[quote]rainjack wrote:
Bush will never gain over 700 yards per season. [/quote]
The one thing about pro sports is never say never.
[quote]A-Town Crown wrote:
My predictions were way off. I can’t believe the Raiders passed on Leinart. I’m sure Huff is a Polamalu type player but Leinart=pin point accuracy to Porter, Moss, and Curry. Don’t unsterstand that at all. They must think another QB of Leinarts caliber is somewhere else in there future (ya right).
The Steelers must’ve been high on Holmes cause they gave up two picks to grab him when they couldve had someone just as capable at the last pick in the 1st.[/quote]
I think you’ll look back and see the wisdom.
Not a fan of Leinart. I think Cutler or that QB from Bama–Cody or Brody is much better pick. And I’ll bet he’s available for a better price tag.
Why let Antwaan Randle El go if you are going to trade up to get someone that may or may not work out for you? I don’t get it.
[quote]doogie wrote:
A-Town Crown wrote:
The Steelers must’ve been high on Holmes cause they gave up two picks to grab him when they couldve had someone just as capable at the last pick in the 1st.
Why let Antwaan Randle El go if you are going to trade up to get someone that may or may not work out for you? I don’t get it.
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The upside for Holmes is huge. What do you see in El? I see him as a jack-of-all-trades kinda guy. Good at a couple spots,but Holmes has a chance to be great at WR.
I think you’ll see a new and improved Steeler offense. He’ll compliment Ward and now with that faster back–look out.
Raiders can’t draft. I could go on and on about who they should have gotten this year, last year, the previous year, but…
Al Davis, stop fucking up my team…I mean YOUR team. Bastard.
[quote]doogie wrote:
A-Town Crown wrote:
The Steelers must’ve been high on Holmes cause they gave up two picks to grab him when they couldve had someone just as capable at the last pick in the 1st.
Why let Antwaan Randle El go if you are going to trade up to get someone that may or may not work out for you? I don’t get it.
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ARE, despite all the hype and love he got in the FA market, was really nothing more than a glorified slot receiver. The Redskins overpaid for him BIG TIME.
Holmes has ARE type explosiveness, greater straight line speed, and better hands. Plus he’s a good return guy, which was a definite need for them. They only gave up the 32nd picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds. They already had two picks in each of those rounds (compensatories for the losses of Plaxico Burress and Kendrell Bell), which was entirely too many. Honestly, I’m surprised they didn’t wait to move up in the second round and grab LenDale White, but I guess they’re happy with Duce, Fast Willie, and Verron Haynes.
I think picking Holmes could give the Steelers an explosiveness that they haven’t had since the days of Stalworth and Swann. Good move.
Not a fan of Leinart. I think Cutler or that QB from Bama–Cody or Brody is much better pick. And I’ll bet he’s available for a better price tag.
I’ll take your comments as to what you know about footy. What makes you think Croyles game is better? Maybe Bamas Offensive #s this year? Cause the last game I saw Bama was one of the worst offensive teams in college football. Leinart was 15 of 17 passes at one point in the Rose Bowl. You can’t put any of that loss on his shoulders.
Please enlighten me how you think Croyles a much better pick (or even Cutler). I don’t mean to argue who’s better but please enlighten me. It would really make my day.
I don’t remember either of those guys even being mentioned EVER for the heisman. There’s 32 other teams that would’ve taken Leinart before either of those guys. What do you know that they don’t.
Sorry, I’m from the Pac so maybe I’m being a little bias. Cutler (a slight chance) but brodie fckn Croyle.
[quote]doogie wrote:
A-Town Crown wrote:
The Steelers must’ve been high on Holmes cause they gave up two picks to grab him when they couldve had someone just as capable at the last pick in the 1st.
Why let Antwaan Randle El go if you are going to trade up to get someone that may or may not work out for you? I don’t get it.
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$$$$ Steelers have a history of letting freeagents go because other teams are willing to overpay.
Holmes has ARE type explosiveness, greater straight line speed, and better hands. Plus he’s a good return guy, which was a definite need for them. They only gave up the 32nd picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds. They already had two picks in each of those rounds (compensatories for the losses of Plaxico Burress and Kendrell Bell), which was entirely too many. Honestly, I’m surprised they didn’t wait to move up in the second round and grab LenDale White, but I guess they’re happy with Duce, Fast Willie, and Verron Haynes
ARE can do the thing that alot of teams are going to try and run and the play that put the nail in the coffin of my Hawks (like the refs weren’t enough). The gadget.
If just one of those calls goes are way(like everyone of em should’ve) it changes the whole outlook of the game at the end. Were only down 1 score that last drive (when we should’ve been ahead lol).
Sorry if I sound like I’m whining. It’s just the Steelers didn’t deserve that W and it meant alot more to us than it did to them (maybe not Cowher). I’m happy we made it though, but to lose like that was tough.
You guys who think Bush is overrated are damn fools. Bush is the best RB since Barry Sanders. He is an incredible talent and will be a superstar in the NFL.
[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
You guys who think Bush is overrated are damn fools. Bush is the best RB since Barry Sanders. He is an incredible talent and will be a superstar in the NFL.[/quote]
Being a superstar doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot in a team sport.
Barry Sanders:
YEAR Regular Season Playoff
1989 7-9 nope
1990 6-10 nope
1991 12-4 1-1
1992 5-11 nope
1993 10-6 0-1
1994 9-7 0-1
1995 10-6 0-1
1996 5-11 nope
1997 9-7 0-1
1998 5-11 nope
10yrs 78-82 1-5
10 years and 5 losing seasons, 1 play-off win.
[quote]A-Town Crown wrote:
Not a fan of Leinart. I think Cutler or that QB from Bama–Cody or Brody is much better pick. And I’ll bet he’s available for a better price tag.
I’ll take your comments as to what you know about footy. What makes you think Croyles game is better? Maybe Bamas Offensive #s this year? Cause the last game I saw Bama was one of the worst offensive teams in college football. Leinart was 15 of 17 passes at one point in the Rose Bowl. You can’t put any of that loss on his shoulders.
Please enlighten me how you think Croyles a much better pick (or even Cutler). I don’t mean to argue who’s better but please enlighten me. It would really make my day.
I don’t remember either of those guys even being mentioned EVER for the heisman. There’s 32 other teams that would’ve taken Leinart before either of those guys. What do you know that they don’t.
Sorry, I’m from the Pac so maybe I’m being a little bias. Cutler (a slight chance) but brodie fckn Croyle.
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Since when has the Heisman meant anything wrt QB’s and NFL talent/ability. I respect Leinart’s college game, I don’t, however, like his arm strength or mobility. He played on one of the most advanced college offenses so that is a plus, but he won’t be passing against PAC-10 defenses anymore. Speed kills–especially statuesque qb’s.
Cutler–better arm strength and I like his Farve-like mentality. He’s a leader and much more mobile than Leinart.
Coyle–This guy has better arm strength and mechanics than Leinart. Strong, somewhat mobile and one hell of a leader. Obviously didn’t play on an offensively loaded team like Leinart, but did well with what he had. Remember, his fav. long target broke his ankle mid-way through the season.
As for my ‘footy’ knowlege.
Been involved all my life. Also, my brother is in the NFL. For the past 10 years he has made personel decisions for the Jetsw/Parcells, Patriotsw/Belichek, and was the main man pulling the plug for the 49’ers yesterday and today. The bastard took my TE at 6 that I was hoping the Pack would draft at 5.
I don’t remember Croyle doing much. There passing attack was ranked 69th in the nation. SC was 5th, talk about having better players all you want. Leinart had more to do with that passing attack than anyone on that team.
Leinart is alot like Brady and Montana coming out, not the greatest arm strength but they show up on gameday. They have the one thing you cannot teach in the NFL. Being a winner.
You go draft Cutler or Croyle ahead of Leinart, and I’ll take Leinart and we’ll see who has the better production. Then you can tell me about his arm strength. It’s not about arm strength as to mentality. You don’t think Leinart and LenDale are going to be coming in with a chip on their shoulders after that draft?
I’ll take pin point accuracy over arm strength any day.
You also have a brother in the NFL. As if ripping stop signs out of the ground and scaring females wasn’t enough.
[quote]A-Town Crown wrote:
You also have a brother in the NFL. As if ripping stop signs out of the ground and scaring females wasn’t enough. [/quote]
That’s a different Sasquatch, not this one.
P.S.
Leinart is good!
[quote]A-Town Crown wrote:
You also have a brother in the NFL. As if ripping stop signs out of the ground and scaring females wasn’t enough. [/quote]
I’m not sure quite what you’re talking about, but if you doubt what I say that is your issue. But that makes me assume, you discount information from your preconceived bias on who may be giving that info. You’d be better to actually assess the info, than to ignore it based on some perception.
[quote]ccardill wrote:
rainjack wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Bush will never gain over 700 yards per season. THE most over-rated player in the draft. If he’s at any school other than USC - no one ever knows who he is.
Are you serious? I know you’re from Texas, but do you honestly believe this? Have you ever watched him play aside from the Rose Bowl? I’m not sure if he’s the second coming of Gale Sayers, but as long as he stays healthy he will be very good.
I’ve seen him play, he’s too small and too light to handle a 291 pound DE getting a hold of him. And don’t give me the “he’s really really quick” crap. He was a good college player.
Rather than Gale Sayers - he reminds me of another SC back. Charles something-another. He won the Heisman as well, but fizzled like cheap bacon when he actually had to play the game. Bush played in the fucking Pac-10 for pete’s sake. I could be a 1,000 yard rucher in the PAC-10 and I have two bum knees.
Just because the media wants it to happen doesn’t mean it will. And I hate the Longhorns - not as bad as I hate the dcali schools, but I hate them none the less.
portis, westbrook, faulk, parker, martin…all backs under 210. its possible that he gets hurt because of his size but he’ll more than likely be fine.
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When it comes to sub 210 lb. RBs, don’t forget the best one of them all, Tiki Barber.
[quote]A-Town Crown wrote:
I don’t remember Croyle doing much. There passing attack was ranked 69th in the nation. SC was 5th, talk about having better players all you want. Leinart had more to do with that passing attack than anyone on that team.
Leinart is alot like Brady and Montana coming out, not the greatest arm strength but they show up on gameday. They have the one thing you cannot teach in the NFL. Being a winner.
You go draft Cutler or Croyle ahead of Leinart, and I’ll take Leinart and we’ll see who has the better production. Then you can tell me about his arm strength. It’s not about arm strength as to mentality. You don’t think Leinart and LenDale are going to be coming in with a chip on their shoulders after that draft?
I’ll take pin point accuracy over arm strength any day.[/quote]
At least be creative. You use national passing team offense as your criteria for the better passer, then you link 2 passers who were in running programs and drafted down the list. Who was the Heisman winner and who were the first 5 QB’s taken in both drafts that Montana and Brady were in?
Exactly. Until you do your google search you don’t know.
College rankings and numbers rarely translate to the NFL. I mean So. Miss. was hardly Florida or Bowling Green when it came to passing, but somehow some guy named Favre got drafted and turned out pretty good. In fact, do a quick survey of the top QB’s for each team and see how many were the nations statistical leader for passing yardage.
If you would have read my post, I said both Cutler and Broyle have better mental game and more leadership than Leinart-IMO(and a little insight!!!) I know arm strength isn’t everything – I qualified his whole game. And both other QB’s played in a conference full of defense. All are 2-3 years away from impact, but the upside is better for my two and you get them at a better price.
The ‘chip’ from the draft is a non-factor. Media nonsense–talking points garbage. As soon as they ink, that’s all but forgotten. Basketball maybe a weeeeee bit–football-nothing.
And you can’t be serious by comparing Leinart to those 2 QB’s. Leinart has neither the mental composition of those two or the natural leadership abilities that those two carry. He’s a product of a great system and unbelievable talent discrepency between USC and the rest of the PAC-10. He’s very good. He was a very good college QB. I take nothing away from that.
It’s not perception, it’s proven on field statistics. Leinart has allready shown up to bigger games than Croyle will his whole career. You need to stop going off combine numbers.
I’m sure Croyle will make a nice backup in the NFL. Cutler has a good chance in Denver.
Leinart has neither the mental composition of those two or the natural leadership abilities that those two carry
I can’t believe you just said that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but come on.
Croyle=AJ Feely, Leinart=stud and proven gamer.