[quote]pushharder wrote:My bet is the History Channel which really is just the “Entertainment Channel With History as Its Theme” might not get it right. By “right” I mean a seriously, intellectually, historically and spiritually accurate piece. We’ll see. >>>[/quote]I will bet a trillion dollars that they will come to any and every non conclusion there is EXCEPT the right one.[quote]pushharder wrote: Having said that, I do enjoy some of what the HC airs.[/quote]Indeed. I haven’t see a TV in a couple years, but THC was one of the few I watched regularly when I had one. Science and Discovery too. And Looney Tunes.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Hold Up wrote:
Remove anything “supernatural” (which I firmly disbelieve) and I think the Bible is a descent book with some genuine history.
[/quote]
You know what funny about people who desperately want to dismiss, or not believe the divine or “supernatural” is it’s generally replaced with believes that are even more bizarre and unprovable.
Yeah, there is some genuine history in the Bible, but it’s not a history book. To treat as such is to miss the point. History is history.
If you firmly disbelieve the ‘supernatural’ aspects of it. What’s the point at all?
There are plenty of history and archaeological books. Lot’s of ancient literature. The Bible is more than that, otherwise it’s just another boring old book with utterly no meaning. [/quote]
I grew up in a Christian environment and remain in one for the most part. I was never so “desperate” to dismiss or disbelieve. I rather think I saw the light, and evolved… It was a tough for me at that time. I feel I am much better off for it, spiritually speaking. So, what’s the point at all? For me personally, none. I don’t read it, and do not think I need to anymore. For Christians, or others that read and “seek”… I don’t doubt or discredit its ability to help and cure the “soul” and allow people to find purpose, etc etc. give them hope. Perhaps it is a better world with “good” reiigion than without. I don’t spend much time thinking on these matters anymore, either.
But it’s too bad people don’t want to see the truth… and instead choose to live their life within a lie.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Hold Up wrote:Remove anything “supernatural” and the bible is the biggest and most egregious lie of all time.[/quote]Had to fix that for ya. You’re probably a very nice guy who I would like very much, but you haven’t the first flickering clue what the bible is or what it’s about, but don’t feel like I’m picking on you. Knowledge of such things is at an all time low in modern post reformation history. Even in church. Especially in church actually.
[/quote]
Off subject perhaps:
I’m not picking on you, either…but I find it odd when you put words in my mouth, make a judgemental accusation against me, and also say how you’d probably like me.
Interesting. I trade markets for a living. It’s known that random or various feedback responses (misxture of positive and negative but not knowing which you will get) are what’s addicting to traders or who become “gamblers”. I am always cautious to avoid the markets when possible when that’s what I’m seeing. It appears you are giving me that same type of response. Random negative and positive responses.
[quote]Hold Up wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Hold Up wrote:
Remove anything “supernatural” (which I firmly disbelieve) and I think the Bible is a descent book with some genuine history.
[/quote]
You know what funny about people who desperately want to dismiss, or not believe the divine or “supernatural” is it’s generally replaced with believes that are even more bizarre and unprovable.
Yeah, there is some genuine history in the Bible, but it’s not a history book. To treat as such is to miss the point. History is history.
If you firmly disbelieve the ‘supernatural’ aspects of it. What’s the point at all?
There are plenty of history and archaeological books. Lot’s of ancient literature. The Bible is more than that, otherwise it’s just another boring old book with utterly no meaning. [/quote]
I grew up in a Christian environment and remain in one for the most part. I was never so “desperate” to dismiss or disbelieve. I rather think I saw the light, and evolved… It was a tough for me at that time. I feel I am much better off for it, spiritually speaking. So, what’s the point at all? For me personally, none. I don’t read it, and do not think I need to anymore. For Christians, or others that read and “seek”… I don’t doubt or discredit its ability to help and cure the “soul” and allow people to find purpose, etc etc. give them hope. Perhaps it is a better world with “good” reiigion than without. I don’t spend much time thinking on these matters anymore, either.
But it’s too bad people don’t want to see the truth… and instead choose to live their life within a lie. [/quote]
Well what’s the ‘truth’ then?
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
Yes you do, you decided to respond to it, then you decided once again to post
anyway even after your so-called “second thought”, when you could just could have stayed
silent and not want to know, and not post in the first place after taking a deep
breath initially deciding on whether you wanted to know or not.
[/quote]
I have decided I don’t want to. I am not interested in conspiracy theories. If you spent as much time on researching history and fact, you would know a lot.[/quote]
Existence is a conspiracy theory, and you are the primary conspirator.
King of out of left field, but I love reading psalms from a King James bible. The language in beautiful.
[quote]Hold Up wrote: I grew up in a Christian environment and remain in one for the most part. I was never so “desperate” to dismiss or disbelieve. I rather think I saw the light, and evolved… It was a tough for me at that time. I feel I am much better off for it, spiritually speaking. So, what’s the point at all? For me personally, none. I don’t read it, and do not think I need to anymore. For Christians, or others that read and “seek”… I don’t doubt or discredit its ability to help and cure the “soul” and allow people to find purpose, etc etc. give them hope. Perhaps it is a better world with “good” reiigion than without. I don’t spend much time thinking on these matters anymore, either.
But it’s too bad people don’t want to see the truth… and instead choose to live their life within a lie. [/quote] Describe for me your upbringing a bit more if you would please. “Christian” is literally meaningless in today’s western world.
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
Yes you do, you decided to respond to it, then you decided once again to post
anyway even after your so-called “second thought”, when you could just could have stayed
silent and not want to know, and not post in the first place after taking a deep
breath initially deciding on whether you wanted to know or not.
[/quote]
I have decided I don’t want to. I am not interested in conspiracy theories. If you spent as much time on researching history and fact, you would know a lot.[/quote]
Existence is a conspiracy theory, and you are the primary conspirator.
[/quote]
You’re merely a figment of my imagination.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
Yes you do, you decided to respond to it, then you decided once again to post
anyway even after your so-called “second thought”, when you could just could have stayed
silent and not want to know, and not post in the first place after taking a deep
breath initially deciding on whether you wanted to know or not.
[/quote]
I have decided I don’t want to. I am not interested in conspiracy theories. If you spent as much time on researching history and fact, you would know a lot.[/quote]
Existence is a conspiracy theory, and you are the primary conspirator.
[/quote]
You’re merely a figment of my imagination.[/quote]
I suppose if you wanted to refer to an informational component of your directly accessible mental contents as “imaginary” than that would be true
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
King of out of left field, but I love reading psalms from a King James bible. The language in beautiful. [/quote]
Ditto.
But for a more…“muscular”…version, try:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:I suppose if you wanted to refer to an informational component of your directly accessible mental contents as “imaginary” than that would be true[/quote]Some discussions you may find interesting.
Epistemology
Metaphysics
Freewill
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/free_will?id=4523136&pageNo=0
Moral authority
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/claiming_moral_authority?id=5421917&pageNo=11
I still owe Kamui, that intellectual Colossus, a post in this one for the last few months.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Moral authority
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/claiming_moral_authority?id=5421917&pageNo=11
I still owe Kamui, that intellectual Colossus, a post in this one for the last few months. [/quote]
I’d tell you I’m eagerly awaiting that response… but then you could bring up responses I owe you 
Sorry, that link with the piece you gave me has a lot to go over. Maybe one of these days I’ll be able to give it the attention it deserves but it’s going to take time like a book report to do it right and life has a tendency to get in the way.
That’s the point. responses on some of these topics are a literal project and with him I don’t do well with installment writing where I’ll start a document and work on it over time and then post it when I’m done. I need to stay with a train of thought in one sitting to be at my best, which means I need a couple hours minimum sometimes. Like now. Very careful phraseology is also required or the whole post can wind up being for nothing. Take your time Fletch. Obviously I get it.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
King of out of left field, but I love reading psalms from a King James bible. The language in beautiful. [/quote]
It may be perhaps linguistically aesthetic, but the King James version has serious translation issues and hence I do not trust it for accuracy.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:I suppose if you wanted to refer to an informational component of your directly accessible mental contents as “imaginary” than that would be true[/quote]Some discussions you may find interesting.
Epistemology
Metaphysics
Freewill
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/free_will?id=4523136&pageNo=0
Moral authority
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/claiming_moral_authority?id=5421917&pageNo=11
I still owe Kamui, that intellectual Colossus, a post in this one for the last few months. [/quote]
I strongly suspect this to be Karado’s alter ego. Perhaps to get me caught up in some asshat conspiracy garbage.
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
Yes you do, you decided to respond to it, then you decided once again to post
anyway even after your so-called “second thought”, when you could just could have stayed
silent and not want to know, and not post in the first place after taking a deep
breath initially deciding on whether you wanted to know or not.
[/quote]
I have decided I don’t want to. I am not interested in conspiracy theories. If you spent as much time on researching history and fact, you would know a lot.[/quote]
Existence is a conspiracy theory, and you are the primary conspirator.
[/quote]
You’re merely a figment of my imagination.[/quote]
I suppose if you wanted to refer to an informational component of your directly accessible mental contents as “imaginary” than that would be true[/quote]
That’s not what that would mean at all. This simple childish assertion actually has deep epistemological implications.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
King of out of left field, but I love reading psalms from a King James bible. The language in beautiful. [/quote]
It may be perhaps linguistically aesthetic, but the King James version has serious translation issues and hence I do not trust it for accuracy. [/quote]
Accuracy.
Word? Image? Understanding?
In one of his prefaces, Robert Alter speaks to the beauty of the KJV, principally because the committee did strive to mimic the music of the original. So much of the Hebrew original had been adopted into the KJV that one would think it was old and established English idiom.
But Alter is a literary critic and translator. His point is that the Hebrew is a compact language, and that the poetry of the Old Testament is one of parallelism of ideas, and not of sounds. And to a remarkable degree, he succeeds in his translations to transmit the power of the image and the metaphor, whereas other translations (English or not) seem flabby or confused.
I can tell you that I never understood Job so well, in the original or in translation, as from Alter’s stunning translation.
The bible which was written by second hand prophets… I find Jesus Christ to be a great example of a humanitarian, however alot seems to not sit right… The teaching is meant to dissolve oneself and see past conditioning, not to follow blindly to random scripture and text and call it truth through a pattern of the mind, theology and belief is just a mental mind construct.
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
The bible which was written by second hand prophets… I find Jesus Christ to be a great example of a humanitarian, however alot seems to not sit right… The teaching is meant to dissolve oneself and see past conditioning, not to follow blindly to random scripture and text and call it truth through a pattern of the mind, theology and belief is just a mental mind construct. [/quote]Well thank you so very much for this penetrating and priceless revelation. The whole of the Christian church has for 20 centuries been languishing in ignorance of the central figure of her equally elusive ancient scriptures until this post, when glory be to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, cstratton2 has now chased the darkness from our hearts.
I am ceasing my life of prayer, throwing away all my books and printing out this post to carry with me always lest I forget what you’ve done for me here today. Nay, not for myself alone, but for the world whose indebtedness to you will persist until the pyramid of Cheops has returned to the dusts of Giza. I simply cannot wait to partake of whatever additional contributions will be forthcoming by the time you learn to shave.