[quote]Professor X wrote:
If you hardly went to class and barely fucking graduated, why do you think you DESERVE anything?[/quote]
Well, they deserve something, but it ain’t a dream job.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
If you hardly went to class and barely fucking graduated, why do you think you DESERVE anything?[/quote]
Well, they deserve something, but it ain’t a dream job.[/quote]
LOL.
I think it just bugs me because I know how hard I worked and I know what I had to sacrifice to do it. However, I have friends who literally fucked around all of the way through school and are now jobless…and the truth is, it really isn’t anyone else’s fault but their own if they are collecting unemployment for two years.
I think it is just now hitting many of those students that the rest of their life will be based on how they just did over 4 or 5 years in school unless they start their own business.
That means all of those parties that were really cool to attend aren’t so cool if you now have to get kicked out of your house and go without a job because Tina’s tits were way more important than that Biology exam.
I’m graduating from university in 9 months and feel the whole experience has been wasted. I’ve changed majors 3 times and will graduate with an A- average. I have ended up with a broad degree (Communications which is an Arts Major) with zero experience in the direct field.
Rather than working an 11 dollar an hour starting job I decided to enter the service industry instead. 25+ an hour is just far more tempting at this point, even though it lacks long term stability of the government or agency. Basically what it has come down to is, I sleep through this degree and get A’s and learn little to nothing useful. ALL my degree does is demonstrate reading comprehension and some statistical knowledge.
Given the fact my degree has been useless I doubt I will work in the field. At this point the only potential benefit I see in it is a foot in the door technique, if I decide not to pursue an entreprenurial path. “Oh well he has a university degree, he can’t be retarted.” Then it’s up to me in the interview; the degree won’t GET me anything.
Sure I’m graduating with a general degree with no infield experience.
But I’m also graduating Cum Laude in a Honours Specialization with 3 years of full time work experience.
The degree has just become spin, 20000 dollar piece of paper.
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
I’m graduating from university in 9 months and feel the whole experience has been wasted. I’ve changed majors 3 times and will graduate with an A- average. I have ended up with a broad degree (Communications which is an Arts Major) with zero experience in the direct field.
Rather than working an 11 dollar an hour starting job I decided to enter the service industry instead. 25+ an hour is just far more tempting at this point, even though it lacks long term stability of the government or agency. Basically what it has come down to is, I sleep through this degree and get A’s and learn little to nothing useful. ALL my degree does is demonstrate reading comprehension and some statistical knowledge.
Given the fact my degree has been useless I doubt I will work in the field. At this point the only potential benefit I see in it is a foot in the door technique, if I decide not to pursue an entreprenurial path. “Oh well he has a university degree, he can’t be retarted.” Then it’s up to me in the interview; the degree won’t GET me anything.
Sure I’m graduating with a general degree with no infield experience.
But I’m also graduating Cum Laude in a Honours Specialization with 3 years of full time work experience.
The degree has just become spin, 20000 dollar piece of paper.[/quote]
…then why would you choose a field with so little potential?
A 4.0 GPA doesn’t look so hot if you majored in underwater basket weaving. A 3.2 in a major like biochemistry is more impressive.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Agreed. I chose my profession because there will ALWAYS be a need for doctors of all specialties. I like what I do but it isn’t a LOVE or passion like I have for weight lifting and even personal training…but life isn’t about receiving every damn thing you want. It simply does NOT work that way.
If you want to be successful, you have to take some good with some bad. Don’t do something you HATE, but this mentality like everyone deserves a fucking dream job is bullshit.
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This. Exactly this.
I’ve taken random classes in undergrad that I loved and probably would have loved to major in but at the end of the day, what would I do with a degree in drawing?? I ended up majoring in bio and there were classes I loved and ones I hated but it opened up the door for me to get into medicine, so I have no complaints. The medical field, while I do like it, is far from a perfect/dream job but it will let me live a decent life. So I’ll put up with the sacrifices and struggles to attain that.
Maybe not everyone’s cut out for college? I don’t see why more 18 year olds aren’t going into trades. I think everyone wants to go to college, party for 4 years, and then instantly get a job making 60K. What’s wrong with learning a trade? I’ve got a friend who’s a mechanic for Infinity making close to 6 figures. He went to Lincoln Tech to fix cars and spent less on his education than I did.
I went to college for Comp Sci because I was good with computers and back then Chubb and other tech schools weren’t respected yet. I chose a field I was talented in, not one that I loved. But not one that I hated either. Even then I took a year after high school to be sure. Working in a hot kitchen made me very sure lol. Most of the kids I partied with in college just drifted and had no real plan. What a waste of time and money.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Maybe not everyone’s cut out for college? I don’t see why more 18 year olds aren’t going into trades. I think everyone wants to go to college, party for 4 years, and then instantly get a job making 60K. What’s wrong with learning a trade? [/quote]
This is what I did. Got out of HS, joined the USAF, learned to fix airplanes, and learned what I wanted to do. Hardly any 18 year old has any actual idea what they want to do in college, other than party. They would all be better off spending a few years serving their country, or working a real job and figuring out what they want out of life.
For me, I will have my BS in Mechanical Engineering next year. And we have companies like Exxon Mobile, General Electric (who I intern for now), NASA, etc. come to our engineering school constantly recruiting people for jobs/internships/co-ops. So, it definately pays to put in the hard work to get a meaningful degree.
Hell, I work as a intern with GE Aviation manufacturing light weight composite components for jet engines, and they pay me very well, and I dont even have my degree yet. In fact, I would venture to say I make more money as an intern than most will make with a degree in the majority of other majors (excluding science and technology majors).
However, I know people at my gym who have graduated (business, pyschology)and cant find work, anywhere.
Also, when I comes to money, its seems the government is trying to put money into STEM degrees (science, technology, engineering and mathematics). For example, I get a grant each year just for being a engineering student and having a 3.0+, and it is a pretty nice amount of money.
Im just planning on with prior military experience, 3.8+ GPA in Mechanical Engineering, and my summer internships, I will be a shoe in for the job of my choice when I graduate in a year.
Fingers crossed.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Maybe not everyone’s cut out for college? I don’t see why more 18 year olds aren’t going into trades. I think everyone wants to go to college, party for 4 years, and then instantly get a job making 60K. What’s wrong with learning a trade? I’ve got a friend who’s a mechanic for Infinity making close to 6 figures. He went to Lincoln Tech to fix cars and spent less on his education than I did.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with going into a trade. For some reason, there is a negative stigma attached to trades jobs. Where I live, taking up a trade will propel you straight into the upper-middle class as far as earnings go. University grads, excluding the professions, cannot even come close to earning what a journeyman will after 4 years of schooling. Sure, your work environment might not be an air-conditioned office, but who cares. For me, work is simply a means to fund my other true passions (which wouldn’t be profitable at all).
[quote]SickAbs wrote:
Can you put it all on the kids though? For the money spent on furthering our education shouldnt colleges actively try to seek out companies to partner with to give the kids internships? [/quote]
This is exactly how I got my internship. My dean of engineering has a few people on his staff that only do this. They get the info, send it to the engineering majors via email, and we take it from there.
Fuck me. I’m graduating in one month. This semester I’ve interviewd for 4 internships. Last year I interviewd for 3. Out of those I have had 2 office interviews. My last interview was done over the phone! That was a little over a week ago. I’m really shooting for this one because it would be a great launch pad into other things (although I didn’t tell them that).
It’s true though. No one is hiring, and most of the very little interviews I’ve been able to get are for jobs that really don’t pertain to my major.
The only work I’ve been able to get during school was temp work, and I don’t even want to go into that shit…
Fortunately I have saved a little cushion of money to live on for a while, so I won’t be hurting too much if my job hunt takes a few months. Fuck that was smart of me. pats self on the back
But the situation in Michgan is dire. It’s fucking pathetic, even the professors are urging students to leave Michigan and try to find work anywhere else. I thought about just packing up and leaving altogether as soon as I graduate, but that would just be stupid I think.
Oh well. I’ve never filed for unemployment. I hear it’s a pretty sweet deal!
[quote]LeanCarlosBrown wrote:
Not I. I’m a civilian contractor in Iraq. All I have is a High School Diploma and I’ve been making six figures for the past 5 years. I know that I’m lucky and fortunate to have this job. And I’m actually scared as all hell to come home and look for a job without an education. And when I read articles like yours, Headhunter, it scares me even more to go back to school.
I’ve developed working skills as a Logistician and that’s what I’m good at and what I’m going to stick to. Now, I just have to market myself very well since I have the knowledge and experience to run a warehouse, without a college education.
It’s looks and sound shitty, and I know it must be miserable for my fellow educated Americans back in ‘The World’ as we call it here, that they’re educated, and can’t find a job in which they went to a university and learned it’s function. Life’s a bitch, and then you feel shitted on. I wish the best of luck to everyone out there that’s unemployed, or working a job that they’re over-qualified for. Keep your spirits up.[/quote]
Schooling does not equal Education. Smart employers recognize that. That is why you will find it easier to find a job than somebody with a degree (schooling) but no real education.
[quote]power_bulker wrote:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with going into a trade. For some reason, there is a negative stigma attached to trades jobs. Where I live, taking up a trade will propel you straight into the upper-middle class as far as earnings go. University grads, excluding the professions, cannot even come close to earning what a journeyman will after 4 years of schooling. Sure, your work environment might not be an air-conditioned office, but who cares. For me, work is simply a means to fund my other true passions (which wouldn’t be profitable at all).
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I don’t get it. I know a few guys who earn 6 figures that didn’t go to college.
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One guy works for PSEG, the utility company in NJ. Makes over 100K after overtime. No college.
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My old manager who is a network engineer. No college degree. Makes about 110K at his new job. I took his position here.
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Infinity mechanic. Went to Linclon tech. He makes about 90K.
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Another guy who went to one of the culinary schools in Manhattan. Worked as a chef, opened a deli/catering service 100K +.
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My best friend is Project Manager for a company that builds cell phone towers. 90-100K. High school drop out.
There’s a bunch of others. As a matter of fact, I’m one of the only guys I grew up with that went to college. And everyone else is doing just fine. Only difference, is that my job has better perks and not as strenuous although at times more stressful.
Kids grow up being indoctrinated into thinking a degree is am automatic way to get a good job. You don’t need a degree for life. Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard (hr got an honorary degree in 07), but is worth around $50 billion. A degree didn’t matter in his pursuit, it took hard work and tenacity, not 4-7 years drinking and getting laid.
[quote]Lordcliff wrote:
Kids grow up being indoctrinated into thinking a degree is am automatic way to get a good job. You don’t need a degree for life. Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard (hr got an honorary degree in 07), but is worth around $50 billion. A degree didn’t matter in his pursuit, it took hard work and tenacity, not 4-7 years drinking and getting laid.[/quote]
Sorry to tell ya this but Bill Gates is an exception(al person). I worked for a guy names Bob Madonna who’s a billionaire who sold his first circuit board which he built out of his closet. He’s also an exception. They had the knowledge and knew how to APPLY it. They had good ideas that worked. Know how many people think they have a good idea that are shit? Me neither but I’m sure it’s a helluva lot more people than two.
However, your general message of hard work and tenacity as opposed to drinking and getting laid is spot on.
Almost all my friends got the jobs they wanted (or med school, law school, grad school.) Then again, most of the people I know well work hard: if they’re in science they’ve been published, they did internships, that sort of thing.
The exception has been people who want to work in public policy or NGO’s, or journalism. Newspapers are in trouble, so are nonprofits of any kind, given the recession, and the federal government is actually cutting jobs this year, and relying very heavily on people with previous experience. My policy-wonk friends have been in an endless miserable job-hunt since September.
Also: going into a trade can pay very well compared to some white-collar stuff. If you’re a master plumber or carpenter, you probably make as much as I ever will. But I don’t know very much about it firsthand.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
If you hardly went to class and barely fucking graduated, why do you think you DESERVE anything?[/quote]
Well, they deserve something, but it ain’t a dream job.[/quote]
LOL.
I think it just bugs me because I know how hard I worked and I know what I had to sacrifice to do it. However, I have friends who literally fucked around all of the way through school and are now jobless…and the truth is, it really isn’t anyone else’s fault but their own if they are collecting unemployment for two years.
I think it is just now hitting many of those students that the rest of their life will be based on how they just did over 4 or 5 years in school unless they start their own business.
That means all of those parties that were really cool to attend aren’t so cool if you now have to get kicked out of your house and go without a job because Tina’s tits were way more important than that Biology exam.[/quote]
I feel the same way, people expect to be able to party now when they are young, to much fucken MTV and they think that is what real life is, binge drinking and sex. People just want it all given to them and it drives me up the fucken wall.
I joined the army when I was 18, worked my ass off for them full time and attended class on top of that. Took me 6 years to do my degree (not bad considering I was also working full time) and now I am seeing the benefits as a Capt IC of over 80 pers and over 500 different vehicles. I have had people say oh you just fell into it or you are just born to do that kind of job and I go ape shit on them as they just gloss over all the hard work I almost killed myself doing to get what I have.
We hire straight out of college, or less than a year experience. It is just too fucking hard to dismantle bad habits picked up other places and rebuild someone. Our environment is full tilt full time. I got two hours of sleep last night, and that is known. I was the last one to leave last night. If I hand up something right now with a mistake, balls will be busted into dust. You have to bring your A game every day.
So we chew people up and spit them out, not many can survive here. Interns work well for this, and I have made many a first year staff cry. (Okay only like 4, but whatever.)
Thing is, the partners are HUGE on grades, and 3 years now we get the toolboxes that smoked the exams in school and were 3.7+, but couldn’t apply shit. I had a kid that couldn’t cognitively comprehend mounting and referencing. (This is the equivalent of taking your pants off before you shit. A 9 year old could do it.)
Good grades do not equal an ability to apply anything.
That being said, you would have to be a super-duper star to get on the full-time payroll right now. This economy fucking sucks, and I know we aren’t the only industry hurting. When big four is asking partners with 25 years experience to retire, you know shit is bad. When it is bad for us, you know it is real bad for our clients. (Or at least was last year. Our billings v. collections are lagging indicators)
[quote]polo77j wrote:
Sorry to tell ya this but Bill Gates is an exception(al person). I worked for a guy names Bob Madonna who’s a billionaire who sold his first circuit board which he built out of his closet. He’s also an exception. They had the knowledge and knew how to APPLY it. They had good ideas that worked. Know how many people think they have a good idea that are shit? Me neither but I’m sure it’s a helluva lot more people than two.
However, your general message of hard work and tenacity as opposed to drinking and getting laid is spot on. [/quote]
Well, yeah, Bill Gates is exceptional. I just have a tendency to go to extreme examples to make my points.
Alot of this has to do with the maturity of college kids these days. Im a freshman in a fairly large university and some kids just get by doing absolutely nothing and majoring in bullshit and expect to make 90k out of college because they have a degree in so and so. honestly anyone can go to college get by with a fairly average gpa. the kid thats gonna get the good job out of college is the one that has shit on his resume that impresses his employer. hm military experience, banking internship, active in so and so in his college to further his understanding of the major he chose, or frat boy that has “connectz” i think the whole unemployement thing is bullshit. The U.S. is still one of the most successful nations in the world and my sister graduated about 6 months ago with a degree in Finance and got a job at chase making 50K and thats with out bonuses/ might not be too impressive but shes 21 and expecting to make near 90k per year by the time shes 25… did she get it because she bullshitted her way through school. NO. she got it because while she was majoring in finance she worked her ass of near full time as a bank teller.
I used to work with a guy at a restaurant delivering pizza. Everyone made fun of him for being a “dumbass” and wasting time going to Lincoln Tech. I ran into him a year ago in Germany. He was living in a sweet hotel and driving a BMW for 2 months on the Govt’s dime. He’s a DA civilian that fixes secure communications equipment. I’m sure he’s close to 6 figures by now.
Also, last time I was home I saw most of the other guys we worked with. They were at the same restaurant delivering pizza.