[quote]Majin wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Regrettably, an omnipresent and absolute oligarchy/tyranny is a logical outcome of humans doing science.
So is rebellion against it.
Exactly. And overthrow. Because the build-up to any drastic action like a civil war takes many-many years. And what kind of information is built up in the masses’ heads throughout that time is crucial to it’s outcome. That’s why bringing it up and discussing is important as far as I’m concerned.
Apparently they now have a camera for every 5 people in London. I think the worst trait of the ‘internet generation’ is built-up ignorance. Just living in a metropolis I have to ignore many things even by getting to work. The cameras also have a numbing effect in that you get used to and accept their presence. Which in turn ‘prepares’ you for further privacy intrusion.
I knew that Enemy Of the State was totally possible and may be happening and the first thing that reminded me of the movie lately was Google Maps when you click Satellite. You kind of begin to realize that if that’s what you have at your fingertips, what does the government have…[/quote]
In the privacy of your home, you could construct a bio weapon or assemble a suitcase nuke. Therefore, privacy has to be eliminated.
There may come a day when children are implanted at birth with devices to compel appropriate behavior. Who knows what technology can accomplish? If a computer judges that your are engaing in an unacceptable activity, your head explodes.
Why are you calling Professor X dumb? He’s one of the best posters on here and provides insights that most of us (me esp) wouldn’t think of. Being suspicious of government is NOT dumb.
Sorry for the intrusion…[/quote]
Who called Professor X dumb? Go read the early posts of the thread. Zap noted the irony of guys like Jlesk and Jeffdirect complaining that other people were “dumb”. That is ironic - and funny.
Why are you calling Professor X dumb? He’s one of the best posters on here and provides insights that most of us (me esp) wouldn’t think of. Being suspicious of government is NOT dumb.
Sorry for the intrusion…
Who called Professor X dumb? Go read the early posts of the thread. Zap noted the irony of guys like Jlesk and Jeffdirect complaining that other people were “dumb”. That is ironic - and funny.[/quote]
You said ‘As usual, you don’t read very well.’ Okay, you’re implying that his literacy skills are poor and they’ve never improved. By implication, since he is a grown man, that means he’s incapable of improving those skills.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
In the privacy of your home, you could construct a bio weapon or assemble a suitcase nuke. Therefore, privacy has to be eliminated.[/quote]
That’s paranoid thinking. That everyone who can physically present a threat should be treated as a menace. For hundreds of of years people could make explosives in their own homes or have guns or make a fucking bow with arrows, build a stronger and faster body, learn to fight.
Going with your trend of thought the population should be shrinking, not growing. But the reality is that the most pessimistically conservative number of people who are generally good, is about 95%.
Healthy, confident people in a free society with necessary amenities don’t build nukes in their apartments. That’s the people society is held by. Otherwise we wouldn’t even be here today. It’s when people’s lives are turned to hell that they are driven into crazy shit. Shit that fear mongers like you and the government try to sell as some religiously inevitable apocalypse.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It will obviously get more intrusive over time yet there are people even in this thread who act like it isn’t really anything more than a minor inconvenience and that any talk otherwise involves foil hats.
I truly don’t understand those who think this way.[/quote]
Sometimes it’s like “alright, who’s paying you?”. This kind of undying love and trust for the government can either come from a paid online drone or some tiny minority that just needs to feel big daddy’s control for complete serenity. And I see people like that on most boards, it’s liek they all finished the same training program from the original link of this thread.
I knew that Enemy Of the State was totally possible and may be happening and the first thing that reminded me of the movie lately was Google Maps when you click Satellite. You kind of begin to realize that if that’s what you have at your fingertips, what does the government have…[/quote]
I knew that Enemy Of the State was totally possible and may be happening and the first thing that reminded me of the movie lately was Google Maps when you click Satellite. You kind of begin to realize that if that’s what you have at your fingertips, what does the government have…
Have you even seen Google Street View? [/quote]
Yes. It’s cute that they took the time to drive the camera trucks all over the country. It’s a great service and it doesn’t violate anyones rights. But, as I said, it gives insight into what can actually be done.
Between all the street cameras, internal cameras, cellphone gps trackers, satellite view and eavesdropping it’s pretty clear that the ability is very present. The question is - will we just become docile to all of this and open the gate to actual use of all this technology? It’s inevitable that if the power is there, one day someone will decide to use it.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
In the privacy of your home, you could construct a bio weapon or assemble a suitcase nuke. Therefore, privacy has to be eliminated.
There may come a day when children are implanted at birth with devices to compel appropriate behavior. Who knows what technology can accomplish? If a computer judges that your are engaing in an unacceptable activity, your head explodes.[/quote]
I’m not sure where you’re going with this. Are you saying that it’s inevitable and any resistance futile? Do you see it as a lesser evil?
I knew that Enemy Of the State was totally possible and may be happening and the first thing that reminded me of the movie lately was Google Maps when you click Satellite. You kind of begin to realize that if that’s what you have at your fingertips, what does the government have…
Have you even seen Google Street View?
Yes. It’s cute that they took the time to drive the camera trucks all over the country. It’s a great service and it doesn’t violate anyones rights. But, as I said, it gives insight into what can actually be done.
Between all the street cameras, internal cameras, cellphone gps trackers, satellite view and eavesdropping it’s pretty clear that the ability is very present. The question is - will we just become docile to all of this and open the gate to actual use of all this technology? It’s inevitable that if the power is there, one day someone will decide to use it.[/quote]
It’s cute, and funny. There are websites chronicling all the ridiculous things found on google street view, including people having sex, people jacking cars and bikes, someone climbing a wall into someone’s house, people flipping the camera off, or my personal favorite, there is a collection of 3 photos that clearly shows the van driving through a traffic barrier.
Meanwhile, that underlying, wait a second… that’s kind of weird. Still does exist. Especially considering how quickly they were able to map whole cities.
You said ‘As usual, you don’t read very well.’ Okay, you’re implying that his literacy skills are poor and they’ve never improved. By implication, since he is a grown man, that means he’s incapable of improving those skills.
What else could you mean?[/quote]
As in, instead of reading what I actually said and commenting on it, Professor X skims the post and makes up a viewpoint that doesn’t exist and comments on it. He said:
The “laughter” was directed at the irony of two resident dumbasses complaining about other people being dumb, hence the recognition of irony - it had nothing to do with “laughing at the situation”, which was obvious to anyone who read mine - and Zap’s - post.
[quote]Majin wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
In the privacy of your home, you could construct a bio weapon or assemble a suitcase nuke. Therefore, privacy has to be eliminated.
That’s paranoid thinking. That everyone who can physically present a threat should be treated as a menace. For hundreds of of years people could make explosives in their own homes or have guns or make a fucking bow with arrows, build a stronger and faster body, learn to fight.
Going with your trend of thought the population should be shrinking, not growing. But the reality is that the most pessimistically conservative number of people who are generally good, is about 95%.
Healthy, confident people in a free society with necessary amenities don’t build nukes in their apartments. That’s the people society is held by. Otherwise we wouldn’t even be here today. It’s when people’s lives are turned to hell that they are driven into crazy shit. Shit that fear mongers like you and the government try to sell as some religiously inevitable apocalypse.[/quote]
I didn’t think I was fear mongering, just observing facts. Science empowers individuals and one of the powers it gives is the capacity for violence. A person with an IED or just an AK-47 is way more empowered than a guy with a spear.
So, government rules by force and individuals are gaining more and more capability to resist that force. Neighborhoods in ghettos go unpoliced and regions of the world defy the United States.
In reaction, governments try to disempower the individuals. They impose gun laws, weapons bans, and develop larger and more sophisticated techniques of control — such as the ominpresent cameras and the deliberate dumbing down of the bulk of the population. Dumb people are easier to trick and rule. Governments can get away with false-flag ops, like 9/11.
Who called Professor X dumb? Go read the early posts of the thread. Zap noted the irony of guys like Jlesk and Jeffdirect complaining that other people were “dumb”. That is ironic - and funny.[/quote]
Yeah, go read the early posts and show us where Jlesk and me treat other people of dumb.
Dumb people don’t divert attention from the real issues, offuscate the posters, quote out of context, or just plain ignore the facts.
They don’t hang on with the ever same silly arguments and insults on legitimate threads;they just go on another dumb leisure. No, these are the actions of disinformants/ paid intellectual prostitutes, which you belong to.
Not just to track but to listen even if it’s off!!![/quote]
Did anyone see the news video of the 2 women who are being terrorized because someone hacked into their cellphone? They claim this person has access to their cell phonebook, can hear and record them when the phone is off. I never heard the outcome of this and what was found out about it. Last I heard the Dept. of Homeland Security was looking into this.
what i like is that everyone thinks there life is so great that the goverment truely gives a crap about them.
soon every one will work 12 hours a day half the world will work during days other half at night so everyone one can be watched at all times odd man out is just shoot.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I didn’t think I was fear mongering, just observing facts. Science empowers individuals and one of the powers it gives is the capacity for violence. A person with an IED or just an AK-47 is way more empowered than a guy with a spear.[/quote]
A shaman or some such figure was stronger than one with a spear, nothing has changed but the means. Everyone in Canda has a hunting rifle yet there’s not much murder going on. Just having the ability doesn’t mean squat. I can walk into a restaurant, pick up a fork and manage to kill a few people before they all run off. There’s always ability to do evil, but within a society a gun really isn’t much power because there are obviously consequences which most people would take into account. But in a large heaving bureaucracy the use of power goes unpunished, which is why IT should be watched with thousands of cameras.
Ghettos go unpoliced is not because it’s impossible to police but because nobody wants to take the time and resources to do it. As far as nations defying the US…good. All we’ve been doing is defying other nations so I’m not sure what exactly is surprising here.
[quote]
In reaction, governments try to disempower the individuals. They impose gun laws, weapons bans, and develop larger and more sophisticated techniques of control — such as the ominpresent cameras and the deliberate dumbing down of the bulk of the population. Dumb people are easier to trick and rule. Governments can get away with false-flag ops, like 9/11.
It really is all perfectly logical.[/quote]
I’m not sure what’s the point you’re making but your previous point - that absolute tyranny is the logical outcome of science - is just as false to me now as it was before reading this post.
Tyranny is a problem of government, not science. Governments were tyrannic all the time throughout history and still are. But they’re in a cage that became a whole lot smaller over the last century. This is obvious simply by observing what desperate and bold attempts they’re making to cling on to their power. And desperate means are usually administered in desperate situation. They know that the more educated and healthy a people becomes, the less leeway power-hungry piggies can get away with.
Yeah, go read the early posts and show us where Jlesk and me treat other people of dumb.
Dumb people don’t divert attention from the real issues, offuscate the posters, quote out of context, or just plain ignore the facts.
They don’t hang on with the ever same silly arguments and insults on legitimate threads;they just go on another dumb leisure. No, these are the actions of disinformants/ paid intellectual prostitutes, which you belong to.
Don’t confuse between the two, bro.
( ha ha ha; now i’m the one laughing)[/quote]
Dumb people don’t misspell “weasel” while trying to point out that other people are dumb.
That was where the laughter came from. Basic reading comprehension - see Zap’s post.
Oh, and I had no idea I was a paid intellectual prostitute - someone owes me some money, I just have to figure out who and how much. Awesome news.