[quote]pushharder wrote:
It’s really weird why we don’t have crime sprees like that where I’m from. Probably something to do with nobody having knives, I guess.[/quote]
Wanna invade England?
Bring back capital punishment!
Public hangings in the street, and death by firing squad.
Lets seee how many stabbings there are when the little shits see that!
LR
[quote]pushharder wrote:
It’s really weird why we don’t have crime sprees like that where I’m from. Probably something to do with nobody having knives, I guess.[/quote]
Shhhhh…Don’t tell the Brits that gun control NEVER works…They’ll catch on eventually.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
That’s sad, and pathetic. Britain is a Liberal Nanny state, and the fundamental flaw I’ve always seen in liberalism is the belief that people are inherently good.
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Really? I’ve always thought liberalism premised on the assumption that people are foolish and unintelligent. To me that suggests the opposite of belief in inherent goodness.
Edit: I just read the rest of the thread (it’s not my habit to skip stuff or skim so egregiously). Why, if you’re talking about classical liberalism, did you link it to the nanny state?
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
That’s sad, and pathetic. Britain is a Liberal Nanny state, and the fundamental flaw I’ve always seen in liberalism is the belief that people are inherently good.
Really? I’ve always thought liberalism premised on the assumption that people are foolish and unintelligent. To me that suggests the opposite of belief in inherent goodness.
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When liberals talk about issues like gun control, and self defense, they seem to believe that people don’t kill people, guns kill people, and if we just took away all of the guns there would be no murders, no armed robberies.
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Edit: I just read the rest of the thread (it’s not my habit to skip stuff or skim so egregiously). Why, if you’re talking about classical liberalism, did you link it to the nanny state?[/quote]
Makivelli was talking about classical liberalism, when he said that people should be free to do whatever they want. I was talking about modern liberalism and the nanny state, and tried to differentiate between the two
There’s plenty of threads about liberalism and such, so lets not derail the thread too much.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
It’s really weird why we don’t have crime sprees like that where I’m from. Probably something to do with nobody having knives, I guess.[/quote]
Lucky… I always get ragged on by lots of my “gun-control” friends here in Canada just because I would want a firearm for home protection and self defense. Pisses me off.
Hopefully that mayor does not get re elected. He could have suggested everyone help out their neighbors MORE, report gangs, check your kids for weapons before they leave the house, travel in pairs. Anything but give up and look the other way.
[quote]Cat Nip wrote:
Hopefully that mayor does not get re elected. He could have suggested everyone help out their neighbors MORE, report gangs, check your kids for weapons before they leave the house, travel in pairs. Anything but give up and look the other way. [/quote]
This is the second idiot in a row to be elected mayor of London. Ken Livingstone was the last one and he was a notorious dhimmi.
It’s strange… I was once beaten up by a mob of young teens in a nice area in Britain. There seems to be a huge mob mentality thing in the UK, with group violence being more prominent.
However, the man actually has a point. If you’re young, alone, and see a brawl, don’t jump in and be a hero; go, get some help (more people or the police) if that’s an option.
In college in Mission Hill (Boston) I was walking down the sidewalk when a young kid ran by me and grabbed a purse from an old lady in front of me. I took off after him (he was about 13) and chased him until… he took a sharp right turn into the projects. There my chase ended. I saw that the lady was ok and helped her call police. Know your limits.
Talking about the death of civilisation; Henley Royal Regatta on Saturday night youths from town invade, literally, what is a well mannered event, if prone to overdoing it on the pimms, with the sole purposes of ruining peoples’ night.
Two cases in point;
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The rowing crew from Sporting Gent, so a foreign crew visiting England, had two of its members stabbed by youths who turned up in a car hurled abuse at them, attacked the crew then drove off. The crews crime; standing in a designated camping field watching fireworks
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The stroke man from Uni of Adelaide and his friend were walking across a bridge when the Aussie guy gets an iron bar across the back of his head. His friend runs after the youth but gives up when he nearly finds himself surrounded.
I think this behaviour is f==knig disgusting although the only solution I can think of is that punishments should be harsher ie sentences to jail without bail and the concept of community service chucked out the window
The BBC’s Mark Easton has brought some figures - and some sanity to this debate:
"[…]Between the years 2002-3 and 2006-7, the number of these children admitted to hospital with knife wounds in England “almost doubled” we are told. From 95 cases to 179. A rise of 88%.
However, over the same period, the numbers of under-16s admitted to hospital with gunshot wounds has gone down from 253 to 181. A fall of 28%.[ the percentage was corrected by Easton]
So, 84 more children were admitted with stab injuries than five years earlier. But 72 fewer children were admitted with gunshot injuries.
If no distinction is made between knife and gun injuries, the headline might read “teen violence stable.[…]”
He continues by analysing regional data and coming up with the observation that the ‘knife culture’ is indeed a very localised ‘gang culture’, mostly based in London, while gun related incidents seem to be concentrated in the Northwest of England.
He also then analyses the new data claimed by the Independent, and pretty much aped by most other news sources, namely that 14,000 people in UK were admitted to hospital with stab wounds last year. Interestingly he is almost the only to point out that only half of that were the result of stabbings, the rest were accidents (that should make you think before you do any DIY).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2008/07/sceptical_of_knife_epidemic.html
Now while the overall perception is that there is a knife crime epidemic, the data indeed seems to suggest an increase but not of the purported epic proportions - and one that is mostly localised, mostly concentrated in areas heavily populated by socially deprived ethnic minorities. I have seldom seen a clearer case for the connection between social exclusion and crime.
For gun crime, Operation Trident conducted by the London Metropolitan Police has been very successful (jailing the perpetrators, redistributing their monies to charity and anti-gun projects), bringing gun crime rates down to the lowest in years (with the overall 6.5% fall of offences in the capital.
What follows from here: stricter gun control is working - at least in London. Knife crime is on the rise, but much more moderately than reported - with an overall balancing out of the murder rates among juveniles.
Now as for Boris Johnson, I can only say that it was an unfortunate event that he was voted into office. He has no experience running a(ny) large organisation and he has just lost his deputy mayor and advisor on youth crime (that’s two in two months in office), who was pretty much the only within his team with any competence on the issue.
Now Boris is known for not hitting the right tone regularly - and I would put the remarks posted by the OP into this realm. Getting involved means rather than stupidly jumping into a violent situation you don’t know and can’t assess: calling for the police, standing up as a witness and abiding by the first rule of first aid, and that is not to endanger yourself when trying to help.
Makkun
[quote]ab_power wrote:
pushharder wrote:
It’s really weird why we don’t have crime sprees like that where I’m from. Probably something to do with nobody having knives, I guess.
Lucky… I always get ragged on by lots of my “gun-control” friends here in Canada just because I would want a firearm for home protection and self defense. Pisses me off. [/quote]
The US murder rate is what, 150% higher than the murder rate in Canada?
Yeah, “lucky!”
And I’m pretty sure you can have firearms in your house. I certainly know enough folks that keep a shotgun over their bed.
It’s also pretty funny that Americans are chiming in about how bad England is getting, when the murder rate in England is like 1/3 of the murder rate in the US.