Circular Saw: Tabitha Babbit, 1812.
Stephanie Kwolek: Kevlar.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
um, the compiler?[/quote]
Grace hopper was her name and she was a rear admiral
Why fake wood?
There’s a pic of me at age three with a hammer in my hand “helping” demolish a wall. When I was 2 my dad let me unscrew the bolts when he changed the tires. Of course I wasn’t of much help, but when I got older and stronger that changed and now it’s clear to me that a lot of my friends were not raised this way.
Do “manly” stuff and let your kid tag along. Let him play a sport.
Why buy fake wood?
By all means train the boys to keep doing low paying manual labour so the girls can fill the office towers as engineers and architects…can’t have anyone think your boy is a pussy!
[quote]kakno wrote:
Why fake wood?
There’s a pic of me at age three with a hammer in my hand “helping” demolish a wall. When I was 2 my dad let me unscrew the bolts when he changed the tires. Of course I wasn’t of much help, but when I got older and stronger that changed and now it’s clear to me that a lot of my friends were not raised this way.
Do “manly” stuff and let your kid tag along. Let him play a sport.
Why buy fake wood?[/quote]
It’s true. Studies have shown the boys who played with fake wood suffered from erectile dysfunction by age 35, while boys who played with real wood were still getting healthy erections well into advanced age… WITHOUT pharmaceuticals.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]kakno wrote:
Why fake wood?
There’s a pic of me at age three with a hammer in my hand “helping” demolish a wall. When I was 2 my dad let me unscrew the bolts when he changed the tires. Of course I wasn’t of much help, but when I got older and stronger that changed and now it’s clear to me that a lot of my friends were not raised this way.
Do “manly” stuff and let your kid tag along. Let him play a sport.
Why buy fake wood?[/quote]
It’s true. Studies have shown the boys who played with fake wood suffered from erectile dysfunction by age 35, while boys who played with real wood were still getting healthy erections well into advanced age… WITHOUT pharmaceuticals.
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However, the girls who used real cake mixes in their easy bake ovens suffered from muffin tops by age 35 while the girls who played with play-doh and plastic cupcakes were still fitting in their pants.
[quote]kakno wrote:
Why fake wood?
There’s a pic of me at age three with a hammer in my hand “helping” demolish a wall. When I was 2 my dad let me unscrew the bolts when he changed the tires. Of course I wasn’t of much help, but when I got older and stronger that changed and now it’s clear to me that a lot of my friends were not raised this way.
Do “manly” stuff and let your kid tag along. Let him play a sport.
Why buy fake wood?[/quote]
I took my kid to the gym with me since age 4. I first had him shooting at five. As soon as my daughter showed some interest in both, i took her also.
Teach both some manly stuff. Girls are still going to like clothes and shoes, and maybe boys won’t to much. But at least a boy will learn something useful, as will a girl.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]kakno wrote:
Why fake wood?
There’s a pic of me at age three with a hammer in my hand “helping” demolish a wall. When I was 2 my dad let me unscrew the bolts when he changed the tires. Of course I wasn’t of much help, but when I got older and stronger that changed and now it’s clear to me that a lot of my friends were not raised this way.
Do “manly” stuff and let your kid tag along. Let him play a sport.
Why buy fake wood?[/quote]
It’s true. Studies have shown the boys who played with fake wood suffered from erectile dysfunction by age 35, while boys who played with real wood were still getting healthy erections well into advanced age… WITHOUT pharmaceuticals.
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However, the girls who used real cake mixes in their easy bake ovens suffered from muffin tops by age 35 while the girls who played with play-doh and plastic cupcakes were still fitting in their pants.[/quote]
LOL! Good previous post too.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]kakno wrote:
Why fake wood?
There’s a pic of me at age three with a hammer in my hand “helping” demolish a wall. When I was 2 my dad let me unscrew the bolts when he changed the tires. Of course I wasn’t of much help, but when I got older and stronger that changed and now it’s clear to me that a lot of my friends were not raised this way.
Do “manly” stuff and let your kid tag along. Let him play a sport.
Why buy fake wood?[/quote]
It’s true. Studies have shown the boys who played with fake wood suffered from erectile dysfunction by age 35, while boys who played with real wood were still getting healthy erections well into advanced age… WITHOUT pharmaceuticals.
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However, the girls who used real cake mixes in their easy bake ovens suffered from muffin tops by age 35 while the girls who played with play-doh and plastic cupcakes were still fitting in their pants.[/quote]
Haha! Nicely done, Deb.
Obviously you had the Play-Doh and plastic cup cakes.
lol
Fake wood so they can use a fake saw and hammer… So they avoid the one little cut. Or <> a splinter! Then the first time they handle real wood and real tools they’ll lack the respect for them and fuck themselves up worse - Brilliant.
As for Deb’s comment up there, I think a BALANCED approach is in order. My son is getting closer to earning his place as an Eagle scout, just moved up to the best “travel soccer team” in the area, plays the violin, sax and guitar, is on the chess team at his school and is competing in a nationwide Rubik’s Cube competition, placed in the top five in his grade for every event in his school’s track and field competition (won the shot put and discus), and his ambition in life is to be a rocket scientist (although he hasn’t decided if he want’s to be on the engineering side or computer side of things… He’s 13.
Growing up, he was happy with a stick and piece of rope in the backyard. They need balance, structured growth opportunities, supervision vs. over protection, strong boundaries, and inspiration. Not fake wood cuz they might get a splinter… The messages parents get these days is just fucking pathetic.
Here in Arlington they have “Meatless Mondays” for school lunches. How systemically fucked up is that?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]kakno wrote:
Why fake wood?
There’s a pic of me at age three with a hammer in my hand “helping” demolish a wall. When I was 2 my dad let me unscrew the bolts when he changed the tires. Of course I wasn’t of much help, but when I got older and stronger that changed and now it’s clear to me that a lot of my friends were not raised this way.
Do “manly” stuff and let your kid tag along. Let him play a sport.
Why buy fake wood?[/quote]
It’s true. Studies have shown the boys who played with fake wood suffered from erectile dysfunction by age 35, while boys who played with real wood were still getting healthy erections well into advanced age… WITHOUT pharmaceuticals.
[/quote]
However, the girls who used real cake mixes in their easy bake ovens suffered from muffin tops by age 35 while the girls who played with play-doh and plastic cupcakes were still fitting in their pants.[/quote]
Haha! Nicely done, Deb.
Obviously you had the Play-Doh and plastic cup cakes.
lol
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lol I had the holly hobby oven with the real mixes but my brother and I ruined it with melted legos when I ran out of mix.
However we learned how to soften up the flat 12ers so we could bend them.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Fake wood so they can use a fake saw and hammer… So they avoid the one little cut. Or <> a splinter! Then the first time they handle real wood and real tools they’ll lack the respect for them and fuck themselves up worse - Brilliant.
As for Deb’s comment up there, I think a BALANCED approach is in order. My son is getting closer to earning his place as an Eagle scout, just moved up to the best “travel soccer team” in the area, plays the violin, sax and guitar, is on the chess team at his school and is competing in a nationwide Rubik’s Cube competition, placed in the top five in his grade for every event in his school’s track and field competition (won the shot put and discus), and his ambition in life is to be a rocket scientist (although he hasn’t decided if he want’s to be on the engineering side or computer side of things… He’s 13.
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I was just being snotty though 
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Fake wood so they can use a fake saw and hammer… So they avoid the one little cut. Or <> a splinter! Then the first time they handle real wood and real tools they’ll lack the respect for them and fuck themselves up worse - Brilliant.
As for Deb’s comment up there, I think a BALANCED approach is in order. My son is getting closer to earning his place as an Eagle scout, just moved up to the best “travel soccer team” in the area, plays the violin, sax and guitar, is on the chess team at his school and is competing in a nationwide Rubik’s Cube competition, placed in the top five in his grade for every event in his school’s track and field competition (won the shot put and discus), and his ambition in life is to be a rocket scientist (although he hasn’t decided if he want’s to be on the engineering side or computer side of things… He’s 13.
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I was just being snotty though ;)[/quote]
You made a fair point! Traditional roles need to be examined and challenged. Having worked “blue collar” before I went “white collar” (to now working at home in my underwear - is that, “no collar”?) I can tell you that the money in blue collar (as long as it is NOT in the south) is better UNLESS you get past middle management or start a business or other “professional” career.
Teaching our children how to THINK is far more important than what they do for a career, IMHO. As long as they are happy and independent, I don’t care what they do.
At times, I felt like I’ve failed as a dad because I didn’t include my son in such “manly” activities.
However, teaching him to read at age 3, and getting him classical piano training at age 4 has done so much in opening him up to do so much on his own. By the time he was 10 he was already doing his own experiments with many different chemicals as well as electronics in our garage.
My wife was very nervous he may get injured, but I assured her hat the dangers were part of his education in safety as well. He did once suffer a chemical burn on his hand (which really impacted him), but my wife was ready with the aloe, which soothed and healed it quite rapidly).
Now at age 18 (high school senior) he has attained college-level knowledge (attained all on his own) on electronics, physics, and chemistry. On top of that, he’s been composing and recording his own music for the past 5-6 years. He doesn’t necessarily fall into gender roles, but his self confidence is unwavering, he doesn’t follow fashion trends, and isn’t a slave to peer pressure.
These things have given me hope for his future, whether he had been a daughter is irrelevant. I feel my wife and I have contributed positively in raising a great human being.
[quote]debraD wrote:
By all means train the boys to keep doing low paying manual labour so the girls can fill the office towers as engineers and architects…can’t have anyone think your boy is a pussy![/quote]
I was just thinking this.
Is it bad if you grew up learning how to make pseudo-napalm out of Styrofoam and gasoline, setting fires whenever and wherever you could, climbing and jumping off of houses and trees, and having neighborhood-wide paintball and airsoft wars?
And now I’m a senior in an MIS program. I’m going into the military after school though, so maybe it kind of makes sense. All I know is that my kid is going to know how to take computers apart, take guns apart, and is going to participate in sports throughout his youth.
[quote]Mettahl wrote:
Is it bad if you grew up learning how to make pseudo-napalm out of Styrofoam and gasoline, setting fires whenever and wherever you could, climbing and jumping off of houses and trees, and having neighborhood-wide paintball and airsoft wars?
And now I’m a senior in an MIS program. I’m going into the military after school though, so maybe it kind of makes sense. All I know is that my kid is going to know how to take computers apart, take guns apart, and is going to participate in sports throughout his youth.[/quote]
As a father of 5 teenagers I will say your kid will have something to say about what he wants to get into. They are individuals also, broad base experiences in life enhances youth but kids will gravitate to things they like to do. I have the jock, the nerd, the artist and they all grew up with the same exposures. I never as a parent tried to put a round peg in a square hole.
[quote]Mettahl wrote:
Is it bad if you grew up learning how to make pseudo-napalm out of Styrofoam and gasoline, setting fires whenever and wherever you could, climbing and jumping off of houses and trees, and having neighborhood-wide paintball and airsoft wars?
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Nope… but you can rest assured that schools, TV, and child counselors will tell you that it is BAD.
Shit… just like at the message in Toy Story 1!
-I loved the movie when I saw it as a kid, saw it recently on YouTube for the nostalgia and it pissed me off at the end 
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Mettahl wrote:
Is it bad if you grew up learning how to make pseudo-napalm out of Styrofoam and gasoline, setting fires whenever and wherever you could, climbing and jumping off of houses and trees, and having neighborhood-wide paintball and airsoft wars?
And now I’m a senior in an MIS program. I’m going into the military after school though, so maybe it kind of makes sense. All I know is that my kid is going to know how to take computers apart, take guns apart, and is going to participate in sports throughout his youth.[/quote]
As a father of 5 teenagers I will say your kid will have something to say about what he wants to get into. They are individuals also, broad base experiences in life enhances youth but kids will gravitate to things they like to do. I have the jock, the nerd, the artist and they all grew up with the same exposures. I never as a parent tried to put a round peg in a square hole.[/quote]
I agree. I’m not saying I’m going to force him to be interested in such things. Just that at a young age, I’d like to be able to do this stuff with my kid, as long as s/he is cool with it. At the same time, they WILL be involved in something active. Whether they want to play soccer, football, run track, martial arts, or play baseball, I don’t really care. I’m going to force them (hopefully I won’t have to if I raise them enjoying these things) to have some sort of exposure to an active lifestyle.