Thank God For Women

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
For me, Julia, it’s more disrespect, or perceived disrespect, than harm. Maybe they’re one and the same. I’ll give you a for-example, on a chance that, among flamers a la “25 girls = you’re gay” I’ll get a normal reply.

Earlier today I was at a coffeeshop, studying; I talked to a friend on the phone outside and saw a girl sitting nearby; she was hot so I said hi to her. We talked normally, without awkwardness and pretty honestly and openly. She was waiting for an interviewer.

Her interviewer left and so did she. (I stepped out to take a call and saw them part ways). I called out after her, she turned around, we talked.

And now -here- is where it gets annoying. I offer her to meet someone new if she’s interested; I am. She mentions “kinda seeing” and I say I don’t care, etc. I repeat my offer, and tell her a) I don’t want “her number”, I want to know if she’s interested; I don’t want games and I’ll take no for an answer and leave if it’s a no, because I want her “yes” be meaningful. She says yeah she’s game, she’ll hang out with me, she’ll play soccer with my friends and I, etc etc…

She gives me her number.

BUT. See, annoying: why all this bullshit?

And also, when I do call her, you wait, she’ll play games. Even though I told her like 3x that I want an honest answer, that I don’t play games and I don’t chase - that that was about as much chasing as I do.

So that’s what it is, Julia. Frustration, annoyance. A nagging knowledge that there’s a better way.[/quote]

Girls are mean, girls are annoying, girls are frustrating… blah blah blah…

you whine Maybe they just pick up on that. Not to mention you seemed a little pushy in the exchange. Maybe she was just afraid if she said no you would go off on a psycho binge.

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
For me, Julia, it’s more disrespect, or perceived disrespect, than harm. Maybe they’re one and the same. I’ll give you a for-example, on a chance that, among flamers a la “25 girls = you’re gay” I’ll get a normal reply.

Earlier today I was at a coffeeshop, studying; I talked to a friend on the phone outside and saw a girl sitting nearby; she was hot so I said hi to her. We talked normally, without awkwardness and pretty honestly and openly. She was waiting for an interviewer.

Her interviewer left and so did she. (I stepped out to take a call and saw them part ways). I called out after her, she turned around, we talked.

And now -here- is where it gets annoying. I offer her to meet someone new if she’s interested; I am. She mentions “kinda seeing” and I say I don’t care, etc. I repeat my offer, and tell her a) I don’t want “her number”, I want to know if she’s interested; I don’t want games and I’ll take no for an answer and leave if it’s a no, because I want her “yes” be meaningful. She says yeah she’s game, she’ll hang out with me, she’ll play soccer with my friends and I, etc etc…

She gives me her number.

BUT. See, annoying: why all this bullshit?

And also, when I do call her, you wait, she’ll play games. Even though I told her like 3x that I want an honest answer, that I don’t play games and I don’t chase - that that was about as much chasing as I do.

So that’s what it is, Julia. Frustration, annoyance. A nagging knowledge that there’s a better way.[/quote]

Boy, I am sure suprised that some girl on the street didn’t decide to worship the ground that you walk on. can you beleive women not wanting to give their phone number out to some random guy that walked out of a coffee shop and chatted her up, and then got pushy about the phone number. The fact that she might have had a boyfriend shouldn’t have mattered, heck, she should have just up and offered to marry you right there.

I hope you all realize that my post should not be taken seriously, that it was meant in a sarcastic way, possibly helping girl-crazy to find himself a clue.

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when can I start my own threads?

This is my first post and I would just like to say I don’t buy into mens judgement based on testosterone. Sure the horomones testosterone and estrogen can have somewhat of an effect on the brain though.

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At some point, you ahve to ask yourself, “Maybe it’s just me…”
I have had a few bad relationships, and I know where the girls fucked up, and I also am man enough to admit to where I fucked up. Sometimes things are one-sided, but usually they aren’t.

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[quote]mcphal wrote:
when can I start my own threads?

This is my first post and I would just like to say I don’t buy into mens judgement based on testosterone. Sure the horomones testosterone and estrogen can have somewhat of an effect on the brain though.[/quote]

mcphal,
I think you should start your own thread now.
Why not start with that testosterone and estrogen brain topic? Sounds really interesting.

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[quote]Brawan wrote:
Pussies think they can just get along with everyone, Reckless, arrogant, stupid Dicks just love to fuck around and the worst, assholes shits on people all the time.

Pussies don’t like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks.But dicks also fucks assholes…arseholes who just want to shit on everything.

Pussies may think that they can deal with assholes they way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick.A dick with some balls.

The problem with dicks is that sometimes they fuck too much. Or fuck when it isn’t appropriate. And it takes a pussy to show them that.But pussies sometimes get so full of shit that they become arseholes themselves:Because pussies are only an inch and a half away from assholes[/quote]
you sound like a fun date!!!.. HA

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
For me, Julia, it’s more disrespect, or perceived disrespect, than harm. Maybe they’re one and the same. I’ll give you a for-example, on a chance that, among flamers a la “25 girls = you’re gay” I’ll get a normal reply.

Earlier today I was at a coffeeshop, studying; I talked to a friend on the phone outside and saw a girl sitting nearby; she was hot so I said hi to her. We talked normally, without awkwardness and pretty honestly and openly. She was waiting for an interviewer.

Her interviewer left and so did she. (I stepped out to take a call and saw them part ways). I called out after her, she turned around, we talked.

And now -here- is where it gets annoying. I offer her to meet someone new if she’s interested; I am. She mentions “kinda seeing” and I say I don’t care, etc. I repeat my offer, and tell her a) I don’t want “her number”, I want to know if she’s interested; I don’t want games and I’ll take no for an answer and leave if it’s a no, because I want her “yes” be meaningful. She says yeah she’s game, she’ll hang out with me, she’ll play soccer with my friends and I, etc etc…

She gives me her number.

BUT. See, annoying: why all this bullshit?

And also, when I do call her, you wait, she’ll play games. Even though I told her like 3x that I want an honest answer, that I don’t play games and I don’t chase - that that was about as much chasing as I do.

So that’s what it is, Julia. Frustration, annoyance. A nagging knowledge that there’s a better way.[/quote]

I think your more mad about the situation than the girl. Like, you find getting a girls number and all that type of Starting-a-Relationship stuff too complex than it needs to be and thats annoying to you. So you use girls as your scapegoats because they made it difficult by being human and having lives that dont revolve around you.
“The better way…”
What way is this? Forcing your dick on the girl in the middle of the coffee shop? Im sure it would be less stressful if women were just walking sex. But Some actually have brains, (!!!) and they arent just going to do whatever you want when you want it. Thats life.
And I suggest you stop assuming that women you date are all going to be mean to you and screw you around, yeah, some might, some might not. That is also life, you know? Its not always going to be sun shiny and easy riding, there are bumps in everything.
But you’re setting yourself up for failure if your trying to associate with people you think are going to backstab you.
Anyways, I understand your frustration though-I think every impatient person has that alittle bit :wink:

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
For me, Julia, it’s more disrespect, or perceived disrespect, than harm. Maybe they’re one and the same. I’ll give you a for-example, on a chance that, among flamers a la “25 girls = you’re gay” I’ll get a normal reply.

Earlier today I was at a coffeeshop, studying; I talked to a friend on the phone outside and saw a girl sitting nearby; she was hot so I said hi to her. We talked normally, without awkwardness and pretty honestly and openly. She was waiting for an interviewer.

Her interviewer left and so did she. (I stepped out to take a call and saw them part ways). I called out after her, she turned around, we talked.

And now -here- is where it gets annoying. I offer her to meet someone new if she’s interested; I am. She mentions “kinda seeing” and I say I don’t care, etc. I repeat my offer, and tell her a) I don’t want “her number”, I want to know if she’s interested; I don’t want games and I’ll take no for an answer and leave if it’s a no, because I want her “yes” be meaningful. She says yeah she’s game, she’ll hang out with me, she’ll play soccer with my friends and I, etc etc…

She gives me her number.

BUT. See, annoying: why all this bullshit?

And also, when I do call her, you wait, she’ll play games. Even though I told her like 3x that I want an honest answer, that I don’t play games and I don’t chase - that that was about as much chasing as I do.

So that’s what it is, Julia. Frustration, annoyance. A nagging knowledge that there’s a better way.[/quote]

You seem creepy to me.

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Girlcrazy, I feel sorry for you. Sounds like your either surrounding yourself with the wrong women, or your attitude toward women is colouring your perception and the outcome of your interactions with them. Most likely both.

Tarring an entire gender with the same brush is a dangerous thing to do - you risk really tainting any potentially positive interactions.

I for one, find it very annoying when a strange guy chats me up, I politely tell him I’m seeing someone, and he responds with “That’s okay,” or “I don’t care” or “Doesn’t matter.”

If it didn’t matter, would I have mentioned it? Maybe it doesn’t matter to you, but it matters to ME! Some guys have their heads so far up their own asses, I swear it’s like they’re unable to even imagine that someone else’s (especially a female’s) opinion or point of view has any merit or relevance at all!

That said, I also know a lot of wonderful men, and would certainly be missing out on an amazing relationship with my current boyfriend if I’d approached our interaction with the assumption that “he’s just like all the rest.”

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[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
mcphal wrote:
when can I start my own threads?

This is my first post and I would just like to say I don’t buy into mens judgement based on testosterone. Sure the horomones testosterone and estrogen can have somewhat of an effect on the brain though.

mcphal,
I think you should start your own thread now.
Why not start with that testosterone and estrogen brain topic? Sounds really interesting.

[/quote]

Pronto.

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I am -amazed- by the responses my posts get on this form. This, of all forms. T-Nation! So far, you said:
i. It’s creepy or freaky to approach or talk to a woman.

  • I’m a man; I like women. Women don’t come up to men, it’s not their nature. It’s our nature to talk to them. We spoke in a coffee shop prior, and then I saw her leaving and wanted her in my life, so I went for it. Forget the stupid responses from the women on this forum, but to be demonized by the men, surprises me.
    ii. Her “seeing someone” means “stop everything.”
  • I’ve slept with married women and women who are dating. Most women, and most people, want to upgrade, and are open to it. I’m seeing someone, too, but I’m looking to upgrade. Women are that same way. Most don’t want to be alone, especially when their friends are dating.
    iii. “You were pushy”
  • Women put up resistance to test a man’s persistence and to not appear easy and to see what he’ll do to gauge his reaction. You, T-Nation men, demonize me for persistence with women?! What’s wrong with this picture?

I’m a man looking to improve himself; I’m trying to start businesses, I started on a new workout routine, I’m lowering bf% from13-14 to 10%, I try to get more women, etc.

And you demonize me for trying to improve? What’s your philosophical basis for living, if not improvement and the finest of everything?

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
I am -amazed- by the responses my posts get on this form. This, of all forms. T-Nation! So far, you said:
i. It’s creepy or freaky to approach or talk to a woman.

  • I’m a man; I like women. Women don’t come up to men, it’s not their nature. It’s our nature to talk to them. We spoke in a coffee shop prior, and then I saw her leaving and wanted her in my life, so I went for it. Forget the stupid responses from the women on this forum, but to be demonized by the men, surprises me.
    ii. Her “seeing someone” means “stop everything.”
  • I’ve slept with married women and women who are dating. Most women, and most people, want to upgrade, and are open to it. I’m seeing someone, too, but I’m looking to upgrade. Women are that same way. Most don’t want to be alone, especially when their friends are dating.
    iii. “You were pushy”
  • Women put up resistance to test a man’s persistence and to not appear easy and to see what he’ll do to gauge his reaction. You, T-Nation men, demonize me for persistence with women?! What’s wrong with this picture?

I’m a man looking to improve himself; I’m trying to start businesses, I started on a new workout routine, I’m lowering bf% from13-14 to 10%, I try to get more women, etc.

And you demonize me for trying to improve? What’s your philosophical basis for living, if not improvement and the finest of everything?[/quote]

You are creepy because of the attitude you present. You push…push…then tell them you “want the truth” like you expect lies. You show you have no respect for their answers to your questions either by saying you don’t care? Jinx and Julia are right on the mark here.

I can tell you women smell your desperation a mile away.

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
I am -amazed- by the responses my posts get on this form. This, of all forms. T-Nation! So far, you said:
i. It’s creepy or freaky to approach or talk to a woman.

  • I’m a man; I like women. Women don’t come up to men, it’s not their nature. It’s our nature to talk to them. We spoke in a coffee shop prior, and then I saw her leaving and wanted her in my life, so I went for it. Forget the stupid responses from the women on this forum, but to be demonized by the men, surprises me.
    ii. Her “seeing someone” means “stop everything.”
  • I’ve slept with married women and women who are dating. Most women, and most people, want to upgrade, and are open to it. I’m seeing someone, too, but I’m looking to upgrade. Women are that same way. Most don’t want to be alone, especially when their friends are dating.
    iii. “You were pushy”
  • Women put up resistance to test a man’s persistence and to not appear easy and to see what he’ll do to gauge his reaction. You, T-Nation men, demonize me for persistence with women?! What’s wrong with this picture?

I’m a man looking to improve himself; I’m trying to start businesses, I started on a new workout routine, I’m lowering bf% from13-14 to 10%, I try to get more women, etc.

And you demonize me for trying to improve? What’s your philosophical basis for living, if not improvement and the finest of everything?[/quote]

For the record, I don’t think approaching a woman is pushy, and some persistence is okay, as long as you’re willing to accept that if she tells you she’s seeing someone, that might be her message that she’s not entirely available. She might not be saying it as an FYI, she might be saying that she’s not interested.

And maybe she could be more direct, but many people, men and women, feel uncomfortable telling anyone, stranger, friend or otherwise, that they’re ‘not interested.’ It seems harsh and hurtful. That said, many of us women, not to mention many men, could benefit from stating things more clearly. I think living in a bit of a rough neighbourhood has been good for me in some ways, because if a random man on the street tries to start something with me now, I just shut it down right then and there. It ain’t sweet and nice the way us women are all raised to be, but it saves everyone (me) a lot of hassle and headaches.

Granted, I’m much more pleasant with normal guys (vs. dudes who hang out by the beer store on the corner of my street all day), but I’ve learned how to say, ‘thanks, but I’m not interested’ and be on my way, and I’m glad to have learned that skill.

Self-improvement is admirable, but it just seems, based on what you’ve said, that you don’t really like or respect women at all. I mean, you pretty much made that clear. So your motivations for being with a woman, as you’ve said, are strictly for sex. I’m guessing you also enjoy being seen with a beautiful woman on your arm.

But that attitude tells me that your idea of self-improvement wrt women is that hot = better, a beautiful woman gets you more respect from other men, and ‘improves’ your social status and that’s about the end of it.

Or maybe I’m wrong, and you overstated your disrespect for women. Perhaps you do want to meet someone who actually complements you, brings out the best in you, and helps you become a better person, by virtue of being a great person herself.

That’s why I said I feel sorry for you. I think everyone wants that. I feel sorry that you’ve obviously had trouble finding anything close to that, whatever the reasons may be.

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What are you calling “desperation”, exactly? For what?

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
I am -amazed- by the responses my posts get on this form. This, of all forms. T-Nation! So far, you said:
i. It’s creepy or freaky to approach or talk to a woman.

  • I’m a man; I like women. Women don’t come up to men, it’s not their nature. It’s our nature to talk to them. We spoke in a coffee shop prior, and then I saw her leaving and wanted her in my life, so I went for it. Forget the stupid responses from the women on this forum, but to be demonized by the men, surprises me.
    ii. Her “seeing someone” means “stop everything.”
  • I’ve slept with married women and women who are dating. Most women, and most people, want to upgrade, and are open to it. I’m seeing someone, too, but I’m looking to upgrade. Women are that same way. Most don’t want to be alone, especially when their friends are dating.
    iii. “You were pushy”
  • Women put up resistance to test a man’s persistence and to not appear easy and to see what he’ll do to gauge his reaction. You, T-Nation men, demonize me for persistence with women?! What’s wrong with this picture?

I’m a man looking to improve himself; I’m trying to start businesses, I started on a new workout routine, I’m lowering bf% from13-14 to 10%, I try to get more women, etc.

And you demonize me for trying to improve? What’s your philosophical basis for living, if not improvement and the finest of everything?[/quote]

I’ve been waiting for somebody to call bullshit on this. Although this is one of those funny threads we all like to kill a little time reading now and then, there is no way this guy is real.
This HAS to be a college room mate thing. Drink beer, fire up the ol computer and see if we can piss off the T-Nation bunch.
I don’t know about the “girl” part but I think the crazy thing is real.
ROFLMAO!!

Good job guys. Now, go do your homework.

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
I am -amazed- by the responses my posts get on this form. This, of all forms. T-Nation! So far, you said:
i. It’s creepy or freaky to approach or talk to a woman.

  • I’m a man; I like women. Women don’t come up to men, it’s not their nature. It’s our nature to talk to them. We spoke in a coffee shop prior, and then I saw her leaving and wanted her in my life, so I went for it. Forget the stupid responses from the women on this forum, but to be demonized by the men, surprises me.

ii. Her “seeing someone” means “stop everything.”

  • I’ve slept with married women and women who are dating. Most women, and most people, want to upgrade, and are open to it. I’m seeing someone, too, but I’m looking to upgrade. Women are that same way. Most don’t want to be alone, especially when their friends are dating.
    iii. “You were pushy”
  • Women put up resistance to test a man’s persistence and to not appear easy and to see what he’ll do to gauge his reaction. You, T-Nation men, demonize me for persistence with women?! What’s wrong with this picture?

I’m a man looking to improve himself; I’m trying to start businesses, I started on a new workout routine, I’m lowering bf% from13-14 to 10%, I try to get more women, etc.

And you demonize me for trying to improve? What’s your philosophical basis for living, if not improvement and the finest of everything?[/quote]

here is the deal mane:
I understand where your coming from. I wish I could get with every hot girl that walked by too (I love hot women arrrrrrrhhhhh)…its just not reality unless you have DOUGH, duckets, greens, bills, dividends, ect…most will drop their defenses quick if they smell a hundo in your pocket. you may be rich, you may not be. if its the latter of the two, quess what? you have to put up with games. You have to punch in the time card simple as that. Unless their a whore, which is un attractive trait in itself (but useful at times youknowhatimsayin?)

Women want security for the most part (always exceptions), they try to sniff that sh*t out before the panties drop bro, unless you happen to catch them at a horny moment of their life. Then they look for some arrogant, good looking, a$$wad to bone, and satisfy that craving. Then back to “provider” hunting.
there are exceptions to every rule and there are some authentically awesome women out there, its like finding a diamond in the rough.

But honestly if the girl just layed down on your first attempt wouldnt you lose respect for her? I think the chase is better than the catch sometimes.

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
What are you calling “desperation”, exactly? For what?[/quote]

See…you don’t even know what I’m talking about…you prove my point!

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Jinx,

Firstly, thanks for writing a normal thread.

You said that you learned this “valuable skill” of “shutting it down.” I would’ve sneered at that earlier; I just shrug now. There are many men who are all about, “Well, I learned a valuable skill of NEXTing. If she’s not into me, NEXT, her loss anyway.” I’ve always thought it was a stupid attitude. Because it’s not a problem with her, it’s a problem with her not being interested in what she sees. So… NEXTing isn’t really the actual solution to the actual problem; it’s a workaround.

But if “shutting it down” when men show interest in you is your focus, that’s your focus, god bless you.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, you say or ask what I want women for. Sex and arm candy. Yeah, basically. If they’re pleasant, it’s a bonus. But sex and arm candy.

I expect you’ll tell me about “women’s intuition.” That’s false. Ted Bundy wasn’t on their intuition radar. More to the point, tons of guys treat women in every which way and beautiful women stay with them.

So seeing them as beneficial because of sex and status isn’t a deal breaker particularly because they don’t know at first when we just chat.

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[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
I am -amazed- by the responses my posts get on this form. This, of all forms. T-Nation! So far, you said:
i. It’s creepy or freaky to approach or talk to a woman.

  • I’m a man; I like women. Women don’t come up to men, it’s not their nature. It’s our nature to talk to them. We spoke in a coffee shop prior, and then I saw her leaving and wanted her in my life, so I went for it. Forget the stupid responses from the women on this forum, but to be demonized by the men, surprises me.
    ii. Her “seeing someone” means “stop everything.”
  • I’ve slept with married women and women who are dating. Most women, and most people, want to upgrade, and are open to it. I’m seeing someone, too, but I’m looking to upgrade. Women are that same way. Most don’t want to be alone, especially when their friends are dating.
    iii. “You were pushy”
  • Women put up resistance to test a man’s persistence and to not appear easy and to see what he’ll do to gauge his reaction. You, T-Nation men, demonize me for persistence with women?! What’s wrong with this picture?

I’m a man looking to improve himself; I’m trying to start businesses, I started on a new workout routine, I’m lowering bf% from13-14 to 10%, I try to get more women, etc.

And you demonize me for trying to improve? What’s your philosophical basis for living, if not improvement and the finest of everything?[/quote]

I will learn to keep my mouth shut eventually, but today is not that day.

First of all, you said that you “wanted her in your life”. My guess was you really didn’t want her in your life, but you might have wanted her in your bed.

Secondly- If she is seeing someone, that means stop. She is taken, move on.

Third- you mentioned that people want to upgrade. What makes you think your and upgrade from her current man. She may be wildly in love with him, and even if not, what makes you sure your better? Just because your a cocky asshole? or maybe you are assuming your the only 24 year old that’s six one and finishing a graduate degree. You may have been only about half the man of her current man, she probably would have been downgraded if she got with you.

(this whole upgrade thing is why I will never have a successful relationship. It seems that anymore dating is more like shopping, where you list the +'s and -'s of potential mates, and select the model with the most features. I could not feel like I was always competing with every man that said hi to my girl (if I had one, which I don’t))

Sorry for my brief injunction into this thread

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Ted Bundy was a psychopath with an unusual ability to charm people he meant to harm. He was certainly an exceptional con-artist. Most people aren’t. And I’m willing to bet plenty of women were a bit put off by him too.

Anyway, I’m not saying that your attitude is putting women off, though I still expect it is. (And I’ve gotta point out that your reminder of all the beautiful women who are with assholes is not a great defense for yourself). I was just pointing out that people on this thread are responding to you negatively because you’ve clearly stated you have no respect for women as people.

It seems you take rejection very personally. The ‘NEXT’ guys have adopted the ‘NEXT’ attitude, in part, as a protective mechanism so they aren’t hurt by rejection.

But back to Barney’s point - honestly, so what if some girl isn’t interested? Who are you to say that she should be? You obviously don’t have enough faith that you’re a good guy to not need validation from a stranger - and I’m not surprised, because frankly you don’t sound like the nicest person. You seem to know that already, even if you justify it.

Every person has their own set of criteria for choosing a potential partner. Frankly, it’s just not your place to say what their criteria should be. I guess you need to find more women who like being with assholes (as you pointed out, there are plenty of them) - seems like maybe the ‘wrong women’ you tend to go for are women who like men who like women (as people, not objects).

Oh and as for calling ‘bullshit’ on this guy. Well, he’s posted 11 times, so the screen name was obviously created for this topic. But that’s okay, he’s still a just a guy wanting to vent about women, so let him. I’m still willing to provide another perspective for his benefit, if he wants it.

[quote]GirlCrazy wrote:
Jinx,

Firstly, thanks for writing a normal thread.

You said that you learned this “valuable skill” of “shutting it down.” I would’ve sneered at that earlier; I just shrug now. There are many men who are all about, “Well, I learned a valuable skill of NEXTing. If she’s not into me, NEXT, her loss anyway.”

I’ve always thought it was a stupid attitude. Because it’s not a problem with her, it’s a problem with her not being interested in what she sees. So… NEXTing isn’t really the actual solution to the actual problem; it’s a workaround.

But if “shutting it down” when men show interest in you is your focus, that’s your focus, god bless you.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, you say or ask what I want women for. Sex and arm candy. Yeah, basically. If they’re pleasant, it’s a bonus. But sex and arm candy.

I expect you’ll tell me about “women’s intuition.” That’s false. Ted Bundy wasn’t on their intuition radar. More to the point, tons of guys treat women in every which way and beautiful women stay with them.

So seeing them as beneficial because of sex and status isn’t a deal breaker particularly because they don’t know at first when we just chat.[/quote]