[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< If they are deceivers, they aren’t doing a very good job of it. >>.[/quote]Not for true believers they aren’t. Go ahead n try n rope somebody else in with this chief. It will not work on me. They are liars because their father is the father of lies. They do not mean anything even remotely similar to what THE true church of Jesus Christ means by anything they say which makes perfect sense. Because in that grove of woods in 1820 the “personages” told young Joseph that all the churches were wrong, all their creeds were an abomination and all the professors were corrupt (not bad from memory huh?). So all the churches all the doctrine and all the people went right out the door from the first second of your churches existence. No wonder absolutely nothing you actually believe is, despite what your lying leaders assert, in line with historic Christianity in even the vaguest manner.
Again I say, repent, forsake the bondage of your idols and live free in the one true and living Christ. The eternally begotten Son of the Father, neither dividing the substance nor confusing the persons. Look, I have nothing but compassion for you pal and wish nothing other than you become my brother in Christ and that cannot happen until God, the Holy Spirit frees your mind to see that you have grown up in a lie. It would be unloving and just plain wrong of me not to tell you that. If you ever dared look seriously into your church’s history it would be laughable to you once the heartbreaking realization that most of the people you care about are also living a satanic lie had been brought into subjection to the God who is actually there. I understand this whole deal my friend. You have run into somebody who really does this time. I don’t say any of this to get your goat or to be mean at all. You are the latest in a growing list of people here who just refuse to believe that I have been though all this many times, long before there even was a ubiquitous internet, nevermind this site.
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You think I’m some poor sap who never knew anything else in life, right? Yes, I was raised Mormon. There weren’t many other Mormons in my town growing up. As a young teenager I started drifting away from the church. Eventually I started to think that my parents had good intentions but I just didn’t think the LDS church was right. I stayed away from all religion for a while. Years later when I found out I was going to be a father I decided I needed to figure how he was going to be raised. I did a lot of research. I even read anti-Mormon websites.
I felt an emptiness throughout this process and something kept telling me that something was missing. I decided to give the LDS church another shot. I’m not sure why exactly, I just felt something pulling me that way. I began reading the Book of Mormon, praying, and going to church. Throughout the last decade or so of my return to the church my testimony has grown stronger and stronger. I gained a lot of knowledge; most importantly, that Jesus Christ died for me. He descended below all things. He took on all of our pain and sorrow, and through Him we can be healed through the power of the Atonement. There would be no hope without His grace, mercy, and love.
I feel bad for you. Have you ever listened to or read what the prophet and apostles in our church teach? Go read some of the recent general conference talks.
http://lds.org/general-conference/conferences?lang=eng
They talk of Christ and His Atonement, they speak of repentance, service, charity, the Holy Ghost, and the love of our Heavenly Father. They warn us of Satan and the traps he uses to lead us into sin and away from Christ.
Remember, a house divided against itself cannot stand. How can you claim that Satan is behind our church when we preach for the cause of Christ and against Satan? Your argument is ridiculous. “Ye shall know them by their fruits.”
You can rail against my church all you want. But don’t feel sorry for me. I’m not some sucker who simply never took the time to think that I might be wrong. I came back and remain a member of the LDS church because of what it has done for me. The truth given to me through the power of the Holy Ghost has increased my faith in Jesus Christ and made me a better father, husband, neighbor, and friend; just a better man period.