The Culture Wars: The Radical Progressives' Agenda

[ZEB]

[quote]Bambi wrote

ZEB, you cannot link high links of HIV and suicide anxiety and depression together, they do not follow.[/quote]

So very true people who usually suffer from HIV, and high rates of STD’s are usually happy and not at all depressed.

Oh wait…

I’ve seen it first hand so save your liberal drivel for someone who has not been around.

As for “homophobia” I already posted a link to the high degree of depression and suicide among gay males in the Netherlands where homosexuality has been well accepted for decades. And where gay marriage has been in effect for about 10 years.

Most of them are sexually monogomous and are safe, like the majority of heterosexual people so it’s nothing to do with their lifestyle, as you imply. Maybe its different in America.

It has everything to do with their lifestyle as I imply. I’ve seen it first hand and have read study after study. Most young gay males are virtually incapable of commitment. 61% of all new HIV infections are of Gay males. Did this happen while sitting in front of their fireplaces at home with their one committed lover playing checkers by a fire light. Grow up Bambi. It could be that the limited experience that you have with your 3 or 4 gay friends might not be representative of what is really going on.

And I volunteer in a hospice too and a lot of my job at the moment involves working with disabled children so please don’t tell me I’m just making platitudes to equal rights for minorities. No one here is condoning young people getting AIDS/HIV, whatever their sexuality.

You are condoning it by shutting your eyes to the facts. You are not helping them you are and enabler. Someone who sits on the sidelines and cheers them on as they drive off a cliff.

In addition, you don’t have to worry about heterosexuals getting HIV. While it does happen the overwhelming majority of HIV cases are HOMOSEXUAL MEN. P E R I O D!

[quote]What I initially had a problem with was SM’s bigoted stereotype of all gay man soliciting people for sex in toilets. It’s an absoutely foul thing to say.
[/quote]

Yes, I read that,[quote]You’re (and ZEB"s) idea of assless pants wearing homosexuals…[/quote] You conveniently lumped me in with his statements. That was so open minded of you to do such a thing. You’ve proven once again to be a slave to your own stereotypical thoughts of what a conservative is. Just as you are a slave of how you think you should think about homosexuals. Tell me enlightened wonder boy can two people oppose the same thing for two different reasons?

And you couldn’t think of this on your own?

[ZEB]

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
The topic of homosexuals only came up because it was related to discrimination, part of the thread topic. ZEB is either trying to justify discrimination against homosexuals OR direct the discussion in a new direction to promote his anti-gay agenda.[/quote]

Did you notice that after my initial post others including yourself responded? Thus keeping the conversation going.

Did you catch that at all?

Also read my posts with an open mind there is no hate involved. But you actually have to read them and not assume you know everything to catch that.

Liberals are the most closed minded people on the planet and you’ve proven that to be true!

[Bambi]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote

ZEB, you cannot link high links of HIV and suicide anxiety and depression together, they do not follow.[/quote]

So very true people who usually suffer from HIV, and high rates of STD’s are usually happy and not at all depressed.

Oh wait…

I’ve seen it first hand so save your liberal drivel for someone who has not been around.

As for “homophobia” I already posted a link to the high degree of depression and suicide among gay males in the Netherlands where homosexuality has been well accepted for decades. And where gay marriage has been in effect for about 10 years.

Most of them are sexually monogomous and are safe, like the majority of heterosexual people so it’s nothing to do with their lifestyle, as you imply. Maybe its different in America.

It has everything to do with their lifestyle as I imply. I’ve seen it first hand and have read study after study. Most young gay males are virtually incapable of commitment. 61% of all new HIV infections are of Gay males. Did this happen while sitting in front of their fireplaces at home with their one committed lover playing checkers by a fire light. Grow up Bambi. It could be that the limited experience that you have with your 3 or 4 gay friends might not be representative of what is really going on.

And I volunteer in a hospice too and a lot of my job at the moment involves working with disabled children so please don’t tell me I’m just making platitudes to equal rights for minorities. No one here is condoning young people getting AIDS/HIV, whatever their sexuality.

You are condoning it by shutting your eyes to the facts. You are not helping them you are and enabler. Someone who sits on the sidelines and cheers them on as they drive off a cliff.

In addition, you don’t have to worry about heterosexuals getting HIV. While it does happen the overwhelming majority of HIV cases are HOMOSEXUAL MEN. P E R I O D!

[quote]What I initially had a problem with was SM’s bigoted stereotype of all gay man soliciting people for sex in toilets. It’s an absoutely foul thing to say.
[/quote]

Yes, I read that,[quote]You’re (and ZEB"s) idea of assless pants wearing homosexuals…[/quote] You conveniently lumped me in with his statements. That was so open minded of you to do such a thing. You’ve proven once again to be a slave to your own stereotypical thoughts of what a conservative is. Just as you are a slave of how you think you should think about homosexuals. Tell me enlightened wonder boy can two people oppose the same thing for two different reasons?

And you couldn’t think of this on your own?

[/quote]

ZEB

You wrote

I think that when a man builds a lifestyle around trolling for strange men in unseemly places night after night that leads to emotional problems.

That to me is as bad as SM’s post. It’s nothing to do with my personal prejudices. It’s what you wrote a few hours ago.

My experience is not just limited to 3 or 4 friends.

Gay marriage might be allowed in a few European countries but outside the major metropolitan areas, and even in there, there is widespread homophobia. The UK is trying to legalise gay marriage, but a lot of people are opposed to this. Just because the government provide legislation, doesn’t mean it’s always widely accepted. You of all people know the government passes legislation that people, rightly or wrongly, do not agree with.

And you’re making a strawman. I’m not implying that people who are homosexual and have HIV/AIDS are not depressed I’m saying that note everyone who is homosexual and is depressed has HIV/AIDS. Many will have depression due to external factors: treatment by friends/family/employers. That is the point I was making. I have never disputed the HIV point.

[SexMachine]

[quote]Bambi wrote:

No my argument is not with tradition do not deflect it into that. My argument is that prayers here should have no place on a council.

[/quote]

Yes they should.

If people want to make laws based on their christian beliefs as long as a majority agree with it, fine. If councillors are Christian fine. But the whole council, if there are people who are not christian should not be co-opted into a prayer that they might not believe in.

They are not ‘co-opted into a prayer.’ They can sit in silence for a few seconds or stare at the ceiling or play tiddly winks.

You’re (and ZEB"s) idea of assless pants wearing homosexuals looking for sex is NOTHING LIKE how most people who define themselves as homosexual act. If you knew people who were gay, or had ever been to a gay nightclub, you would know this.

Zeb didn’t mentioned seatless trousers, I did. And it was a joke. I didn’t realise it would bring down the PC heavies on me.

[otar]

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
The topic of homosexuals only came up because it was related to discrimination, part of the thread topic. ZEB is either trying to justify discrimination against homosexuals OR direct the discussion in a new direction to promote his anti-gay agenda.[/quote]

I haven’t really seen Zeb say anything anti-homosexual. He has provided statistics showing higher rates of suicide/depression and HIV/AIDS transmission. He has said that this is due to their lifestyle which I’ll agree with for AIDS stuff but not necessarily the depression and he hasn’t said anything about his actual stance on the morality of homosexuality. So while I can’t agree with all the conclusions he has drawn he hasn’t said anything openly hateful and has provided numbers with sources.

[ZEB]

[quote]Bambi wrote:

ZEB

You wrote

I think that when a man builds a lifestyle around trolling for strange men in unseemly places night after night that leads to emotional problems.

That to me is as bad as SM’s post. It’s nothing to do with my personal prejudices. It’s what you wrote a few hours ago.[/quote]

Just because it offends you doesn’t mean that this type of behavior does not exist. It does in fact take place on a regular basis with many young homosexual men. And statistics back me up on this.

Now if you really cared for your gay friends you’d accept this as the truth and use your influence to lead them to less promiscuous behavior. But wait … you just can’t it offends your sensibilities.

Do you really love them? And is love accepting every possible perversity regardless of how dangerous?

[quote]
Gay marriage might be allowed in a few European countries but outside the major metropolitan areas, and even in there, there is widespread homophobia. The UK is trying to legalise gay marriage, but a lot of people are opposed to this. Just because the government provide legislation, doesn’t mean it’s always widely accepted. You of all people know the government passes legislation that people, rightly or wrongly, do not agree with.[/quote]

I also know that homosexuality is in fact accepted in the Netherlands by its people and has been for decades. AND…suicide rates are unchanged. Now why is that again?

Just a coincidence?

That’s what happens when you do not condemn actions that can lead to the death of people you SAY you love.

And you’re making a strawman. I’m not implying that people who are homosexual and have HIV/AIDS are not depressed I’m saying that note everyone who is homosexual and is depressed has HIV/AIDS. Many will have depression due to external factors: treatment by friends/family/employers. That is the point I was making. I have never disputed the HIV point.

I don’t disagree with that and never have. OBVIOUSLY not every gay man acts irresponsible. I merely point out statistics from the CDC as a background for what many young homosexual men do. And in fact because of their promiscuous behavior they contract disease and are in fact depressed.

[ZEB]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Zeb didn’t mentioned seatless trousers, I did. And it was a joke. I didn’t realise it would bring down the PC heavies on me.[/quote]

Joke? Oh man you can’t joke about certain groups it’s not politically correct. Nor can you quote facts that many homosexuals lead dangerous lifestyles. You see when you quote the facts that you hate gay men.

Somehow in the twisted logic of the pc it has become wrong to point out what they are doing wrong even though it may help them. You have to buy into the big lie that they (as a group) are perfectly healthy and happy.

And nothing could be further from the truth - But of course the truth is the first victim when the pc move in.

[Bambi]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote:

ZEB

You wrote

I think that when a man builds a lifestyle around trolling for strange men in unseemly places night after night that leads to emotional problems.

That to me is as bad as SM’s post. It’s nothing to do with my personal prejudices. It’s what you wrote a few hours ago.[/quote]

Just because it offends you doesn’t mean that this type of behavior does not exist. It does in fact take place on a regular basis with many young homosexual men. And statistics back me up on this.

Now if you really cared for your gay friends you’d accept this as the truth and use your influence to lead them to less promiscuous behavior. But wait … you just can’t it offends your sensibilities.

Do you really love them? And is love accepting every possible perversity regardless of how dangerous?

[quote]
Gay marriage might be allowed in a few European countries but outside the major metropolitan areas, and even in there, there is widespread homophobia. The UK is trying to legalise gay marriage, but a lot of people are opposed to this. Just because the government provide legislation, doesn’t mean it’s always widely accepted. You of all people know the government passes legislation that people, rightly or wrongly, do not agree with.[/quote]

I also know that homosexuality is in fact accepted in the Netherlands by its people and has been for decades. AND…suicide rates are unchanged. Now why is that again?

Just a coincidence?

That’s what happens when you do not condemn actions that can lead to the death of people you SAY you love.

And you’re making a strawman. I’m not implying that people who are homosexual and have HIV/AIDS are not depressed I’m saying that note everyone who is homosexual and is depressed has HIV/AIDS. Many will have depression due to external factors: treatment by friends/family/employers. That is the point I was making. I have never disputed the HIV point.

I don’t disagree with that and never have. OBVIOUSLY not every gay man acts irresponsible. I merely point out statistics from the CDC as a background for what many young homosexual men do. And in fact because of their promiscuous behavior they contract disease and are in fact depressed.[/quote]

ZEB,

If you think it is just PC liberal outrage for why I found your joke offensive, then I have nothing more here to say to you

[Gambit_Lost]

I’m sorry, but a “homosexuality” thread cannot go on in PWI without forlife.

You should all stop now until he returns.

Actually, you should all just stop. Eh.

[ZEB]

[quote]Bambi wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote:

ZEB

You wrote

I think that when a man builds a lifestyle around trolling for strange men in unseemly places night after night that leads to emotional problems.

That to me is as bad as SM’s post. It’s nothing to do with my personal prejudices. It’s what you wrote a few hours ago.[/quote]

Just because it offends you doesn’t mean that this type of behavior does not exist. It does in fact take place on a regular basis with many young homosexual men. And statistics back me up on this.

Now if you really cared for your gay friends you’d accept this as the truth and use your influence to lead them to less promiscuous behavior. But wait … you just can’t it offends your sensibilities.

Do you really love them? And is love accepting every possible perversity regardless of how dangerous?

Gay marriage might be allowed in a few European countries but outside the major metropolitan areas, and even in there, there is widespread homophobia. The UK is trying to legalise gay marriage, but a lot of people are opposed to this. Just because the government provide legislation, doesn’t mean it’s always widely accepted. You of all people know the government passes legislation that people, rightly or wrongly, do not agree with.[/quote]

I also know that homosexuality is in fact accepted in the Netherlands by its people and has been for decades. AND…suicide rates are unchanged. Now why is that again?

Just a coincidence?

That’s what happens when you do not condemn actions that can lead to the death of people you SAY you love.

And you’re making a strawman. I’m not implying that people who are homosexual and have HIV/AIDS are not depressed I’m saying that note everyone who is homosexual and is depressed has HIV/AIDS. Many will have depression due to external factors: treatment by friends/family/employers. That is the point I was making. I have never disputed the HIV point.

I don’t disagree with that and never have. OBVIOUSLY not every gay man acts irresponsible. I merely point out statistics from the CDC as a background for what many young homosexual men do. And in fact because of their promiscuous behavior they contract disease and are in fact depressed.[/quote]

ZEB,

If you think it is just PC liberal outrage for why I found your joke offensive, then I have nothing more here to say to you

Yeah, that’s exactly what it is. From you and the other poster who accused me of hating gay men. It’s absolutely insulting and outrageous!

I quoted a few statistics and never once used a hateful term. Nor did I say ALL gay men are promiscuous. You guys just can’t wait to jump on the pc train.

I wonder what it must be like to go through life not being able to even think certain thoughts. It makes me thankful that I grew up in a time when free speech was actually valued and that pointing ways to help people help themselves wasn’t considered “hateful.”

If you have nothing more to say on the topic that’s fine with me.

[therajraj]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
ZEB is probably one of the few people I would have a problem with face to face on this site. For all the disagreements I have with the so-called conservatives, the majority of them are good people when it comes down to it. At the end of the day, I would happily buy a round for most of them.

Not ZEB.

ZEB, your supposed age grants you nothing, your willful misinterpreting of posts makes you a fool.

No one has denied the 61% statistic, they are denying what YOU have labeled the cause. You are as bad as the celebrities who preach messages of ignorance about vaccines and homeopathic medicine from a platform of fear and ignorance.[/quote]

You wouldn’t have a beer with me? Oh no what will I ever do?

As to the facts (ouch you hate those things) my assertion was that over all homosexuals are their own worst enemy because of the poor choices that they make. When asked to post evidence I posted statistics from the CDC to demonstrate my point. That more than half of all new HIV cases in the US are from homosexuals is a staggering statistics. Especially considering that gay men are at most a population of 4%. And this clearly demonstrates that many homosexual men (certainly not all and never said all) are making poor choices.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/fastfacts-msm-final508comp.pdf

[/quote]

So then you would agree that it’s important to educate youth about contraception and safe sex practices?

[ZEB]

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
ZEB is probably one of the few people I would have a problem with face to face on this site. For all the disagreements I have with the so-called conservatives, the majority of them are good people when it comes down to it. At the end of the day, I would happily buy a round for most of them.

Not ZEB.

ZEB, your supposed age grants you nothing, your willful misinterpreting of posts makes you a fool.

No one has denied the 61% statistic, they are denying what YOU have labeled the cause. You are as bad as the celebrities who preach messages of ignorance about vaccines and homeopathic medicine from a platform of fear and ignorance.[/quote]

You wouldn’t have a beer with me? Oh no what will I ever do?

As to the facts (ouch you hate those things) my assertion was that over all homosexuals are their own worst enemy because of the poor choices that they make. When asked to post evidence I posted statistics from the CDC to demonstrate my point. That more than half of all new HIV cases in the US are from homosexuals is a staggering statistics. Especially considering that gay men are at most a population of 4%. And this clearly demonstrates that many homosexual men (certainly not all and never said all) are making poor choices.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/fastfacts-msm-final508comp.pdf

[/quote]

So then you would agree that it’s important to educate youth about contraception and safe sex practices?[/quote]

YES!

And you would agree that it’s time to stop lying to the public about the rate of disease and poor mental health that a good portion of homosexual men suffer from?

[therajraj]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

YES![/quote]

OK. Some here are very against sex education.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

And you would agree that it’s time to stop lying to the public about the rate of disease and poor mental health that a good portion of homosexual men suffer from?[/quote]

Sure, facts are facts. People should live in reality.

[sufiandy]

Do you support gay marriage too? It might encourage monogamy and reduce some of the negatives you pointed out from the CDC.

[SexMachine]

'After a Vanderbilt University’s Christian fraternity asked several gay students to leave, the university has decided to enforce a non-discriminatory policy which was on the books but not used. They have defined it broadly and it appears to discriminate against Christians.

They have ordered all organizations on campus to open leadership positions to all students, regardless of whether or not they practice the religion or even know anything about it.

Under Vanderbilt’s leadership rule…a Christian organization could have an Atheist leading their group.

Vanderbilt Catholic, the largest organization on campus will not comply, must leave the campus, and change its name. It is the largest organization on campus, offering Masses and many services to its students.

The following is the response from Vanderbilt Catholic -

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE March 26, 2012

Vanderbilt Catholic Will Not Comply with Vanderbilt University’s Mandate

Vanderbilt Catholic announced to its members on Sunday that they will not re-register as a student organization at Vanderbilt University for the Fall Semester 2012.

According to Fr. John Sims Baker, Chaplain of Vanderbilt Catholic, “The discriminatory non-discrimination policy at Vanderbilt University has forced our hand.”

Student organizations must re-register in April and affirm that they will abide by the controversial non-discrimination policy, explained Fr. Baker. “The Administration is forcing religious groups to open leadership positions to all students, regardless of whether or not they practice the religion or even know anything about it,” he said.

“How could we sign such an agreement?” Fr. Baker asks. “Our purpose has always been to share the Gospel and proudly to proclaim our Catholic faith. What other reason could there be for a Catholic organization at Vanderbilt? How can we say it is not important that a Catholic lead a Catholic organization?”

Student members of Vanderbilt Catholic received a letter on Saturday, signed by five leaders of the Vanderbilt Catholic Student Board, stating:

After much reflection, discussion, and prayer, we have decided that Vanderbilt+Catholic cannot in good conscience affirm that we comply with this policy. While organizational skills and leadership abilities are important qualifications for leaders of Vanderbilt+Catholic, the primary qualification for leadership is Catholic faith and practice. We are a faith-based organization. A Catholic student organization led by someone who neither professes the Catholic faith nor strives to live it out would not be able to serve its members as an authentically Catholic organization. We cannot sign the affirmation form because to do so would be to lie to the university and to ourselves about who we are as an organization.

While this policy may change our status as a registered student organization, it will not change our mission. We will continue to serve the Vanderbilt community as a welcoming and faithful Catholic campus ministry, proposing Jesus Christ in all that we do.

Fr. Baker says that Vanderbilt Catholic will re-organize. With Bishop Choby’s complete support, we will continue to serve the students of Vanderbilt as an independent ministry. We are going to open our doors wider in order to make a greater effort to reach out to all Vanderbilt students and all college students in Nashville.

In a recent email to Fr. Baker, Belmont’s Vice President of Spiritual Development, Dr. Todd Lake, said: “Know that you always have a home here,”

“It has become quite clear to the Vanderbilt Catholic students that we either stand for something or fall for anything,” said Fr. Baker. “We choose to stand for Jesus Christ, and we expect that our leadership do the same.”’

[SexMachine]

[quote]Bambi wrote:
…bigoted stereotype…absoutely foul thing to say.
[/quote]

‘There is a God; and He is wise; and this world is His design; and man and the state are God’s creations. Such is Burke’s philosophical fundamental. These were ideas accepted without question in most ages, but obscured by the vanity of the eighteenth century. How is God’s purpose revealed? Through the unrolling of history. And how do we know God’s mind and will? Through the prejudices and traditions which millenniums of human experience with divine judgments have implanted in the mind of the race. What is our purpose in this world? Not to indulge our impulse, but to render our obedience to divine intent.’ - Russell Kirk

'You see, Sir, that in this enlightened age I am bold enough to confess, that we are generally men of untaught feelings; that instead of casting away all our old prejudices, we cherish them to a very considerable degree, and, to take more shame to ourselves, we cherish them because they are prejudices; and the longer they have lasted, and the more generally they have prevailed, the more we cherish them. We are afraid to put men to live and trade each on his own private stock of reason; because we suspect that this stock in each man is small, and that the individuals would be better to avail themselves of the general bank and capital of nations, and of ages. Many of our men of speculation, instead of exploding general prejudices, employ their sagacity to discover the latent wisdom which prevails in them. If they find what they seek, and they seldom fail, they think it more wise to continue the prejudice, with the reason involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice, and to leave nothing but the naked reason; because prejudice, with its reason, has a motive to give action to that reason, and an affection which will give it permanence. Prejudice is of ready application in the emergency; it previously engages the mind in a steady course of wisdom and virtue, and does not leave the man hesitating in the moment of decision, sceptical, puzzled, and unresolved. Prejudice renders a man’s virtue his habit; and not a series of unconnected acts. Through just prejudice, his duty becomes a part of his nature.

Your literary men, and your politicians, and so do the whole clan of the enlightened among us, essentially differ in these points. They have no respect for the wisdom of others; but they pay it off by a very full measure of confidence in their own. With them it is a sufficient motive to destroy an old scheme of things, because it is an old one. As to the new, they are in no sort of fear with regard to the duration of a building run up in haste; because duration is no object to those who think little or nothing has been done before their time, and who place all their hopes in discovery. They conceive, very systematically, that all things which give perpetuity are mischievous, and therefore they are at inexpiable war with all establishments. They think that government may vary like modes of dress, and with as little ill effect: that there needs no principle of attachment, except a sense of present conveniency, to any constitution of the state. They always speak as if they were of opinion that there is a singular species of compact between them and their magistrates, which binds the magistrate, but which has nothing reciprocal in it, but that the majesty of the people has a right to dissolve it without any reason, but its will. Their attachment to their country itself, is only so far as it agrees with some of their fleeting projects; it begins and ends with that scheme of polity which falls in with their momentary opinion.’ - Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France

[SexMachine]

[quote]therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.

[/quote]

Who? And do you mean the free “fisting kit,” penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the “this is how mums and dads make babies” kind of sex ed?

[Bambi]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.

[/quote]

Who? And do you mean the free “fisting kit,” penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the “this is how mums and dads make babies” kind of sex ed?[/quote]

No “this is how to have safe sex and not get STDs” type of contraceptive advice. It’s totally necessary

[SexMachine]

[quote]Bambi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.

[/quote]

Who? And do you mean the free “fisting kit,” penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the “this is how mums and dads make babies” kind of sex ed?[/quote]

No “this is how to have safe sex and not get STDs” type of contraceptive advice. It’s totally necessary

[/quote]

Look at it this way. If junior is given federally administered fisting kits and putting condoms on bananas with his mouth, in a non-judgemental, rainbow-like atmosphere of jollyness and celebration then junior is going to have problems. This isn’t Oscar Wilde behind bars. This is transgender Harry in the nursery with the federal fisting kits. And Maoist Mary discretely diverting half the primary school girls to abortion clinics or for STD treatment after radicalising them first.

[Bambi]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.

[/quote]

Who? And do you mean the free “fisting kit,” penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the “this is how mums and dads make babies” kind of sex ed?[/quote]

No “this is how to have safe sex and not get STDs” type of contraceptive advice. It’s totally necessary

[/quote]

Look at it this way. If junior is given federally administered fisting kits and putting condoms on bananas with his mouth, in a non-judgemental, rainbow-like atmosphere of jollyness and celebration then junior is going to have problems. This isn’t Oscar Wilde behind bars. This is transgender Harry in the nursery with the federal fisting kits. And Maoist Mary discretely diverting half the primary school girls to abortion clinics or for STD treatment after radicalising them first.[/quote]

How does that follow on from what I said?

I feel we are reading from different scripts