I wonder if the flub was staged to get the discussion back on Iraq.
This reminds me of when Bush claimed he never said “stay the course”.
They are all morons.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
77% of all coverage provided Democrats by the “Non-Liberally Biased” Media is positive. 12% of all coverage provided Republians is positive. Please bear in mind that it’s mainly these same, upstanding, non-biased folks who conduct the polls.
Yet we react with shock when the Democrats can’t win elections. Well, this is why. They don’t know when to shut-up. They insult the American people. The people that they want to vote for them.
And after, when they have a shot at damage control they say, “I’m not apologizing! It’s the President who should apologize!” Arrogance. And the face of the Democrat’s arrogance is John Kerry.
The voters see through this crap and the see through the Democrats. They see and the Democrats pay for it at the polls.
It’ll happen again.
Then we’ll hear the shock from the media. “The election was stolen. It was rigged! HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED! OUR polls said it was a landslide for our side…I mean…for the Democrats!”
The New York Times is already essentially ignoring this story, hoping it will go away. It didn’t get a headline and it’s (the very definition of) buried in a larger article on Iraq and the election. Then the NYT has already paid because it’s not viewed as anything other than a Democrat organ these days. Pathetic.
So, yeah. THANKS, John! This will be TWO elections you cost your part in two years! [/quote]
Oh? So it was important news? Do you really weant the newspapers of america to give a headline to every verbal blunder of George Bush?
And whoever is in power always has more negative media. That and the fact that the republican party has been plagued by a huge number of scandals thses past 6 years.
So John Kerry said kids could end up in Iraq if they don’t study hard… um… that sounds true O.O
I wonder how many soldiers in Iraq signed up AFTER we went to war? And how many signed up for the collage benefits, and got dragged along for the ride?
There are many soldiers who beleive in the cause, but to be honest, this war is a huge blunder. Democcrats, republicans and otherwise. Everyone fucked up bigtime. I love our soldiers. I respect them greatly, and I respect anyone who decides to ship off to Iraq immensly. But how many people, since the war started, have actually volunteered to join the fight in Iraq? Their are definetly some, but not many. And I’m willing to bet a butt load many of the soldiers in Iraq got dragged their because they needed a way to pay for college before the war even started.
Stop getting so fuckin’ uppity everytime an America critisizes the US government. Thats what being an American is all about. Bush has said stupider and more insulting shit in his career (“The geneva conventions are very vague” ring any bells?).
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Thank you, Senator…just…thank you!
Is it his fault the Bush Admin is too stupid to get who the joke was aimed at?
Let’s not forget that only 140,000 of 2 million troops are in Iraq which means that if he were making fun of the intelligence of the military he would only be making fun of 7% of them.
Why was he makes jokes using a war, one of humanity’s ultimate tragedies, as fodder for his humor? Does he hate Bush THAT much? Using war to insult and demean the president?
So, he either insulted our troops or used war as political cannon fodder. How will history judge the man?
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First of all we never declared war–so it’s not a war.
Second, are we that seisitive that we can’t take a little humor about an issue that is on everyone’s mind.
Third, we declared victory in April 2003, why are we still having our service members die there.
Fourth, Bush really is that dumb. He shouldn’t be allowed to manage a Dairy Queen, let alone the USA.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
I wonder how many soldiers in Iraq signed up AFTER we went to war? And how many signed up for the collage benefits, and got dragged along for the ride?
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Quite a few I’m sure. Although, in all fairness they did volunteer. But the benefits (tuition, etc.) were more than likely a bigger factor than being a patriot in the majority (not all) of cases. The Armed Services have to offer something halfway decent in order to get the recruits they need… especially now.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Thank you, Senator…just…thank you!
Is it his fault the Bush Admin is too stupid to get who the joke was aimed at? [/quote]
So the joke was supposed to be something like this: “Study hard and stay in school and you won’t get us stuck in a war in Iraq?” Did I miss something?
Didn’t George Bush go to Harvard and Yale and score better on his tests than Kerry, and then went on to become the governor of Texas and twice president of the USA?
WE’RE the morons for thinking that’s not what he meant, given the shit he’s said about the armed forces in the past?
That has to be one of the most limp-dicked spins I have ever seen. If you are sincere, I have to point out how breathtakingly stupid that is. Even your commie dad could probably figure out what a stretch that is.
You rightwingoverse denizens are plain crazy.
One president fucks your land up the ass for six years in every position and it’s OK. But when one guy makes a politically wrong move -even when he’s correct in essence- you cheer and laugh.
America gets the leader it deserves, I presume.
[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Thank you, Senator…just…thank you!
Is it his fault the Bush Admin is too stupid to get who the joke was aimed at?
So the joke was supposed to be something like this: “Study hard and stay in school and you won’t get us stuck in a war in Iraq?” Did I miss something?
Didn’t George Bush go to Harvard and Yale and score better on his tests than Kerry, and then went on to become the governor of Texas and twice president of the USA?
WE’RE the morons for thinking that’s not what he meant, given the shit he’s said about the armed forces in the past?
Let’s not forget that only 140,000 of 2 million troops are in Iraq which means that if he were making fun of the intelligence of the military he would only be making fun of 7% of them.
That has to be one of the most limp-dicked spins I have ever seen. If you are sincere, I have to point out how breathtakingly stupid that is. Even your commie dad could probably figure out what a stretch that is.
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Yes, if you think he meant it as an insult to the military then you are a moron.
Hey, if you’re going to make fun of an entire military force why would you only insult 7% of them…?
I don’t understand how people equate going to an Ivy league school with someone’s intelligence. If you’re the son of a rich person with influence then getting into a school like Yale or Harvard isn’t that big of a deal–an average American citizen with a 2.0 GPA would not get accepted into grad school–and therein lies the real kick in the nuts. He wasted space in grad school–space that could have been used by a real student with ambition to learn and excel.
America gets the leader it deserves, I presume.
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Not a criticism a German should EVER use.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
You rightwingoverse denizens are plain crazy.
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Stimmt!
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
So John Kerry said kids could end up in Iraq if they don’t study hard… um… that sounds true O.O
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Gee, I wonder why so many took Kerry’s comments as a jab at the troops fighting in Iraq. Could it be that many on the Left (yourself included, apparently), since Vietnam, have been making that exact same socioeconomic argument about the American military? Shit, Charlie Rangel has been saying essentially the exact same thing since the war started. So when Kerry uses the pronoun you while speaking to a bunch of students, it’s a huge stretch for people to assume he is warning the students that failure to study hard in school may consign them to a similar fate as those poor soldiers now fighting in Iraq?
Obviously, given the context, that’s not what Kerry meant; however, I’m sure the Democrats would be acting much different if the shoe were on the other foot…
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Oh? So it was important news? Do you really weant the newspapers of america to give a headline to every verbal blunder of George Bush? [/quote]
They already do. Particularly when they are this powerful. Remember Trent lot?
Really? I challenge you to review some of the disasterous foreign policy missteps by the previous administration (Korea, Somalia, Haiti) and tell us how the coverage stacked up.
Try to stay on task here.
Except, of course, if you were to compare the educational background of the members of the military to that of the students of the City College of Pasadena or whatever community college that Kerry was addressing. So it only SOUNDS right because you have no grasp on the technical and educational level of the modern, all-volunteer military.
You could easily find those statistics if you were so inclined. It’s a significant percentage. And while you’re at it, check out the re-enlistment rates, which are much higher than they were before.
This is a strange argument. They volunteered for the MILITARY, correct?
Gosh, that helps us how?.
That is flatly incorrect. You might think so, but you are factually wrong. The Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard met their recruiting goals without significantly upgrading their benefits package.
Some did. Many did not. You’re assuming, but you know what they say…
I’m sorry your lack of education and perspective leads you to believe that this is the epitome of Americanness. In a thousand years, they won’t include “Making ignorant puns about the troops during war time” in any summary of the contributions of American civilization.
[quote] Bush has said stupider and more insulting shit in his career (“The geneva conventions are very vague” ring any bells?).
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Do you know the articles in question? “Very vague” is pretty concise when dealing with the wording of the articles dealing with non-uniformed enemy combatants and the interplay between this treaty and US law.
Why don’t you cut and paste the articles onto the site and have Headhunter or JeffR break down why there is a strong argument why the conventions don’t apply in any way to non-uniformed enemy combatants? Or re-read any of the billion threads we’ve had on here to that effect? The language is pretty plain, why don’t you give it a shot?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Yes, if you think he meant it as an insult to the military then you are a moron.
Hey, if you’re going to make fun of an entire military force why would you only insult 7% of them…?
I don’t understand how people equate going to an Ivy league school with someone’s intelligence. If you’re the son of a rich person with influence then getting into a school like Yale or Harvard isn’t that big of a deal–an average American citizen with a 2.0 GPA would not get accepted into grad school–and therein lies the real kick in the nuts. He wasted space in grad school–space that could have been used by a real student with ambition to learn and excel. [/quote]
Really.
Weak.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Glad to see Kerry has changed his opinion of the military recently…or not.
Swift Vets and POWs for Truth - Service to Country [/quote]
Oh boy, here we have the lying whores again.
What’s pretty weak is that Bush is all hard broken over the “insult” to his precious troops.
He doesn’t seem to care as much when they fly them home in a coffin though.
[quote]doogie wrote:
America gets the leader it deserves, I presume.
Not a criticism a German should EVER use.[/quote]
Yeah, right. Germany has no history save '33-'45. And for all eternity we shall cower our heads with shame. And the majority of American whites haven’t got German ancestors who could stain their blood.
I didn’t think you were that fatuous, doogie.
Its truly amazing how the liberal fucks on this site are trying to “rationalize” Kerry’s comments into nothing more than a poorly delivered joke. People that are military like myself and Prof.X among others are anything but uneducated college flunkouts! Please, leave the 60’s Kerry! cause you and your ilk are not living in the up to date world! This isn’t Vietnam and the draft! good fucking grief!!!
[quote]PtrDR wrote:
Its truly amazing how the republican fucks on this site are trying to “rationalize” Bush’s comments into nothing more than a poorly delivered joke. People that are military like myself and Prof.X among others are anything but uneducated college flunkouts! Please, leave the 60’s Bush! cause you and your ilk are not living in the up to date world! This isn’t Vietnam and the draft! good fucking grief!!!
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Could not agree more.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
What’s pretty weak is that Bush is all hard broken over the “insult” to his precious troops.[/quote]
It was an insult, and our troops are precious so fuck off.
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He doesn’t seem to care as much when they fly them home in a coffin though.[/quote]
Again, fuck off. You really think that Bush just shrugs off the death of any soldier?, if so, then you really are an ignorant piece of shit. Too much kool aid for you, you’re cut off.
Why don’t you do yourself a favor, and stick to the politics of your own shithole of a country. You’re in over your head.
Ok. Just saw Kerrys pathetic attempt at an apology. I think it’s beiog blown up a bit, but he’s just gotta apologize now. Be a good politician.
Dumbass.
Never really liked him anyways… not aggressive at all. And now, suddenly, he stands by something this small and insignificant?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
doogie wrote:
America gets the leader it deserves, I presume.
Not a criticism a German should EVER use.
Yeah, right. Germany has no history save '33-'45. And for all eternity we shall cower our heads with shame. And the majority of American whites haven’t got German ancestors who could stain their blood.
I didn’t think you were that fatuous, doogie. [/quote]
Germany, more specifically Prussia, has a history of devotion to authoritarianism. German philosophers and historians (Fichte, Hegel, Chamberlain, and so on) created the atmosphere. Of course, they were employed because they expressed the will of German leaders. I suspect the people would have preferred to be simply let alone. Darn that Martin Luther… 