He’s going to say that a zygote is human life, with the implication that that is the same as saying it is a human being.
Yes, but then he needs to prove it. I have already pointed out that a fertilized egg isn’t necessarily an individual being as they can split into two or three eggs.
What I posted will be his proof. It doesn’t matter what you respond with, he’ll be a broken record.
What species are the human unborn? We are talking about humans after all, I should assume you can’t follow high school level biology; or am I mistaken
I’m just waiting for you to define WHAT the unborn human is; when does life begin? How about a few characteristics to throw in for GOOD measure.
The unborn spend a few months in the mother because nature mandates this. Where else can the baby go? The mother doesn’t create life by herself but that gives her all the future decisions? After birth, can she kill the baby a day or two after delivery? How about a month after delivery? Six months? How about a year or two? (regarding last four questions) Does a four inch journey down the birth canal create life?
Again her body changes but it can also return to the former state before the pregnancy, so I’m not following your thinking.
Those changes are something determined by nature.
Arguing for a quarter of a quarter percent to justify the slaughter of ALL innocent children; own you shit choice and call it for what it is. A spinless rapist takes away the choice of the other sex; now that is what you want to use? That’s fucked-up thinking.
My brother was raped by a land whale; if she were to get pregnant should he have any rites to his child?
Again, where have I used a faith to argue from the position of LIFE? All human life is sacred and deserves protection. You are the one arguing from a position that once a violent act results in a pregnancy, a more horrific and brutal event erases the original act. Please find the numbers comparing rapes that result in pregnancy and then comparing the numbers of women who had abortions with those who kept the baby. The important part is where they are years after the act of rape.
Where did I gloss over anything?
You place words and ideas in my mind and create arguments all while I’m supposed to argue from there? Sorry, not how a discussion works.
And by the way, I know sex is great. The sex that I share with my wife is literally best i have ever experienced; whether we decide to partake in the creation of life or not.
It’s weird that you are telling me about a growth on your body.
Why am I against contraception? Pregnancy CAN and DOES occur with ALL forms of artificial hormone contraception; read the literature in the packages, since you don’t believe me. When “what” I do with my life is relevant to the topic I’ll answer your weird questions. Personally I make love to my wife often and vigorously enough that I never have to go where you go to do what you do. Seriously gross that you share you life on the internet, but “You do you boo.”
When, why and how does human life begin? (You have jumped too many, many conclusions my friend)
Just let the religion thing die already.
Start a thread and if I have nothing better to do, I can explain my faith.
I hope you are what you claim to ask.
Should I hold my breath? ; )
If you search and read about “Eucharistic miracles” you should be entertained. But I’m sure all the events can be explained away.
Literally all I typed into duckduckgo.com - point of when human life begins at DuckDuckGo
You asked me a question and I told you to do your own homework. Don’t be so lazy. It’s simple to find the answer to that question if you want it.
Here I suppose I will do some work for you.
“If other countries are a guide, abortion restrictions won’t reduce the number of abortions that take place: According to the Guttmacher Institute, abortion rates in countries where abortion is legal are similar to those in countries where it’s illegal. In parts of the world where abortion is illegal, botched abortions still cause about 8 to 11 percent of all maternal deaths, or about 30,000 each year.”
It seems pretty easy for you to understand. If you want to increase the amount of women dying from abortions make it illegal. So go ahead and support something that might not change the total number of abortions but will put pregnant women’s lives in danger if you want.
You do what you want. I’m just telling you you’re making conversation with you much more difficult by using fonts and quote functions in ways that the rest of the forum doesn’t do.
If you want to be that guy who people don’t really want to discuss things on this forum because of how shitty your formatting is I can’t stop you. I’m just telling you why no one else does it that way.
This makes absolutely zero sense. You’re against contraception because pregnancy can occur? Are you arguing that it doesn’t drastically lower the chances? This is like being against seatbelts just because people can die with them on. Give us one logical reason to be against contraception if your goal is to reduce the amount of unwanted children. You want to see the number of abortions shoot up dramatically? Outlaw contraception. If you want to see the number of abortions go down (do you or do you just want it to be illegal?) you want more access and knowledge about contraceptives not less.
That’s fine but everyone knows that if it wasn’t for religion you wouldn’t be against things like contraception. Only in the bizarre world where an invisible sky man has convinced you it’s bad does it make sense.
Who wants to slaughter all innocent children? Or you just wanting to get that hyperbole on real bad? You have no idea the number of women raped as its insanely unreported. You have no idea the number of women raped who end up getting abortions.
A spineless rapist rapes a woman and she becomes pregnant. Now YOU’VE decided to be in charge of what she does. So because she was violated by the rapist you don’t see why you can’t violate her as well?
Well, I’m not going to convince you that it isn’t a human being at all points. I think my evidence is adequate. A zygote can split into two, then stay as two, split off again, merge back together. Do we go from one being, to two, to three, back to one? We can disagree here, but I really don’t think this is an attribute of an individual.
Another line of reason is that humans have a right to live, but not at the expense of others. Meaning I can’t kill you, but you don’t have a right to keep living if it imposes a cost on me. I can cut you off basically.
In this example, the unborn do not have rights to the mothers body.
Would you be opposed to a procedure that removed the unborn from the womb, and if they can survive on their own that’s fine, if not they perish?
“Would be”, according to you, for now
Why not just more efficiently spend resources teaching children or young adults about homosexual sex - it’s far more likely to prevent unwanted pregnancies, no?
Lesbian relationships rarely result in STD transmission. Less so than in heterosexual relationships.
Some argue against homosexuality because of STD transmission, but only consider male relationships. Whenever someone uses this line of reasoning, I just point out that lesbian relationships are the safest for STDs.
I don’t think this would reduce pregnancies because I don’t think teaching about homosexual relationships would have much of an impact on how many people would be homosexual.
Technically
Bisexuality then?
Happy now?
On this I can only really go by personal experience. Would being taught about relationships with other men in school convince me to pursue a boyfriend? Nope. Not interested. I don’t think there is anything wrong with homosexuality morally. Just not interested in it.
Maybe some people could be convinced to switch teams by school education? I can’t see it working on me, but I don’t understand others (people do and think some weird shit by my standards).
I have no interest in chasing down individuals and giving them hell
I think there is something wrong with publicizing and celebrating it, and I expect it to cause moral slippage
I understand publicizing and celebrating it can feel, seem, and be a reaction to hatred
This wasn’t a highjack imo because it relates to “comprehensive sex education”, I wouldn’t expect everyone to agree on what that means, and I wouldn’t expect any agreement to remain indefinitely
Telling people not to have sex until they are ready to have a kid is fine. In conjunction with proper knowledge of contraceptive use and easy access and affordability of contraceptives. Your second point is irrelevant to the discussion. You don’t have to prevent unwanted pregnancies in cases where pregnancy isn’t possible.
Essentially the pro life people like knee fight against the very things that reduce unwanted pregnancies with their weird biblical stances on “thou shalt not condom.”
I infer by this that you think homosexuality is immoral? Why is that?
And it’s this that’s absurd. As if one can see two men kiss and that magically makes the person who saw it gay. I didn’t choose to be straight and no exposure to anything is going to change that for me.
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You’re probably right that no exposure to anything would change that for you at this point
Maybe it never could have since it’s genetic
That’s why I acknowledge my typo or syntax slip, bisexuality rather than homosexuality. That seems to be the future
Your claim that I don’t do the homework you give me was wrong and all because I am so lazy [and I did respond previously but I’ll try another approach] -
Are saying that making the act of abortion illegal will suddenly make abortions more dangerous and all these extra women will die, am I wrong? Just over a month ago a lady was hemorrhaging from a botched abortion. Wait, abortion is legal through all nine months of pregnancy in all fifty states of our Union; shouldn’t abortion be safe for the mother? Not this mother and that was just from today’s stories.
You are the one who is in the Abortion thread saying abortion is so safe and birth control just needs to be cheaper with greater access. Where in the USA is birth-control expensive? Where is it NOT readily available?
Look to the of the deep south [Mississippi if i remember right] where abstinence is taught and look at the pregnancy rates. Kids are taught something really basic; having sex creates babies. Go to Chicago [again I might be wrong but this is what I remember] were they teach birth-control methods.
Just to let you know, the Guttmacher Institute is a pro-death group, so of course their numbers are going to support those agendas.