Damn, sorry to hear the latest new.
Fingers are crossed for you mate.
BBB
this is all “idowhatican’s” fault for wanting me to die lol
nah just kidding. i’ll be oright. caught very early. I just lose a ball. No big deal. Loads of athletes have gone through it. Like that hard core powerlifting d00d on TMuscle magazine article couple of weeks ago and lance armstrong and… eh
yeah 
Hello again,
Sorry for bumping this morbid slightly distasteful thread.
But i just read this article on ergolog:
It says that Vitamin E protects testes from free radical damaged during the use of steroids.
Further, the article suggests that when the testes are shut down due to the use of testosterone, they are suscepitble to the damage of free radicals - hence prone to cancer.
My hypothesis is that steroid use can make one more susceptible to cancer via this mechanism.
“If you put androgens into an animal or human, the testes start to produce less testosterone and sperm cells… As a result, free radicals take over â?? and endocrinologists suspect that the testes shrinkage that occurs when taking a course of steroids, along with the reduction in testosterone and sperm production, is at least in part the work of the free radicals.”
I believe this is what happened in my case. I did use HCG, but not during the first couple of weeks of my first cycle at the beginning of the year which was a bit ad hoc to be fair.
Also, because my diet is VERY VERY VERY POOR. Great, in terms of athleticism - i.e ALL i ate was protein protein and slow burning carbs - with a view to fuelling energy and growing muscle ONLY. My diet was almost completely devoid of vegetable and no vitaming and mineral suppplements were included (except copious amounts of fish oil tablets).
I think this is why i’ve lost a nut.
sigh.
That sucks. I hope all will be well soon.
I have a doctor in the family that treats cancer patients, and she mentioned a guy, 30 y.o., with testicular cancer, and she was sure it was his AAS use. Of course, like many doctors, she’s totally clueless on roids issues, but still, it made me wonder if roid users do indeed have more chance of getting testicular cancer. It wouldn’t be that surprising.
Has there been any correlation hinted at in the medical literature?
I had a look around but only saw this
and thats a longer term user, 9 years after stopping but does say its possible, citing young age, experiments on animals with androgens and estrogens. If you search outside of medical lit then you get lots of anecdotal stuff on forums.
WyldFlower - hope things are well. One positive is that caught early this tends to be a one time cancer, i.e. shouldnt trouble you again
That study appears to be educated guess work, there is no proof. Turinabol is somewhat LH repressive, which would reduce stimulation of the testes, which would lower intratesticular testosterone levels [ITT]. As ITT is up to 80 times higher than serum levels of T in normal males, the net effect is lower steroid levels in the testes, even as the Turinabol increases serum levels of steroids.
The study is statistically insignificant with a sample of one.
yes, but i’m always hearing of sportsmen and powerlifters getting testes cancer.
I don’t know if its that thing where you look for real world examples to justify your pre-existing views or what - what is that calleD? Reticular Activation System.
I mean, i keep readin on t-mag dudes getting it, bodybuilders and shit. Again, don’t know anything re:statistical correlation.
However i DO know, that if the testes AREN’T producing androgens, then they are prone to it - i.e, those men whose testes descended late in life, i,e, were unproductive during their formative years, are more prone to it. So there does seem to be SOME correlation with regards to “dormant” testes getting cancer… or something. I don’t know.
Anyway, i’m getting the sucker taken out on Monday. We had so much fun, me and mr right testicle, all the girls who enjoyed sucking on it, that time i got it stuck in a vaccuum cleaner during a session of onanism gone awry sniff
on the plus side, work’s given me as much time off as i need. Yay!
Also, i’m still physically in the best shape ever, but wondering whether i shud back off training. I broke a rib in Muay Thai last week, but i’ve kept on training every day. I know i’ll be a couple of weeks convalescing so maybe i’m pushing myself too hard at the moment. Part of it is RAGE - that i’d rather destroy my body on my own terms than let it be destroyed on the inside on its own - some macho bullshit LOL (even though i know this is a pretty pathetic form of cancer to get in terms of life threatening and shit).
But now i think i should rest and be strong for the operation. Although, i think the operation is quick and easy - just a quick snip etc… ouch! noooooo, make it not be like this! 
I wanna know if i’ll be able to get a golden ball inserted on the NHS, they tell me so little.
[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
yes, but i’m always hearing of sportsmen and powerlifters getting testes cancer.
I don’t know if its that thing where you look for real world examples to justify your pre-existing views or what - what is that calleD? Reticular Activation System.
I mean, i keep readin on t-mag dudes getting it, bodybuilders and shit. Again, don’t know anything re:statistical correlation.
[/quote]
Sigh… That’s because they are public figures, therefore it’s interesting (to some, not really me) to the media to point it out.
WTF would you ‘hear’ about all the thousands of non-sportsmen, etc, who get testicular cancer on a daily basis? You wouldn’t.
BBB
Yeah i guess so,
but then how many pop stars and actors do you hear about getting it? or politicians? or any other public figure EXCEPT sportsmen?
i was talking to my Muay Thai trainer yesterday, he’s in his 50s now, and he got it around 15 years ago.
Funny how many martial artists have had it.
Anyway BBB - What do you think to the hypothesis that when testicles are “shut down” they are more prone to free radical damage and hence cancer, as that ergo-log article i posted a page ago suggested?
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote: Sigh… That’s because they are public figures, therefore it’s interesting (to some, not really me) to the media to point it out.
WTF would you ‘hear’ about all the thousands of non-sportsmen, etc, who get testicular cancer on a daily basis? You wouldn’t.[/quote]
How many sportsmen, or recreative users, with any kind of cancer or issue, would come in the open and say that they’ve used AAS? There such a dumb stigma attached to steroids, that VERY few would come out and say it in the open. Otherwise, people say you deserved it, abusing your body like that…
So maybe there is NO correlation. I think most of us here fully agree that roids are not the demonic drug that the media portrays. But I think it’d be rosy thinking to pretend that there isn’t serious issues possible with its use/abuse.
Furthermore, i’d like to add there is no history of cancer in ANY of my family.
Neither grand parents.
None of the four kids of each grand parents.
None of the kids of all the children of the grandparent except me.
Nor any of the brothers and sisters of the granparents. Which me sound statistically crazy, but that’s just the way it is.
Plenty of Alzheimers going around, no cancer.
in fact the more i think about it, the more i think there is a correlation.
that’s where i’m pitching my tent.
You’re estimating the correlation using a biased sample, therefore your conclusion isn’t reliable.
Yeah i know.
[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
Anyway BBB - What do you think to the hypothesis that when testicles are “shut down” they are more prone to free radical damage and hence cancer, as that ergo-log article i posted a page ago suggested?[/quote]
Define ‘shut down’. If you mean reduced test output by warrant of steroids, then no I don’t support the hypothesis.
However if you mean that their actual output of sperm is somehow disrupted (torsion, scar tissue, anatomical variance, etc) then, yes I strongly support it.
Glandular tissue seems to do best when the pipes are used regularly, and does poorly when cellular material or output fluids are caused to linger around and not cleared away.
As an example, several studies have shown that regular ejaculation (i.e. ‘pipe clearance’) reduces the risk of prostate cancer.
Buuuut, then you have to consider that vasectomies don’t seem to increase the risk of testicular cancer, so perhaps my po-science theories don’t hold water, lol.
BBB
thanks for your input BBB.
BTW - I’ve been using your name as my nick on internet dating profiles. Girls go: ‘hey, whatsup “bad boy”,’ which is pretty cool
hello
so i just had my ball taken out earlier today
i’m still convalescing in hospital, managed to hook my laptop to my phone and hence internet. Keep you lovely guys updated, cos i know you CARE lol
Fuck me, the thing was the size of a pool ball, and not a faggot UK pool ball, i mean an AMERICAN phat pool ball, which they pulled out through an incision in my groin. Oww!
I was in two minds on getting a fake one put in, and decided on the prosthesis
Anyway just wanted to pass on something my surgeon just said to me
He asked me if i did any sports. I said “yeah, Muay Thai, quite competitively” He said, “Mmm, you know what funny, almost everyone i treat with testicular cancer is a sportsman of somekind, its so prevalent amognst athletes. Tell me, do you take any special drink or supplements?” hinting at steroids i’m sure. and i said “what me doc? no doc, i don’t doc!”
Even tho i got two needles with 50mg tren/test loaded up to shoot in the morning in my hospital bag. LOL
So yeah, basically, i don’t think its just conjecture that the athletic/sporting community is particularly prevalent with cases of testicular cancer.
I think there i a definite reason. As to why, it is just speculation. But i’ve been practicing Muay Thai for 6 years, with great intensity, and got hit by cancer less than 5 months after i FIRST start using AAS.
Just thinking out loud boys, food for thought.
actually,
this thread is stupid
and my comments are stupid
i have no idea what i’m talking about.
just looking to point fingers i guess
out
I think my urologist was referring to normal supplements rather than AAS as a link to testes cancer
http://www.goldjournal.net/article/S0090-4295(05)00638-2/abstract
[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
thanks for your input BBB.
BTW - I’ve been using your name as my nick on internet dating profiles. Girls go: ‘hey, whatsup “bad boy”,’ which is pretty cool[/quote]
Please tell me you’ve only been using the badboy part and not the full bbb.
Congrats on a succesful there big man!
BBB