Testosterone Lab Work Results - Opinions Wanted

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Arimidex can take things too far and several months down the road, you may find estrogen low and even <5 pg/mL. Arimidex is a potent drug and was never intended to be taken long term.

Arimidex can take minerals out of your bones, cause osteoporosis if you’re not careful and it can alter your lipids. It was developed to suppress estrogen in female breast cancer patients.

If you think you can get away with a micro dose, maybe not. I took a 10th of a 0.050 dose and days later experience bone pain in hips and knees, it hurt to even sit down. My joints were f**ked up too.

It’s not uncommon to hear of men running into problems at .125 and .250 mg doses offered by compounding pharmacies.

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Yes, arimidex does look like a bad idea
So, what can I do to decrease estrogen?
My total estrogen is 178 which seems pretty high

Thanks again :slightly_smiling_face:

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You can lose weight.

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I’ve heard this one before… How much is your kickback?

This Dr. Rob is straight up taking people for a ride, and you’re advocating for it. Perhaps some people need a doctor to scrutinize their DNA, but I’m willing to bet 95% of folks don’t. May as well do a 23andMe and make medical decisions with that.

@Newbie1 you’re way premature to be considering TRT, nevermind shelling out ANYTHING like what you are paying to get looked at. Your only symptom is being tired; I’m 100% certain that var does not help this, and that you could fix this with better sleep.

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Let’s not forget that OP came here because he was tired and wanted var to correct that.

This individual is not educated on the decision he is attempting to make, and that he is technically normal in the realm of testosterone. It’s ridiculous to be advocating for this type of ‘testing neuroticism’… while we can probably all agree that more testing was needed, we didn’t mean this.

By this reasoning, we should just pull the cylinder heads and check for valve seating before seeing if the dip stick is dry. Asinine.

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What? Are you seriously suggesting he forego paying his insurance premiums and pay someone $5k for TRT and $8k for additional testing?

These kind of statements destroy any credibility you may have. How do you know this to be true? You are implying you know every practitioner in the country and their fee structure. Do you? I know you’ve been treated by a lot of doctors.

Doctors actually joke about this stuff and most understand what is behind it. Patients need to have faith and belief in their doctor, especially if whatever illness in question is serious. “My neurosurgeon in one of the top three in the world.” How would anyone know? I’d check the sports page for the rankings, but it won’t be there. However, if you have a brain tumor, you need to believe that your doctor is the best.

You’ve done this previously, but with other practices. It’s understandable Andrewgen_Receptors would wonder if you are getting some sort of kickback. It’s pretty well known practices use plants on the internet to promote their business.

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Genetic Data harvesting will go the way Metadata harvesting did in the early 2000’s. Before you know it, ‘free’ services like Facebook are worth a trillion dollars and you don’t know why all your ads are personalized to things you’ve spoken of.

And people won’t even understand the risks of it until after their children’s privacy are affected by the parents’ ignorance.

a couple memes to keep the voices at bay:

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One day I will bring common sense back to the world with nothing but memes.

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@systemlord Yes, it’s just that I’m really tired all the time and want a boost and to generally feel better

I just feel off …
I know I’m being a baby about this , it’s just that I feel freakin lethargic

What about microdosing anavar ?
I also had a trt clinic suggest enclomiphene
He didn’t think I needed test just to reduce estrogen

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Why do you think Anavar will make you less lethargic…? I would like to know, specifically, what makes you think this will be the result.

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@systemlord knows a little bit more than most

Just got some of my results from Dr Rob
And my ferritin is above the normal range
at 401

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Now read this …
Here’s a link to the website

https://www.lifeextension.com/protocols/metabolic-health/hemochromatosis

Iron Overload and Endocrine Dysfunction

Hormonal imbalance is a significant problem among individuals with primary or secondary iron overload (Noetzli 2011; McDermott 2005; Van deursen 2003).

Excess iron accumulates in the pituitary gland and disrupts synthesis of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH), which is responsible for stimulating the production of sex hormones from the gonads (i.e., testes and ovaries). The consequence of this disruption is abnormally low levels of important sex hormones like testosterone and estrogen (Van deursen 2003; McDermott 2005).

However, pituitary dysfunction alone does not account for all the hormonal perturbations observed in all iron overload cases (Walsh 1976). This can be partly explained by another phenomenon observed among some iron overload patients - elevated **sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG)**levels; although the mechanism for this elevation is not entirely clear (Gautier 2011).

SHBG is a transport protein that carriers sex hormones through circulation. The problem, however, is that when hormones are bound to SHBG, their ability to bind and activate their receptors is greatly hindered. So, when SHBG levels are elevated due to iron accumulation in the liver, hormonal signaling may be disrupted (Selby 1990).

Thus, iron accumulation in the brain and the liver among those with iron overload may precipitate considerable hormonal irregularities, which can lead to a barrage of complications ranging from diabetes to cardiovascular problems and loss of libido to osteoporosis (Rochira 2006; Corona 2011; Dandona 2011; Dandona 2010).

An unfortunate reality is that many conventional physicians may not appreciate the role of iron overload in hormone-related complications (Cundy 1989; McCarthy 2002). Therefore, it is likely that many patients whose hormone-related ailments may be attributable to excess iron levels are not properly diagnosed and treated.

Life Extension suggests that individuals with known or suspected hormonal imbalances consider blood tests for iron overload . Likewise, individuals with iron overload should consider blood tests for hormone imbalances. Identification and treatment of these commonly concurrent conditions may improve quality of life for many people.

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I advocate for competent doctors that provide good health outcomes and are at the cream of the crop. Dr. Rob reviews are stellar and to claim I’m receiving kickbacks is outrageous!

It’s no different than buying a Toyota versus a Ferrari, you get what you pay for.

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No, I’m just making the point that you CAN get better healthcare, often preventive actionable health care for less. We are know insurance companies (middleman) are out to make a profit by collecting premiums and trickling out coverage/care.

You could pay a private doctor for your primary health care needs and still have insurance based care on the side for those much more serious health problems the smaller, private doctor can’t handle on his own.

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These symptoms are vague, they could be cause by 100 different things, that’s why I recommended Dr. Rob, because his a problem solver, a detective which is more than I can say for the typical GP or specialty doctors, your typical doctor won’t know where to go, where to look and will blow you off until you reach the critical stages because that’s sick care at it’s best, treating the acute medical conditions.

Use Dr. Rob to figure out your case, then cut ties and port over your treatment to who ever you wish.

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@systemlord yes, the symptoms are vague
I’m just a little hopeful that Dr Rob looks at ferritin as a variable .

So I’m hoping he knows what to do next…
It looks like levels for males above 100 is actually doing organ damage

It looks like The iron takes up space in the pituitary gland inhibiting signals to my gonads to create testosterone, and also increasing shbg

Gotta get rid of the iron and maybe things go back to normal … I hopeful and worried at the same time … oh well

@systemlord Thank you so much for suggesting Dr Rob

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@systemlord
Tomorrow I’m going to go donate blood.
They check iron levels using a small sample before the full donation

This is kind of cool because therapeutic phlebotomy is a treatment to get rid of the excess iron, so I can get a second check for my time and start getting rid of the excess iron .

I have been eating grass fed beef and organ meats which contain a lot of iron …

Anyway, just thought I’d share this incase anyone finds it helpful

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No, it really is different. No one accidentally strolls into a Ferrari dealership when they discover they might need a car.

If OP actually warranted TRT, and that’s a big if, it could have been adressed for less than a fifth the cost of what you recommended.

Your input on this site has been called into question before but numerous people. You’ve been accused of getting kickbacks multiple times. These things are not common for this community, but are a literal trend for you… making you either some incredible outlier, a plant, or one of the least credible hormone advisers we have here. I have my suspicions about which, but you’ve done well pulling the wool over OPs eyes.

If @Newbie1 wants to see what he’s buying into…

Absolute insanity to recommend going to a specialist for “i feel tired”, and you not being able to see that is extremely telling.
@Newbie1 you are being taken for a ride.

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I’m sorry, I’m not following here:

How is it insanity to go to a specialist for anything?

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How did you decide this?

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He sent me to a Dr that actually ordered ferritin as part of my blood test

My gp didn’t do that , and to be honest is a complete moron… that’s why I reached out to this message board …

@systemlord has been really helpful
@kazuya_mishima1 is that a good enough reason for you ?

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It’s not insanity as a whole, its that your only symptom is being tired… you proceeded to order 6 grand in tests for being tired, correct?

If by ‘tired’, you meant ‘narcoleptic’, then id agree you need a specialist. At most, you might get some utility out of TRT… you didn’t need this caliber of specialist to give you an opinion on this.