Lol - I get it.
Not sure you are familiar with my fucked up history, but I was a fat kid with tits and my dad told me I had gynecomastia when I was twelve. So now, I consider myself an expert.
He was obese and got Type II Diabetes at 45 - I’m sixty with 17% body fat.
I guess his parenting skills were on point.
I think you’re right, in that most do low effort, “easy” movements like jumping jacks, then move some pink DBs, then jog in place, etc… They turn it into a low intensity, steady-state cardio workout. But if you see people cycling through hand stand push ups, heavy DB box step ups, hard effort rowing, etc… you’ll see pretty jacked and ripped people that aren’t holding much extra bodyfat.
Unfortunately I missed the helpful days of PX. Even if it was abrasive help. By the time I got here he was doing nothing but derailing nearly every attempt at a discussion about any topic, and essentially turned himself into a eat-moar-hamburgers because genetics meme.
Colluci and Flipcollar were helpful though in their own ways of calling you on your BS and pointing you in a better direction.
EDIT:
That’s a veiled compliment to the current culture that lets threads like these thrive.
Yeah PX at times did have his moments. I think he just went over the top and got too passive aggressive on indviduals who didnt deserve it.
Dont recall him ever admitting he might have been wrong or apologies for anything
Blast from the past. Wonder whatever happened to him and Yogi.
Something I noticed last fall doing the Fiready Plan (which involves jumps, Oly lifts, speed work, throws, sprints, weighted sprints, dragging a sled) was how hard I sucked wind after, say, only five jump squats with 60lbs. I also started running insanely hot during these workouts, like, I turned bright red and poured sweat.
I didn’t notice much in way of extra fat loss, though.
When I’ve done this:
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My weight goes down, but I fall apart and end up looking worse than before.
My bro science theory is that at a certain threshold of steps, your body sheds fat just to makes walking less stressful–at least this has been my experience.
I wonder if how we respond to explosive activity, NEAT, and caloric intake (and the ratio of carbs to fat) for fat loss varies between individuals?
On certain compound lifts regarding form/technique. A one size fits all approach can be stupid.
I’m curious. Were you in a low-carb/ketosis/fat-adapted state at that point?
I wonder if there’s a subcategory of “this exercise burns a ton of fat on ketosis but doesn’t do much when you’re not”. Like it seems that thermogenics work better if you’re in ketosis (from reading around).
I can’t squat like I am “supposed too” due a disproportionately long torso (i’m 6’3, wife is 5’9 - we don’t even have to adjust the seats in the cars while switching drivers).
No, I was eating 100-150 grams of carbs around workouts and before bed. I’ve gone the opposite route and done nothing but increase carbs since.
My experience has been that low carb is great for losing weight when I’m not physically active. When I’m active, though, my progress slows dramatically without carbs.
Mind blown.
I like this! Great awareness and I’m inclined to agree with my own experience
Pretty much, and I don’t really see it as adding activity per se. Like we’re already going to the gym, so why not make our time there more metabolically demanding? For me this sure beats having to eat less than 1800 cals and having to add cardio.
This is not Bro Science !!! It’s legit science 
I just cut my cals. I am better at not eating than I am at cardio. Plus, an hour on the treadmill is like a Cheezit.
My point was that I don’t want to eat less or add cardio.
My bro science- you can recover from long duration steady state cardio like, 1+ hours with a bottle of water and a bag of potato chips.
Between the water, electrolytes, carbs and cals burned, its basically a draw.
I ate an entire bag of Doritos once. The big one.
You’re good to go for like 30 miles on that.
Part of the reason cardio is the biggest lie in the industry for fat loss.
On the surface “it burns calories”, but consistant strength training and building a body that does the work for you is and always has been the best way for sustainable fat loss. I have lost count of the amount of people I’ve seen lose a ton of weight with cardio as their main tool to only end up with a worse metabolism than they started with. One of three things then happens; they end up eating the amount of a small child for the rest of their life whilst needing to run further and further, they yoyo diet, or they end up bigger than they original started.
For most people, cardio should be used for it’s health benefits, or a very small tool… not as the main driver of fat loss. And when it is the main driver for fat loss it should only be used for a short period by people who know what they are doing. People like us posting on training forums that have built up our baselines over time can experiment as much as they like. Sharon and Dave doing 7hrs a week in spinclass and then a weekend parkrun are just setting themselves up for disaster.
The exemption to this is walking. Walking is a cheat code.