The Dark Side

Pharma
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Yet another question: For those of you who have had noticible sides, around when did they show up? I ask because I am starting to get hopeful that I am gonna get out of this cycle without any. So far no zits, no bloat, no itchy, painful nips; it’s been nothing but increased strength, size, and sense of well being. There has been a very slight tendency toward irritability which I have to be careful not to take out on my wife, but it is nowhere near “roid rage.” I’m not the type of person to lose self-control anyway, but I have noticed it and I can see how somebody who was an asshole could turn into a big asshole on AAS.

Anyway I realize I am only a week in and the TestE has yet to build up in my bloodstream, so I’m not getting my hopes too high just yet. But I would imagine if any dbol sides were gonna show up they would have by now. Am I wrong? Hope not because I still have about 950 pills sitting here :slight_smile:

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Holy crap! Last Monday I weighed in at exactly 200 lbs. Today, one week later, weighing at the same time and under the same conditions, I am 210. I know that such growth is not sustainable (if it were I would be 320 at the end of my cycle!) but the amount I have gained in such a short time floors me. This is not bloat, as I’ve said, so far I detect no side effects whatsoever.

Good stuff!

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Yet another question: For those of you who have had noticible sides, around when did they show up? I ask because I am starting to get hopeful that I am gonna get out of this cycle without any. So far no zits, no bloat, no itchy, painful nips; it’s been nothing but increased strength, size, and sense of well being. There has been a very slight tendency toward irritability which I have to be careful not to take out on my wife, but it is nowhere near “roid rage.” I’m not the type of person to lose self-control anyway, but I have noticed it and I can see how somebody who was an asshole could turn into a big asshole on AAS.

Anyway I realize I am only a week in and the TestE has yet to build up in my bloodstream, so I’m not getting my hopes too high just yet. But I would imagine if any dbol sides were gonna show up they would have by now. Am I wrong? Hope not because I still have about 950 pills sitting here :slight_smile: [/quote]

You’re going to love it when the test really “kicks in”.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Holy crap! Last Monday I weighed in at exactly 200 lbs. Today, one week later, weighing at the same time and under the same conditions, I am 210. I know that such growth is not sustainable (if it were I would be 320 at the end of my cycle!) but the amount I have gained in such a short time floors me. This is not bloat, as I’ve said, so far I detect no side effects whatsoever.

Good stuff![/quote]

Nice. I bet you did a quite a double take on the scale when you first saw that weight.

And for the love of god, don’t go and jinx yourself saying “no side effect whatsoever”!! I am enjoying this thread much to much for it to take a turn for the worst.

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:

Nice. I bet you did a quite a double take on the scale when you first saw that weight.

And for the love of god, don’t go and jinx yourself saying “no side effect whatsoever”!! I am enjoying this thread much to much for it to take a turn for the worst.[/quote]

Heheh. I know, I know. I try not to be too superstitious, though.

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[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:

You’re going to love it when the test really “kicks in”.

[/quote]

I sure hope you mean the good effects and not the bad ones, Jelly Roll!

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A Sample Day’s Eats

9:00 8 whole, large eggs cooked in olive oil. Two pieces of whole grain toast with butter and strawberry jelly. Soak up the extra runny yolk with toast, yum.

10:30 Training

12:00 Surge

12:30 Super Shake (got this idea from Prisoner #22. Different from his, but same idea, thanks!) 40g whey protein powder, about 700ml whole milk, 2 large bananas, 1 large apple, 3-4 tablespoons peanut butter. After all of the workout water and the Surge earlier, drink this and my belly aches for about thirty minutes as I waddle from room to room.

3:30 Still burping up chocolatey-banana-apple-milk, I have: Penne pasta with tons of meat sauce. Broccoli and salad with caesar dressing

5:30 500ml whole milk, 30g whey protein

7:30 Large chicken breast, lightly breaded and simmered in olive oil, covered in a homemade lemon-butter sauce. Broccoli.

10:00 500ml whole milk, 30g chocolate whey protein and Ao-Jiru (powdered veggie green stuff), all mixed together to make a sort of green-brown-muck that actually doesn’t taste nearly as bad as it sounds, though isn’t great, either. 7g fish oil. 1 multi.

That’s it. The 3:30 and 7:30 meals are the only ones that typically change much, but they always contain about the same macronutrient proportions.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Jelly Roll wrote:

You’re going to love it when the test really “kicks in”.

I sure hope you mean the good effects and not the bad ones, Jelly Roll![/quote]

Cortes, Testosterone is ALL good! It looks like you’re doing really well so far, and trust me, it’s just going to get better.

JR

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Hey Cortes-

Really enjoying the play by play of your experiences. I like your descriptions, also, as in “still burping up chocolatey-banana-apple-milk.” Although not the same flavors, I think most of us can relate!!

It didn’t look like anyone answered your question about the sides. I began experiencing serious bloat after injection number six, at the end of week three. And that was at 400mg/week, 200mg every Mon and Fri. I began .25 a’dex ED, but tapered back to E3D, as initially it was too much. I am now back to ED, though, at week nine. No issues thus far with itchy nipples.

Acne also began around the same time frame. Interestingly, though, around week six to seven, acne tapered off, and now there’s virtually none as my body has “adjusted” to the test.

Again, keep the info coming…great thread.

5.0

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Thanks fiveoh1! I guess I’d better not get my hopes up too high, then. Actually, starting yesterday I noticed some tiny bumps on the backs of my shoulders, which are red today, and I assume they are zits from the test. Nothing bad at all, in fact, I doubt anyone but me would even notice them at this point, but we’ll see how they go. Good thing is not a single one on my face. That’s what I’ve been worried about.

Today was a terrific day at the gym. As I said, last time I was able to get up 264 for a few reps and that was the best I had ever done on squats. Well, about a week later, today, I moved to 264 on my second set, got it up 4 times easy and then pushed one more rep out every time for 4 straight sets. Nice. Then I decided I wanted to see what I was capable of, so I threw 284 on there, which I have never in my life done, and, wouldn’t you know it, up it went! New PR, just like that. I love it.

If anyone is wondering why my numbers are so weird, it’s because the increments are in kgs here, not lbs, and I convert for all of your sakes. You are welcome.

After that it was 3 sets of hack squats followed by 3 sets of leg sled, again reracking the weight for about 5 seconds after every set and then pushing 5 more reps out. I was pretty spent after all of this so I decided to push hamstrings to tomorrow when I can give them more attention. I did my customary 6 sets of calves (which are growing, by God!) and called it a (very intense) day.

[quote]fiveoh01 wrote:
Hey Cortes-

Really enjoying the play by play of your experiences. I like your descriptions, also, as in “still burping up chocolatey-banana-apple-milk.” Although not the same flavors, I think most of us can relate!!

It didn’t look like anyone answered your question about the sides. I began experiencing serious bloat after injection number six, at the end of week three. And that was at 400mg/week, 200mg every Mon and Fri. I began .25 a’dex ED, but tapered back to E3D, as initially it was too much. I am now back to ED, though, at week nine. No issues thus far with itchy nipples.

Acne also began around the same time frame. Interestingly, though, around week six to seven, acne tapered off, and now there’s virtually none as my body has “adjusted” to the test.

Again, keep the info coming…great thread.

5.0 [/quote]

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Realizing, of course, everyone’s reaction is different - you may still have nothing to worry about. The concentration of my acne is chest, shoulders, and back. As disheartening as that may sound, it still never rose to the level I had as a greasy teenager, and that was never really that bad. I haven’t had but maybe one on my forehead. Nothing too noticable, and it cleared up as quickly as it came. I’m thankful the weather finally took a turn. That should help as well.

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Here is some advise for you. Don’t do It. There is much more satisfaction out of working harder and getting to the next level naturally.

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[quote]BIGERIC wrote:
Here is some advise for you. Don’t do It. There is much more satisfaction out of working harder and getting to the next level naturally.[/quote]

“advise” should be “advice”, as your intention, I believe, is to employ the noun and not the verb in that sentence. No need to capitalize “It” in the next. In the next, “out of” should read “in” to use that idiom correctly. And we, steroid users, are the ones whose brains are shrinking?

Now, if you would like, BIGERIC, to sit a spell and have a nice long read through the various areas this wonderful forum has to offer, please do so. As it appears we are meant to suffer you, much like an unwanted guest at a party to which he was not invited, we might as well attempt to educate you in the process.

And perhaps you can educate us as well, as you appear to know so much about what is best for us. Tell me why there is more satisfaction in working harder and longer in a less efficient manner to achieve less, as opposed to getting, for the same amount of work: bigger muscles, a leaner, more beautiful body, increased strength, increased confidence and an overall sense of well being. This latter, when executed correctly, with no negative side effects other than a few transient ones.

No, BIGERIC, I think that is just something you and people like yourself say to make yourselves feel better about not doing anything about pulling yourselves out of that mire of mediocrity in which you reside. I’ve been at this game for a long time, buddy. And I sure as hell don’t need you to tell me the “right” way to get to the next level.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
“advise” should be “advice”, as your intention, I believe, is to employ the noun and not the verb in that sentence. No need to capitalize “It” in the next. In the next, “out of” should read “in” to use that idiom correctly. And we, steroid users, are the ones whose brains are shrinking?

Now, if you would like, BIGERIC, to sit a spell and have a nice long read through the various areas this wonderful forum has to offer, please do so. As it appears we are meant to suffer you, much like an unwanted guest at a party to which he was not invited, we might as well attempt to educate you in the process.

And perhaps you can educate us as well, as you appear to know so much about what is best for us. Tell me why there is more satisfaction in working harder and longer in a less efficient manner to achieve less, as opposed to getting, for the same amount of work: bigger muscles, a leaner, more beautiful body, increased strength, increased confidence and an overall sense of well being. This latter, when executed correctly, with no negative side effects other than a few transient ones.

No, BIGERIC, I think that is just something you and people like yourself say to make yourselves feel better about not doing anything about pulling yourselves out of that mire of mediocrity in which you reside. I’ve been at this game for a long time, buddy. And I sure as hell don’t need you to tell me the “right” way to get to the next level.[/quote]

Amen. Succinctly put. Yes, I looked up how to spell “succint” so you wouldn’t yell at me (joking). Okay, no , I did.

Anyway, BIGERIC, this is a log of Cortes’ progress, not a debate on whether to use AAS. Start a new thread, elsewhere. Um, plus, if you hadn’t noticed, he’s already incorporated it into his life. See ya…

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
BIGERIC wrote:
Here is some advise for you. Don’t do It. There is much more satisfaction out of working harder and getting to the next level naturally.

“advise” should be “advice”, as your intention, I believe, is to employ the noun and not the verb in that sentence. No need to capitalize “It” in the next. In the next, “out of” should read “in” to use that idiom correctly. And we, steroid users, are the ones whose brains are shrinking?

Now, if you would like, BIGERIC, to sit a spell and have a nice long read through the various areas this wonderful forum has to offer, please do so. As it appears we are meant to suffer you, much like an unwanted guest at a party to which he was not invited, we might as well attempt to educate you in the process.

And perhaps you can educate us as well, as you appear to know so much about what is best for us. Tell me why there is more satisfaction in working harder and longer in a less efficient manner to achieve less, as opposed to getting, for the same amount of work: bigger muscles, a leaner, more beautiful body, increased strength, increased confidence and an overall sense of well being. This latter, when executed correctly, with no negative side effects other than a few transient ones.

No, BIGERIC, I think that is just something you and people like yourself say to make yourselves feel better about not doing anything about pulling yourselves out of that mire of mediocrity in which you reside. I’ve been at this game for a long time, buddy. And I sure as hell don’t need you to tell me the “right” way to get to the next level.[/quote]

As one of my training partners put it, “Average people are pathetic”.

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[quote]BIGERIC wrote:
Here is some advise for you. Don’t do It. There is much more satisfaction out of working harder and getting to the next level naturally.[/quote]

I’ll bet ERIC isn’t so BIG.

Craig

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An update, though one I would rather not post. That set of heavy (for me) squats was apparently the heavily loaded olympic bar that broke the camel’s back. Yesterday my lower back on the right side was killing me, so I must have tweaked it a good one. Took it easy yesterday and today (i.e. did nothing) and will see how I feel tomorrow. Either way I am going to keep away from squats for at least a week, maybe two. Damnit. I’ll work around it in the meantime and continue to post.

As if that wasn’t enough. On the same day I did the squats, my wife and I apparently cooked and ate some bad meat. In Japan, regular ground beef is really expensive, so they have this bastardized version of mixed beef and pork called “minch” which is probably harvested from eyes, lips and assholes.

I don’t know, but what I have learned is this: if your “minch” goes a little bit brown, don’t think that you can just cook the shit out of it and go merrily on your way. No sir. I’ve never had food poisoning before this, and I assume this was a mild case, because I didn’t have to go to the hospital or anything nor were we vomiting, but oh my GOD did I shit. Or, rather, I pissed out of my asshole for 48 hours.

There was a sort of pyramiding of intensity. The first poop being peculiar and memorable in that I thought, “Wow, this bulking business is crazy. I’ve never had a 5 lb. pooper before.” Never mind that it was a bit soft and strange, gently sibilating at me from the bowl. From there the cramps increased in tandem with the wet viscosity of the bilge sputtering from my chafing butthole. I haven’t been able to weigh myself because I don’t have a scale at the house, but I imagine I set my gains back a week.

I was a trooper, though. I kept on eating big, never mind that it was sliding through my digestive track like a fat man down a waterpark slide. I seem to have stabilized now, finally. There is some solidity returning, but the smell, oh my God the smell. Should I stop now?

I promise I’ll work hard to make this up to you, however it is you want to take that.

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Wow, Cortes. If you’re not a writer, you’re in the wrong business. I, unfortunately, feel like I was right there with you. Bad luck, man, I’m sorry.

I can remember, more than ten years ago, cooking lasagna for this Japanese girl I was dating while stationed over there. Ground beef at the local market back then was ridiculous – I can’t imagine now.

Here’s to a speedy recovery…

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Apply contrast showers to the area and when the swelling/pain stops start rehabbing the area with hypers or get some jumpstretch band and do band good mornings as a warm-up to the area.

Probably not as serious as a low back injury I had a couple of years ago, but IMO better to have an extra strong lower back for prevention than having a glass back. Not that yours is glass. Ohh you get my point.

Keep on lifting hard!

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Cortes, you should start focusing on your lower. Good arms/chest, but it seems you’re neglecting your wheels.