[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
Max wrote: Why wouldn’t these two people just barter? Money is a burden in this example and would probably have a negative value because it needs to be stored and kept safe. If I were on this island your money would be no good to me. I want real stuff.
Assuming there were sufficient resources on this island, why the hell would the two men even speak to one another unless they needed a spot on the bench press that they made with bamboo poles and hanging baskets of coconuts?[/quote]
Who wants to go inland for fruits, walk back out to the sea to fish, sharpen blades, hooks, make/repair nets, collect fire wood, resupply fresh water, and maybe squeeze in sleep and leisure? Even if there’s wood, fruit, fish, and water galore, time is always limited. I mean, when are you going to have the time and energy to use that survivor rigged home gym?
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
Max wrote: Why wouldn’t these two people just barter? Money is a burden in this example and would probably have a negative value because it needs to be stored and kept safe. If I were on this island your money would be no good to me. I want real stuff.
Assuming there were sufficient resources on this island, why the hell would the two men even speak to one another unless they needed a spot on the bench press that they made with bamboo poles and hanging baskets of coconuts?[/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
pwrlifter198 wrote:
Max wrote: Why wouldn’t these two people just barter? Money is a burden in this example and would probably have a negative value because it needs to be stored and kept safe. If I were on this island your money would be no good to me. I want real stuff.
Assuming there were sufficient resources on this island, why the hell would the two men even speak to one another unless they needed a spot on the bench press that they made with bamboo poles and hanging baskets of coconuts?
Who wants to go inland for fruits, walk back out to the sea to fish, sharpen blades, hooks, make/repair nets, collect fire wood, resupply fresh water, and maybe squeeze in sleep and leisure? Even if there’s wood, fruit, fish, and water galore, time is always limited. I mean, when are you going to have the time and energy to use that survivor rigged home gym?[/quote]
Ding, ding!
Exactly! Resources do not produce themselves.
To the extent that there are more people willing to cooperate and trade their individual skills with each other more wealth will be created than if one were to live in self-sufficient isolation.
This is valid whether we are on a deserted island or in the big city overflowing with a capital infrastructure.
Indeed, we only have the capacity to “workout” because we live in such an advanced society where people have built up a capital infrastructure to allow us this advantage. Ironically, “working out” only became necessary because of the advanced capital infrastructure that has made us sedentary. Yay, capitalism?
I have a feeling that if Max and Sloth were the two stranded on this island, rescuers would arrive in ten years to find that the rainforest had been cleared and replaced with smokestacks and condos. Bananas and coconuts would be traded on a futures market, strip mining would be fueled with fossil fuels one of them discovered and then cornered the market. There would be an upper and lower class (my bet is on Max being the oil tycoon)and class warfare. When the rescuers found them they would both be dreaming of escaping the trappings of the modern world and vacationing on a deserted island where they could escape it all.
Republican dropped out of NY 23rd District. Looks like Hoffman is going to win this by a land slide.[/quote]
Hoffman currently trails democrat Bill Owens by only 1% in the latest poll. But, I’m hopeful that Hoffman can defeat the democrat in a one on one race. Just read that VP Biden will be in the district campaigning for Owens Monday morning.
Republican dropped out of NY 23rd District. Looks like Hoffman is going to win this by a land slide.
Hoffman currently trails democrat Bill Owens by only 1% in the latest poll. But, I’m hopeful that Hoffman can defeat the democrat in a one on one race. Just read that VP Biden will be in the district campaigning for Owens Monday morning. [/quote]
The last poll I saw showed Hoffman ahead by 2%. And now with the republican dropped from the race, all her voters are going to go to Hoffman.
This should be a land slide victory.
Edit* Just saw the poll you where talking about, looks like dede had 20% of the votes, most if not all should be going to Hoffman.
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
There would be an upper and lower class (my bet is on Max being the oil tycoon)and class warfare. When the rescuers found them they would both be dreaming of escaping the trappings of the modern world and vacationing on a deserted island where they could escape it all.[/quote]
He may very well be the oil tycoon. It doesn’t take much in life to keep me happy.
Republican dropped out of NY 23rd District. Looks like Hoffman is going to win this by a land slide.
Hoffman currently trails democrat Bill Owens by only 1% in the latest poll. But, I’m hopeful that Hoffman can defeat the democrat in a one on one race. Just read that VP Biden will be in the district campaigning for Owens Monday morning.
The last poll I saw showed Hoffman ahead by 2%. And now with the republican dropped from the race, all her voters are going to go to Hoffman.
This should be a land slide victory.
Edit* Just saw the poll you where talking about, [/quote]
Normally when a republican leaves the race the votes that they would have gotten would go to the conservative candidate and vice versa. However, Dee Dee was such a liberal, as in pro abortion and pro homosexual marriage that many of her votes actually came from democrats who wanted a liberal woman.
Interesting isn’t it? On top of that her name will still appear on the ballot even though she has dropped out. many diehard republicans will blindly pull that lever regardless.
I still say Hoffman will win but not by the landslide that otherwise would have happened under more normal circumstances. Perhaps Hoffman wins by 5% of the vote, just a guess.
A pox on the houses of all the extremes – liberal and conservative and religious and all the rest.
I like a lot of Ron Paul’s ideas – how they don’t hate us because of our Freedom but because we’re over there interfering with their lives, how we can’t afford this empire and we’re going broke like Rome and Britian so even if it is a good idea we just can’t afford it, how the Fed needs monitoring, and similar views. I see that as pretty mainstream, not extreme.
Republican are generally chasing the extreme right, while dems have been trying to move just to the left of the reps (as seen by FISA, support for the wars, etc. – there are exceptions such as the public option) while trying to ignore their left wing as much as possible (as shown by Obama fighting behind the scenes against the public option while courting Snowe).
It would be nice to see a new party of the ‘sensible center’ form, as they seem to be pretty much ignored by both parties.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and the loony extremes will kill each other off.
[quote]Nick Danger wrote:
A pox on the houses of all the extremes – liberal and conservative and religious and all the rest.
I like a lot of Ron Paul’s ideas – how they don’t hate us because of our Freedom but because we’re over there interfering with their lives, how we can’t afford this empire and we’re going broke like Rome and Britian so even if it is a good idea we just can’t afford it, how the Fed needs monitoring, and similar views. I see that as pretty mainstream, not extreme.
Republican are generally chasing the extreme right, while dems have been trying to move just to the left of the reps (as seen by FISA, support for the wars, etc. – there are exceptions such as the public option) while trying to ignore their left wing as much as possible (as shown by Obama fighting behind the scenes against the public option while courting Snowe).
It would be nice to see a new party of the ‘sensible center’ form, as they seem to be pretty much ignored by both parties.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and the loony extremes will kill each other off.[/quote]
We need candidates that uphold capitalism and our Republic. Halfway between capitalism socialism is only slightly better than socialism. Halfway between a Republic protected by the constitution and complete mob rule democracy is only slightly better than complete mob rule democracy.
A compromise, by definition, cannot be the best solution.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Nick Danger wrote:
A pox on the houses of all the extremes – liberal and conservative and religious and all the rest.
I like a lot of Ron Paul’s ideas – how they don’t hate us because of our Freedom but because we’re over there interfering with their lives, how we can’t afford this empire and we’re going broke like Rome and Britian so even if it is a good idea we just can’t afford it, how the Fed needs monitoring, and similar views. I see that as pretty mainstream, not extreme.
Republican are generally chasing the extreme right, while dems have been trying to move just to the left of the reps (as seen by FISA, support for the wars, etc. – there are exceptions such as the public option) while trying to ignore their left wing as much as possible (as shown by Obama fighting behind the scenes against the public option while courting Snowe).
It would be nice to see a new party of the ‘sensible center’ form, as they seem to be pretty much ignored by both parties.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and the loony extremes will kill each other off.
We need candidates that uphold capitalism and our Republic. Halfway between capitalism socialism is only slightly better than socialism. Halfway between a Republic protected by the constitution and complete mob rule democracy is only slightly better than complete mob rule democracy.
A compromise, by definition, cannot be the best solution. [/quote]
Looks like America is finally done with the 2 party system. Lets hope this trend continues.[/quote]
The new Conservative Party will take over and the Republicans will go the way of the Whigs. Republicans were just a pale imitation of the Dems anyway. Fuck 'em and good riddance!!
Looks like America is finally done with the 2 party system. Lets hope this trend continues.
The new Conservative Party will take over and the Republicans will go the way of the Whigs. Republicans were just a pale imitation of the Dems anyway. Fuck 'em and good riddance!!
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HH, the republicans are not going anywhere, you have to stop believing the nonsense. You’re old enough to remember the predicted demise of the democratic party after the Reagan revolution. And what happened to that party? Exactly.
Myself, I have no recollection of any such prediction in Reagan’s day.
In fact, I recall the Democratic Party continuing to control the House during both of his terms, and the Senate as well during the last two years of his second term, as well as throughout GHW Bush’s term.
That is not to say that someone may not have predicted it, but it would have been a strange prediction given the Democrats never losing control of the House during that period.