“There are far fewer dimwitted Ashkenazi Jews and Japanese (as a percentage of their total population) than other races”
In terms of Ashkenazi Jews that appears to be due to selection for mentally demanding occupations in the middle ages. You had selection for high iq.
G. Cochran, J. Hardy, H. Harpending, Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence, Journal of Biosocial Science 38 (5), pp. 659?693 (2006).
http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf
Of course. That’s precisely what we see on this thread. Like he said, “there is no a priori reason to suppose that the optimal physical characteristics were different in those different environments but the optimal mental characteristics were the same,” but since cultivating racial strife is one of the Left’s favorite chestnuts, and white Western males simply must be to blame for everything, evolution must have affected cognition equally amongst all the races, but especially as it relates to black/white IQ differences. Actually, the cynic in me doesn’t believe that Lefty whiterpeople actually believe that cognition and IQ are the same across the races - they just want to yell, “Racist!” at any opportunity so that they can achieve hegemony over white people across the aisle.
Remember Bruce Lahn’s study connecting IQ to certain genes and the vilification he immediately received?
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/06/bruce-lahn-moving-on-to-non-iq.php
No wonder he’s moved from IQ-related research. The FightingIrishesque troglodytes on the Left simply hate science when it can’t be used to bash Evangelical “Fundies.”
I like how lefties sit there and shove evolution down our throats but then it cannot be applied to human-kind. (I like evolution, and I think it is neat)
[quote]Ben017 wrote:
“There are far fewer dimwitted Ashkenazi Jews and Japanese (as a percentage of their total population) than other races”
In terms of Ashkenazi Jews that appears to be due to selection for mentally demanding occupations in the middle ages. You had selection for high iq.
G. Cochran, J. Hardy, H. Harpending, Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence, Journal of Biosocial Science 38 (5), pp. 659?693 (2006).
http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf [/quote]
Good one.
But one of their conclusions is unsupported by their data, the contention that the genes for the sphingolipidoses are in some way responsible for the Ashkenazi IQ hiatus.
Were that the case, then the big difference in the standard error of IQ measurements would be reflected in in the gene frequencies; i.e., the advantage of IQ would be restricted to those inidividuals who have one copy of the spingolipid disorder genes. This is plainly not the case; the gene frequencies are about 2 per thousand, and could not explain an mean IQ 15 pts higher than other that of the non-Ashkenazi population.
Other than that glaring error, good one.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
There is no a priori reason to suppose that the optimal physical characteristics were different in those different environments but the optimal mental characteristics were the same. And yet, when differing outcomes by racial groups are observed, it is assumed without discussion that they must be entirely due to differential treatment by race. That might turn out to be true, but there is no good reason to expect it. Here again, anyone who argues the opposite is likely to find himself the target of ferocious attacks, mainly from people on the left."
Of course. That’s precisely what we see on this thread. Like he said, “there is no a priori reason to suppose that the optimal physical characteristics were different in those different environments but the optimal mental characteristics were the same,” but since cultivating racial strife is one of the Left’s favorite chestnuts, and white Western males simply must be to blame for everything, evolution must have affected cognition equally amongst all the races, but especially as it relates to black/white IQ differences. Actually, the cynic in me doesn’t believe that Lefty whiterpeople actually believe that cognition and IQ are the same across the races - they just want to yell, “Racist!” at any opportunity so that they can achieve hegemony over white people across the aisle.
Remember Bruce Lahn’s study connecting IQ to certain genes and the vilification he immediately received?
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/06/bruce-lahn-moving-on-to-non-iq.php
No wonder he’s moved from IQ-related research. The FightingIrishesque troglodytes on the Left simply hate science when it can’t be used to bash Evangelical “Fundies.” [/quote]
Trodlodytes!? Fuck me you been book-readin? Who got you a library card?
Your larger vocabulary notwithstanding, it’s still bullshit. I think it’s a cheap and easy way out for you fucks instead of looking at the socio-economic circumstances and the places they grow up. It’ll be easier to say, “Well hell, he’s black and from Compton, it’s in his genes to rob that store.”
That can be twisted and turned all around to provide the same type of propaganda that was widespread throughout the slavery years. Hell, even the magical space god condemned blacks in his novel, I think in like chapter 2, when it said that the dark people were meant to serve.
I know you like making jokes about me having “blows to the head” affecting my cognitive abilities (although I don’t know what that means for you, because I’ve torn you new gaping assholes plenty of times), but let’s look at it in a boxing light.
Black fighters are generally slicker than white fighters. Is that true? Well, if you take the guys who fight out there, and say which ones have glaring examples in handspeed, you’ll get Mayweathers and Augustus’ and Judah and a million others. As for whites? Well, not so much. We’ve got Ricky Hattons and Micky Wards, flat-footed sluggers who don’t, and seemingly can’t dance and jive the way black fighters do.
Now, with your kind of idea, you could just say, “Well fuck me, the blacks obviously have a distinct genetic trait that makes them faster and slicker in the ring.” And you can leave it at that. And then you can tell black kids, “Hey, you know you got a predisposition to being good fighters, why don’t you go do that instead of sittin’ in a classroom?” And bang, it’s made into a mode of social control. Forget the fact that your initial presumption ignored a whole thunderin’ herd of sociological questions that are as important to that experiment as the ring is: “Where were the black and white fighters from? How many blacks are actually fighting vs. the number of whites fighting? Do the blacks have a stronger mental drive to fight because they either consciously or subconsciously know that there is no other way out of the hood for them? Do the fewer white guys that box take it as seriously? Does the number of blacks fighting being larger affect what genetic cards you have? What classes do they come from?”
And by ignoring these questions, you can sit back and throw your ace of spades and just say, “Well, it’s genetic” when, though in a minuscule part it might be, but social and economic factors have had a far greater effect on whether or not they succeed, or how they look to get out of the ghetto.
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Your larger vocabulary notwithstanding, it’s still bullshit. I think it’s a cheap and easy way out for you fucks instead of looking at the socio-economic circumstances and the places they grow up. It’ll be easier to say, “Well hell, he’s black and from Compton, it’s in his genes to rob that store.”[/quote]
Uh, no, you pathetic mouth-breather. You’re projecting.
“And by ignoring these questions, you can sit back and throw your ace of spades and just say, “Well, it’s genetic” when, though in a minuscule part it might be, but social and economic factors have had a far greater effect on whether or not they succeed, or how they look to get out of the ghetto.”
No one ignores those questions. In terms of athletics & genetics, there is considerable research showing that there are group differences on average.
The East African edge, if you will, reflects the impact of evolution on body type and physiology. “Africans are naturally, genetically, more likely to have less body fat, which is a critical edge in elite running,” notes Joseph Graves, Jr., an evolutionary biologist at Arizona State University and author of The Emperor?s New Clothes: Biological Theories of Race at the Millenium. “Evolution has shaped body types and in part athletic possibilities. Don?t expect an Eskimo to show up on an NBA court or a Watusi to win the world weightlifting championship,” adds Graves, who is African American. “Differences don?t necessarily correlate with skin color, but rather with geography and climate. Endurance runners are more likely to come from East Africa. That?s a fact. Genes play a major role in this.”