky, goofy, isolationist, Fed banning, Gold loving, and on and on. I do not recall a time at all he was treated fairly as a candidate.
I like his positions for the most part. He was unable to sell them in the 30 seconds to a minute he had when he was put on the spot. I could care less what his supportters look like or how they act. That is a trail I could delve into about all of the candidates and no one would like it because they all have people we would not identify with.
His positions are good. He just did not have the George Clooney looks nor the smooth speech to sell them.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You were banned, not because you are right - but because you spew hatred and bigotry like others exhale CO2.[/quote]
Sheer nonsense. I was not even racially aware, as I am now, back in 2005. Race never came up as an issue. I was just a kid posting libertarian arguments on a neocon dominated message board. I made the mistake of revealing my age - which ensured that nothing I wrote would be taken seriously by 75% of the forum members at that time, regardless of how truthful it was.
You claimed that I was naive and would “grow out of it”. Instead of growing out of anything, your board is now populated by others - adults - who espouse the very same beliefs that I do. They are firmly entrenched, and your side has lost the numbers advantage that you once enjoyed. I rejoice in this.
How the mighty have fallen.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I might be hateful in my posting style - but at least I have the balls to stand toe to toe with those I am being hateful to. You are a coward who has yet to engage anyone. [/quote]
I have been engaging people since the day I signed up; that’s what draws attention to my posts. I never equivocate and I never hesitate to share my views.
You never stood “toe to toe” with me. What “balls” it must have took for you to gang up on a then-17 year old along with a bunch of other degenerates - most of whom have since evaporated from the forum (Allah be praised).
I was telling you about Ron Paul two years before he ran for President. You laughed then, now you have it shoved into your face - and I’m not even the one doing it. In the end, I was proven to be the only true adult among a bunch of sore losers.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You are a racist of the highest order. If you want to hold that up as some sort of banner, and wear your banning as a trophy - go ahead. [/quote]
LOL - “highest order” - is this the Teutonic Knights? I thank you for the [apparent] compliment, but I do not believe there are any “orders” in place here. I’m a racist, yes - pure and simple. Racist, as any intelligent, conservative (I repeat myself) man ought to be.
[quote]deadleg wrote:
The good doctor looks like an old frail man. This did not look good on television. He was rarely asked questions and when he was the cameras panned to the other candidates and showed them smirking or giggling. Putnere every time he was mentioned it was prefaced with the words impossible, improbable, kooky, goofy, isolationist, Fed banning, Gold loving, and on and on. I do not recall a time at all he was treated fairly as a candidate.
I like his positions for the most part. He was unable to sell them in the 30 seconds to a minute he had when he was put on the spot. I could care less what his supportters look like or how they act. That is a trail I could delve into about all of the candidates and no one would like it because they all have people we would not identify with. His positions are good. He just did not have the George Clooney looks nor the smooth speech to sell them. [/quote]
All of this is true.
Ron Paul is clearly an academic, not a politician. And on TV, during the debates, it showed. In my view, the job of his campaign staff ought to have been to make him a better politician. They failed that task.
“Laughed off the forum”? Negative, I was banned. A more fundamental difference could not exist.[/quote]
Try again - go mention “.9 of a banana” in any forum, and you will get a steady stream of chuckles, rollicking, and mockery.
[quote]My posting privileges were forcibly revoked by the moderators, apparently due to an influx of requests from peeved forum members who couldn’t take what they were dishing out. I was flamed to hell and back - yet I never made a single complaint. That’s a testament to the strength of my character, to the veracity and accuracy of my argument, and to the weakness of my foes.
My writing impacted people on this forum enough to cause a visceral reaction which led to my removal by popular demand (i.e. lynch mob).[/quote]
I realize you must convince yourself of your own worth - no one is certainly going to - but T-Nation likely banned you as a matter of economics: as airheaded dimwits like you troll about, good people start leaving the site and taking their interest in T-Nation with them.
You got singled out not because you “challenge people”, but because you are a barnacle on a ship in need of scraping off.
So predictable - you ever notice how you can’t stop reminding the rest of us as to the testament of your intellect or arguments or character - you are a walking self-esteem problem.
It’s no wonder you are drawn to white supremacy ideology - there is nothing else in your life that is worth being proud of, so you grab on to the false truth of your race making you better than others. You are, quite honestly, a demonstrated loser, for if you were worth a damn, you wouldn’t have to try and rely on your skin color to fill that pathetic void of self-worth so obviously missing.
Oh yeah? Which posters? Most posters around here can eat Alpha Bits and shit a better argument than the stuff you type - and strangely, I can’t point to one other poster here who indulges in the insecure fantasy of white supremacy.
Where are your brethren now, Al Shades? Surely your white power warriors around here will come to rescue in this thread. Surely? Where are they?
Yoo-hoo? White supremacists? Apparently there are tons of you on the forum, and your gimp Nominal Prospect is in need of a little racial solidarity, so won’t you come out and play?
Anyone?
Bueller?
I’ll wait patiently.
Bad analogy - what has happened here is that they called a bouncer to take out the moron ruining the party for the rest of the adults.
[quote]You will be judged by your actions and not your words, forever and always.
I speak of traditional conservative issues because I am a traditional conservative. Your father and grandfather would likely have had the same viewpoints, as would any white, conservative male in this country up until a few years ago. This is an overwhelmingly conservative forum, and I am a conservative, whether you like it or not.[/quote]
You don’t speak of traditional conservative values. And my father and grandfather didn’t think that way, but let me guess - part of your awesomeness includes psychic powers?
As is, the forums here do have a very strong conservative element - of which, you aren’t welcome. We could do a raise of hands of the self-described conservatives around here who think that white supremacy is part of the conservatism they adhere to, but you don’t want that - it would embarrass you further.
Here is the problem - you have nothing to be proud of. If you have to resort to your skin color to validate yourself, you are a failure as a human. But labeling you as a failure is easy work - long before we discovered you are a puny white supremacist, we knew you were a mouthy twerp begging for respect and attention that you can’t seem to generate without all the noise.
You’re a racist piece of trash, stated earlier, and you aren’t even a part of the white nationalist culture you idealize - you are a wannabe. You are a 5 foot nothing, 100 nothing pound Massachusetts urban wanker wishing you were a six five Midwestern farmboy.
You’re not even a bona fide white supremacist, you are a wannabe white supremacist. That is even more pathetic than the genuine article - a “not good enough to make the varsity white supremacy team” bigot.
As such, don’t pollute the race you claim to be superior - you are genetic trash even by the standards of your own idealized race. To preserve the “white race”, you need big, strong, bright specimens - you don’t even make the cut for the mission you have undertaken.
I am not quite sure to laugh at you or pity you now - perhaps both. But it sounds like life has already done enough to emasculate your self-esteem, so I doubt any of us could make it any worse for you.