^^Of course you do! He’s been to a million bars in his long lifetime. How many people can say that?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Thats cool man, when was the last time you had short hair.[/quote]
I’ve had it long since 1990. I cut it somewhat short in '93. Then in '05 I cut 6" off it (to Cobain length).
This is the shortest it’s been since the 80’s!
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I think you, BG and I should all get a few drinks together sometime.[/quote]
let’s do it.
[/quote]
Any time and any place, my friend!
Are you sure we both want to sit and drink with that upstart FightingIrish?
[/quote]
Man I been trying to get you out for the longest!
As for FI, I’ll buy the first round since I’ve pissed him off at one point or another…figure I owe that much. LOL
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Don’t want her downloading music illegally? Take the computer away.[/quote]
I don’t think that children should have unfettered internet access period.
The computer should be in a family area with the computer screen facing outward.
[/quote]
Just to play devil’s advocate:
At what age do you stop removing the temptation and actually teach your child how to make quality choices in the face of temptation?
If you say: “Do not got to www.fuckedupinternetshit.com” and he does, you take away the computer/internet for a period of time, fine, but to try and shelter him from the temptation forever, by never allowing him to make a choice and accept responcibily for that choice, you aren’t teaching anything. You are just defering the learning until later in life, when you may not be there to help pick up the pieces.
Every kid is going to be different, the ages & situations you allow your child to try (and maybe fail) at making their own choices are going to be different. But you have to be careful to not shelter.
(I think this is what DJ was getting at earlier. Not so much a commentary on the actual OP, but just a commentary on kids in general.)
The above has little to do with the OP or thread topic. I do not agree with that Father’s punishment, nor with his behavior in responce to the video. I am not passing judgement on anyone or anything else in respect to people’s parenting styles or views.
^ Lol thanks Beans, I was also trying to have an intelligent discussion on child rearing instead of the rehash of arguing over corporal punishment. That has been gone over ad fucking nausea, but well you saw how that turned out.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Lol thanks Beans, I was also trying to have an intelligent discussion on child rearing instead of the rehash of arguing over corporal punishment. That has been gone over ad fucking nausea, but well you saw how that turned out. [/quote]
Shyt brother, My questions on that got the duece each and everytime I put it down. I’m catching on though.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Thats cool man, when was the last time you had short hair.[/quote]
I’ve had it long since 1990. I cut it somewhat short in '93. Then in '05 I cut 6" off it (to Cobain length).
This is the shortest it’s been since the 80’s!
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I think you, BG and I should all get a few drinks together sometime.[/quote]
let’s do it.
[/quote]
Any time and any place, my friend!
Are you sure we both want to sit and drink with that upstart FightingIrish?
[/quote]
Man I been trying to get you out for the longest!
As for FI, I’ll buy the first round since I’ve pissed him off at one point or another…figure I owe that much. LOL[/quote]
haha I’d actually be down for this, but I think you guys are pretty far from where I am.
Iron Dwarf aren’t you in South Jersey?[/quote]
Yeah… near Cherry Hill. I’m 20 minutes from Philly, and about 1.5 hours from NYC.
I really wanna do this! Holidays ahead are tough to plan around. Maybe in the new year? Let’s see.
^Don’t Lie push…You have this on a 45 dontcha
[quote]four60 wrote:
^Don’t Lie push…You have this on a 45 dontcha[/quote]
Don’t kid yourself. He has the entire album. One on vinyl, and one on CD.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
^Don’t Lie push…You have this on a 45 dontcha[/quote]
Don’t kid yourself. He has the entire album. One on vinyl, and one on CD.
[/quote]
hahahah, Well thats cool at least he wont need that little spacer clip to hold it in place on his turn table.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
^Don’t Lie push…You have this on a 45 dontcha[/quote]
Don’t kid yourself. He has the entire album. One on vinyl, and one on CD.
[/quote]
hahahah, Well thats cool at least he wont need that little spacer clip to hold it in place on his turn table.[/quote]
LOL!
I love that the young folk here wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
^Don’t Lie push…You have this on a 45 dontcha[/quote]
Don’t kid yourself. He has the entire album. One on vinyl, and one on CD.
[/quote]
hahahah, Well thats cool at least he wont need that little spacer clip to hold it in place on his turn table.[/quote]
LOL!
I love that the young folk here wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
[/quote]
HA, yeah they may be able to google 45 or turn table but the spacer is lost for the ages.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
^Don’t Lie push…You have this on a 45 dontcha[/quote]
Don’t kid yourself. He has the entire album. One on vinyl, and one on CD.
[/quote]
hahahah, Well thats cool at least he wont need that little spacer clip to hold it in place on his turn table.[/quote]
LOL!
I love that the young folk here wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
[/quote]
The playlist of my childhood was mostly recorded on 8-track tapes.
Most of them melted on the front seat my parent’s Pontiac a long time ago.
Unfortunate.
I still find myself humming something from the Neil Diamond Hits tape now and then, so not everything was lost.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Thats cool man, when was the last time you had short hair.[/quote]
I’ve had it long since 1990. I cut it somewhat short in '93. Then in '05 I cut 6" off it (to Cobain length).
This is the shortest it’s been since the 80’s!
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I think you, BG and I should all get a few drinks together sometime.[/quote]
let’s do it.
[/quote]
Any time and any place, my friend!
Are you sure we both want to sit and drink with that upstart FightingIrish?
[/quote]
Man I been trying to get you out for the longest!
As for FI, I’ll buy the first round since I’ve pissed him off at one point or another…figure I owe that much. LOL[/quote]
haha I’d actually be down for this, but I think you guys are pretty far from where I am.
Iron Dwarf aren’t you in South Jersey?[/quote]
Yeah… near Cherry Hill. I’m 20 minutes from Philly, and about 1.5 hours from NYC.
I really wanna do this! Holidays ahead are tough to plan around. Maybe in the new year? Let’s see.
[/quote]
we can’t be far. ID you’re about 20 min from Trenton and I’m the furthest South but I don’t mind. I go up toward trenton all the time this time of year (“nephew” plays basketball for trenton catholic).
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Thread reminds me of this:
That’s not abuse.
It’s late term abortion.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Don’t want her downloading music illegally? Take the computer away.[/quote]
I don’t think that children should have unfettered internet access period.
The computer should be in a family area with the computer screen facing outward.
[/quote]
Just to play devil’s advocate:
At what age do you stop removing the temptation and actually teach your child how to make quality choices in the face of temptation?
If you say: “Do not got to www.fuckedupinternetshit.com” and he does, you take away the computer/internet for a period of time, fine, but to try and shelter him from the temptation forever, by never allowing him to make a choice and accept responcibily for that choice, you aren’t teaching anything. You are just defering the learning until later in life, when you may not be there to help pick up the pieces.
Every kid is going to be different, the ages & situations you allow your child to try (and maybe fail) at making their own choices are going to be different. But you have to be careful to not shelter.
(I think this is what DJ was getting at earlier. Not so much a commentary on the actual OP, but just a commentary on kids in general.)
The above has little to do with the OP or thread topic. I do not agree with that Father’s punishment, nor with his behavior in responce to the video. I am not passing judgement on anyone or anything else in respect to people’s parenting styles or views.[/quote]
Well, you should be teaching them all along.
But, as far as the computer goes, kids generally don’t make really good choices (I know I sure as hell didn’t and it had nothing to do with my parents. I was very defiant and stubborn).
Anyway, I really do think that computer use should be monitored because of the tendency for children to make stupid mistakes and the fact that the internet is filled with sociopathic weirdos (just look at you all).
Kids have to learn how to make choices, but when the wrong choice could get them hurt, the parents need to step up and intervene.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Thread reminds me of this:
that woman has a personality disorder
is an extreme example on the spectrum
dude in belt-whipping video is doing version of this, too
posturing oneself as a martyr to one’s disobedient or ill children
so that all the praise rains down on you suffering them
and all the blame on them for afflicting you
while either taking steps to ensure the condition persists
or through negligence, allowing it to in order to justify ongoing cruelty
in milder forms, people ‘do it for their children’ (put up with something like a job they hate)
so they can blame the children
take credit for being self-sacrificing
not have to take any chances or face reality that they were never good enough to do something;
they didn’t ‘give up their singing career’ or whatever to ‘make a secure home for their children’
they just retreated into less-than they felt they deserved in life
and blamed their children for ‘holding them back’
of course the resentment seeps out of them and they lie to themselves so cunningly
that they re-name their craven desires like this guy has done:
gets off on whipping a helpless girl
is simply not reasonable to be that angry about that issue
does not want to think about a suitable way to deal with it
wants to react in the moment because, as he says, he wants to ‘get his licks in’
if he waits until the next day, he will have considered that the solution is to move the computer out of her room
but he doesn’t want to do that
he wants what he wants
since no one could stop him but him
he took what he wanted
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Lol thanks Beans, I was also trying to have an intelligent discussion on child rearing instead of the rehash of arguing over corporal punishment. That has been gone over ad fucking nausea, but well you saw how that turned out. [/quote]
From my observations, child rearing is on of the more difficult tasks that anyone may chose to undertake. It takes a minimum of 18 years to complete, and many of those years are thankless.
Children one’s drain energy, finances, time and patience.
Considering how easy it is to make a child and how difficult it is to raise them, it amazes me that so many turn out to be productive members of society.
Anyway, my observations from watching my brother and SIL. (Kids aged 5&7)
No T.V.: They don’t watch any T.V. They are read to, and now they read for themselves. Both are well ahead of their peers in reading and math skills. Additionally, the television has never been used as a babysitter. They have imaginations and can play nicely by themselves, but are also given loads of attention by both parents when it is needed.
Boundaries: The SIL’s theory is that children desperately want boundaries and consistency in their application. Kids will try to test them all the time, but so long as the parent is consistent in the enforcement, they eventually tire and stop.
Diet: Don’t know how they did it, but the kids love fruits and vegetables. (Not all, but they will snack on vegetables when put in front of them.)
Financial: They are given an allowance. 1/3 is to be saved, 1/3 may be spent on themselves and 1/3 is to be spend on others.
I am sure there are more points, but these are the ones that come to mind quickly.
(They also have never been hit).
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Don’t want her downloading music illegally? Take the computer away.[/quote]
I don’t think that children should have unfettered internet access period.
The computer should be in a family area with the computer screen facing outward.
[/quote]
Just to play devil’s advocate:
At what age do you stop removing the temptation and actually teach your child how to make quality choices in the face of temptation?
If you say: “Do not got to www.fuckedupinternetshit.com” and he does, you take away the computer/internet for a period of time, fine, but to try and shelter him from the temptation forever, by never allowing him to make a choice and accept responcibily for that choice, you aren’t teaching anything. You are just defering the learning until later in life, when you may not be there to help pick up the pieces.
Every kid is going to be different, the ages & situations you allow your child to try (and maybe fail) at making their own choices are going to be different. But you have to be careful to not shelter.
(I think this is what DJ was getting at earlier. Not so much a commentary on the actual OP, but just a commentary on kids in general.)
The above has little to do with the OP or thread topic. I do not agree with that Father’s punishment, nor with his behavior in responce to the video. I am not passing judgement on anyone or anything else in respect to people’s parenting styles or views.[/quote]
Well, you should be teaching them all along.
But, as far as the computer goes, kids generally don’t make really good choices (I know I sure as hell didn’t and it had nothing to do with my parents. I was very defiant and stubborn).
Anyway, I really do think that computer use should be monitored because of the tendency for children to make stupid mistakes and the fact that the internet is filled with sociopathic weirdos (just look at you all).
Kids have to learn how to make choices, but when the wrong choice could get them hurt, the parents need to step up and intervene.
[/quote]
Each kid is different, they learn different, act different and respond differently situations. You adjust to the needs of the kid. There’s no one way.
If you want a behavior to stop, then you address the behavior and it’s source. You punish according to need. If corporal punishment is needed. Be sparing, make a lot of noise and don’t go nuts. If you can’t control yourself don’t expect the kid too.
The biggest thing I found with kids is they just want to be treated like regular people. That’s all they are, are miniature people. You’d be surprised at how many people fuck that up. They’re either waaaaaaay to patsy, accommodating…Don’t spoil them, don’t change who you are just because you’re a parent.
There’s a lot I can say about it. Best thing I can say, is be real, be honest, hug and tell them you love them everyday no matter what.
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Lol thanks Beans, I was also trying to have an intelligent discussion on child rearing instead of the rehash of arguing over corporal punishment. That has been gone over ad fucking nausea, but well you saw how that turned out. [/quote]
From my observations, child rearing is on of the more difficult tasks that anyone may chose to undertake. It takes a minimum of 18 years to complete, and many of those years are thankless.
Children one’s drain energy, finances, time and patience.
Considering how easy it is to make a child and how difficult it is to raise them, it amazes me that so many turn out to be productive members of society.
Anyway, my observations from watching my brother and SIL. (Kids aged 5&7)
No T.V.: They don’t watch any T.V. They are read to, and now they read for themselves. Both are well ahead of their peers in reading and math skills. Additionally, the television has never been used as a babysitter. They have imaginations and can play nicely by themselves, but are also given loads of attention by both parents when it is needed.
Boundaries: The SIL’s theory is that children desperately want boundaries and consistency in their application. Kids will try to test them all the time, but so long as the parent is consistent in the enforcement, they eventually tire and stop.
Diet: Don’t know how they did it, but the kids love fruits and vegetables. (Not all, but they will snack on vegetables when put in front of them.)
Financial: They are given an allowance. 1/3 is to be saved, 1/3 may be spent on themselves and 1/3 is to be spend on others.
I am sure there are more points, but these are the ones that come to mind quickly.
(They also have never been hit).
[/quote]
Yeah, making them ain’t all fun and games. Fucking is fun and all that, but pregnancy kinda sucks. But some women breeze through it some have all kinds of issues.