Texas Judge Beats Daughter with Belt

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve read practically none of the posts here but did watch the video.

Regardless of how one feels about this beating or spanking in general the girl IMO was clearly showboating. She set up the camera and then did a bunch of acting. She purposely defied her parent’s orders to bend over properly so she would receive the beating on her behind. She knew the tape was rolling and played the situation.

She knew EXACTLY what she was doing and why.[/quote]

Yeah, she should have bent over properly like a woman in order to take a beating from a sadistic monster.

It’s her fault for making him look bad.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:
I dunno if beating your child is a good idea. Even if kids do something wrong, that is not an excuse to use physical punishment. In your head you might think that it is ok, as long as it is justified by the level of misbehavior the child makes.
From all the countries I’ve been, the ones that have this belief that its ok to spank your kid are the US and Mexico… one likes to make war all over the world, the other likes to make war on its own land with its own ppl. So yeah, i think that is not the correct strategy for educating a child, I mean if he did something so wrong that it deserves physical punishment then you need to hit yourself for not knowing how to raise a kid and just procreating because you are horny.
In japan for example,they don�´t spank or beat their kids, and they seem to be doing ok, their crime rate is very low and in general they are very friendly ppl. [/quote]

Yeah and Japan aint ever gone to war with anybody.

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Never in the words I just wrote I said that Japan hasn´t been to war. As every other country in the world Japan has made mistakes, and wars. But I don´t know what your argument has to do with the topic on this thread.

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[quote]Mettahl wrote:
“Lol” at adults without children being pseudo-adults. Are the many people that never want to be breeders forever confined to immaturity?[/quote]

It certainly contributes, yes. Obviously there are exceptions.

Mother Teresa, for an obvious one.

War heros, for others

But for those of us who aren neither saints and war heros, having the over-riding responsibility of childen — supplying their daily needs from feeding them, to wiping their rear ends, to teaching them to read, to keeping them safe, to providing for them financially, to teaching them to be responsible, to loving them — is THE daily ominipresent feature in a responsible parent.

There is no going out and getting drunk when the kids get up at 7:00 AM.

There is little but going to work, coming home, going to a store, going to Shul. Repeat.

This is especially true for a single parent.

The burden forces us to think 100% of someone else 100% of the time.

And, yes, that burden makes us better people.

Can someone be among the Righteous Among the Nations (not in the Shoa sense of the term, but as a responsible, giving adult who would be with G-d) without childen?

Sure.

But someone who calls parents “breeders” is almost certainly not among the Righteous, and likely never will be.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:
I dunno if beating your child is a good idea. Even if kids do something wrong, that is not an excuse to use physical punishment. In your head you might think that it is ok, as long as it is justified by the level of misbehavior the child makes.
From all the countries I’ve been, the ones that have this belief that its ok to spank your kid are the US and Mexico… one likes to make war all over the world, the other likes to make war on its own land with its own ppl. So yeah, i think that is not the correct strategy for educating a child, I mean if he did something so wrong that it deserves physical punishment then you need to hit yourself for not knowing how to raise a kid and just procreating because you are horny.
In japan for example,they don�´t spank or beat their kids, and they seem to be doing ok, their crime rate is very low and in general they are very friendly ppl. [/quote]

Yeah and Japan aint ever gone to war with anybody.

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And Germany. And China. And Russia.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:
I dunno if beating your child is a good idea. Even if kids do something wrong, that is not an excuse to use physical punishment. In your head you might think that it is ok, as long as it is justified by the level of misbehavior the child makes.
From all the countries I’ve been, the ones that have this belief that its ok to spank your kid are the US and Mexico… one likes to make war all over the world, the other likes to make war on its own land with its own ppl. So yeah, i think that is not the correct strategy for educating a child, I mean if he did something so wrong that it deserves physical punishment then you need to hit yourself for not knowing how to raise a kid and just procreating because you are horny.
In japan for example,they don�??�?�´t spank or beat their kids, and they seem to be doing ok, their crime rate is very low and in general they are very friendly ppl. [/quote]

Yeah and Japan aint ever gone to war with anybody.

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Never in the words I just wrote I said that Japan hasn�?�´t been to war. As every other country in the world Japan has made mistakes, and wars. But I don�?�´t know what your argument has to do with the topic on this thread.
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You must not have read your own post that I was responding to.[/quote]

Maybe not, but I reread it and I was talking about spanking kids, not japanese war history, I think you were off topic a little.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
What age do you no longer blame the parents? When does an individual become responsible for their own actions?
[/quote]These are some interesting questions. I think 14-18 is about right. By that time kids can tell right from wrong, but may not necessarily understand the full consequences of their actions.
But I’d say 99% of the time a child turns out to be a “bad apple” the parents likely had something to do with it. So you can always blame the parents, just not necessarily punish them. A lot of our development is environmental, and our parents have a pretty big stake in how we turn out. Doesn’t matter whether they realize it or not. And a lot of parents are in denial about this I think. You could take a parent that does drugs and beats their kids every other day and ask them, “Do you think you’re a good parent?” And they will always say yes or that they did the best they could and they love their kids. It almost seems biological the psychology of shitty parents raising their kids the way they do and justifying it in their heads.

About video: 16 definitely seems too old to spank with a belt. They didn’t even take the computer away from her. They could have taken it away to punish her or taken more privileges away. There just seems like better options for punishment in this case. And if you still have to beat your kid at 16+, you probably already failed them as a parent.

At some point when your kid is old enough you’re just causing unnecessary trauma and making your kids afraid of you (when you physically hurt them) instead of fixing/helping their behavior.

I think you’re really just rolling the dice with your kids anyway when disciplining them at a young age. Some are going to respond more to physical pain, others to being grounded or having things taken away from them. Some are going to be hurt more by different forms of punishment. There is no universal best way to deal with every child.

I kind of laugh at the idea this was staged. She probably tried to catch it on video, but she wasn’t acting or begging for a spanking. I bet she forgot about the camera real quick when he came through the room and started hitting her. The beating wasn’t physically bad, it was just the emotional trauma of being beaten by a parent and that’s why she was crying and not bending over to get spanked. Just like a young child that barely gets smacked on the hand by a parent and begins crying. It’s not because the physical pain is so intense, but because someone they loved hurt them.

I was just as defiant when I was 6-7 years old and getting spanked. I would refuse to bend over and the punishment would just get worse until I did. I even locked my room so my Dad couldn’t get in for a short time. I was terrified of my Dad. It definitely hurts more mentally/emotionally than it does physically, at least until something gets broken. That’s why she was making a big fuss over what appears to be nothing and why it seems “staged”.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve read practically none of the posts here but did watch the video.

Regardless of how one feels about this beating or spanking in general the girl IMO was clearly showboating. She set up the camera and then did a bunch of acting. She purposely defied her parent’s orders to bend over properly so she would receive the beating on her behind. She knew the tape was rolling and played the situation.

She knew EXACTLY what she was doing and why.[/quote]

Yeah, she should have bent over properly like a woman in order to take a beating from a sadistic monster.

It’s her fault for making him look bad.

[/quote]

I didn’t stick up for the dad. Even though I believe in corporal punishment the dad was clearly out of line.

But she specifically went out of her way to make it turn out as bad as possible. FOR THE CAMERA.

[/quote]

Sure. She was acting and being beat with a belt really isn’t all that bad.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:
I dunno if beating your child is a good idea. Even if kids do something wrong, that is not an excuse to use physical punishment. In your head you might think that it is ok, as long as it is justified by the level of misbehavior the child makes.
From all the countries I’ve been, the ones that have this belief that its ok to spank your kid are the US and Mexico… one likes to make war all over the world, the other likes to make war on its own land with its own ppl. So yeah, i think that is not the correct strategy for educating a child, I mean if he did something so wrong that it deserves physical punishment then you need to hit yourself for not knowing how to raise a kid and just procreating because you are horny.
In japan for example,they don�??�??�??�?�´t spank or beat their kids, and they seem to be doing ok, their crime rate is very low and in general they are very friendly ppl. [/quote]

Yeah and Japan aint ever gone to war with anybody.

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Never in the words I just wrote I said that Japan hasn�??�??�?�´t been to war. As every other country in the world Japan has made mistakes, and wars. But I don�??�??�?�´t know what your argument has to do with the topic on this thread.
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You must not have read your own post that I was responding to.[/quote]

Maybe not, but I reread it and I was talking about spanking kids, not japanese war history, I think you were off topic a little.

[/quote]

OK, I game. I’m going to help you out with your very own post.

Combine:

and you end up having a problem. Do you understand what the problem is or do you want me to lovingly and patiently spell it our for you?[/quote]

I never said japan have never been to war, I fail to see your point.

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[quote]Turiel wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:
I dunno if beating your child is a good idea. Even if kids do something wrong, that is not an excuse to use physical punishment. In your head you might think that it is ok, as long as it is justified by the level of misbehavior the child makes.
From all the countries I’ve been, the ones that have this belief that its ok to spank your kid are the US and Mexico… one likes to make war all over the world, the other likes to make war on its own land with its own ppl. So yeah, i think that is not the correct strategy for educating a child, I mean if he did something so wrong that it deserves physical punishment then you need to hit yourself for not knowing how to raise a kid and just procreating because you are horny.
In japan for example,they don�??�??�??�??�?�´t spank or beat their kids, and they seem to be doing ok, their crime rate is very low and in general they are very friendly ppl. [/quote]

Yeah and Japan aint ever gone to war with anybody.

[/quote]

Never in the words I just wrote I said that Japan hasn�??�??�??�?�´t been to war. As every other country in the world Japan has made mistakes, and wars. But I don�??�??�??�?�´t know what your argument has to do with the topic on this thread.
[/quote]

You must not have read your own post that I was responding to.[/quote]

Maybe not, but I reread it and I was talking about spanking kids, not japanese war history, I think you were off topic a little.

[/quote]

OK, I game. I’m going to help you out with your very own post.

Combine:

and you end up having a problem. Do you understand what the problem is or do you want me to lovingly and patiently spell it our for you?[/quote]

I never said japan have never been to war, I fail to see your point.
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Mexico and US spank their kids and make war, you are therefore inferring that Japan doesn’t make war because they don’t spank their children.

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[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve read practically none of the posts here but did watch the video.

Regardless of how one feels about this beating or spanking in general the girl IMO was clearly showboating. She set up the camera and then did a bunch of acting. She purposely defied her parent’s orders to bend over properly so she would receive the beating on her behind. She knew the tape was rolling and played the situation.

She knew EXACTLY what she was doing and why.[/quote]

Yeah, she should have bent over properly like a woman in order to take a beating from a sadistic monster.

It’s her fault for making him look bad.

[/quote]

I didn’t stick up for the dad. Even though I believe in corporal punishment the dad was clearly out of line.

But she specifically went out of her way to make it turn out as bad as possible. FOR THE CAMERA.

[/quote]

Sure. She was acting and being beat with a belt really isn’t all that bad.[/quote]

are you even reading the posts christine? He never said that being beaten with a belt really isnt all that bad. He specifically said that “the dad was clearly out of line”

What are you even talking about? Just arguing and projecting for the sake of it?

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[quote]Turiel wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Turiel wrote:
I dunno if beating your child is a good idea. Even if kids do something wrong, that is not an excuse to use physical punishment. In your head you might think that it is ok, as long as it is justified by the level of misbehavior the child makes.
From all the countries I’ve been, the ones that have this belief that its ok to spank your kid are the US and Mexico… one likes to make war all over the world, the other likes to make war on its own land with its own ppl. So yeah, i think that is not the correct strategy for educating a child, I mean if he did something so wrong that it deserves physical punishment then you need to hit yourself for not knowing how to raise a kid and just procreating because you are horny.
In japan for example,they don�??�??�??�??�?�´t spank or beat their kids, and they seem to be doing ok, their crime rate is very low and in general they are very friendly ppl. [/quote]

Yeah and Japan aint ever gone to war with anybody.

[/quote]

Never in the words I just wrote I said that Japan hasn�??�??�??�?�´t been to war. As every other country in the world Japan has made mistakes, and wars. But I don�??�??�??�?�´t know what your argument has to do with the topic on this thread.
[/quote]

You must not have read your own post that I was responding to.[/quote]

Maybe not, but I reread it and I was talking about spanking kids, not japanese war history, I think you were off topic a little.

[/quote]

OK, I game. I’m going to help you out with your very own post.

Combine:

and you end up having a problem. Do you understand what the problem is or do you want me to lovingly and patiently spell it our for you?[/quote]

I never said japan have never been to war, I fail to see your point.
[/quote]

You are unbelievably stupid.

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I am interested in what people think of the mother.

The statement made by the daughter seems to defend her and place blame on the father, but my thoughts on the topic is that I actually place equal if not as much blame on the mother because she was in a position to stand up to the husband and run interference for the daughter.

Instead, she basically facilitated the process and turned into some kind of demented cheer leader as the process progressed.

This whole concept of ‘brainwashed’ and ‘emotionally abused’ are entirely over used by Women’s Advocacy groups to the point where I basically groan every time I hear them. Their credibility, IMO, is terrible and they use these terms almost exclusively to absolve women in their fold for accountability for past, present and future actions.

If I were to speak to the daughter I would tell her that her mother is as much, if not more, to blame for what happened to her simply because she was in a position to run intervene and instead grabbed her skirt and pom poms and started a cheer…give me an A…give me an S, give me another S…what’s that spell, ASS WHOOPIN!!! YEAH!!! WOO HOO!!! Here’s the big belt baby, give her one for me!!!

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve read practically none of the posts here but did watch the video.

Regardless of how one feels about this beating or spanking in general the girl IMO was clearly showboating. She set up the camera and then did a bunch of acting. She purposely defied her parent’s orders to bend over properly so she would receive the beating on her behind. She knew the tape was rolling and played the situation.

She knew EXACTLY what she was doing and why.[/quote]

Yeah, she should have bent over properly like a woman in order to take a beating from a sadistic monster.

It’s her fault for making him look bad.

[/quote]

I didn’t stick up for the dad. Even though I believe in corporal punishment the dad was clearly out of line.

But she specifically went out of her way to make it turn out as bad as possible. FOR THE CAMERA.

[/quote]

Sure. She was acting and being beat with a belt really isn’t all that bad.[/quote]

are you even reading the posts christine? He never said that being beaten with a belt really isnt all that bad. He specifically said that “the dad was clearly out of line”

What are you even talking about? Just arguing and projecting for the sake of it?[/quote]

He only said that after I called him out.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve read practically none of the posts here but did watch the video.

Regardless of how one feels about this beating or spanking in general the girl IMO was clearly showboating. She set up the camera and then did a bunch of acting. She purposely defied her parent’s orders to bend over properly so she would receive the beating on her behind. She knew the tape was rolling and played the situation.

She knew EXACTLY what she was doing and why.[/quote]

No I’m not putting words in your mouth.

You say she is showboating.

Why would she need to ‘showboat’?