Testes and Testosterone Probles

Pharma / TRT
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I dont speak english so plz bear with me.
4 years ago, at the age of 19 I used Testogan, dimetabol, dianabol like crazy, without help without knowledge. My hormones didnt get fucked up at that time and my testes and testosterone and libido were normal/high

1 year ago, my testes started shrinking, my libido was zero, i had semi problems of erection,
at that time the things that i did that could have done that was:
drinking alot of beer
eating desorder (alot of carbs little protein)
smoking TOO MUCH

I got tired of the problems so I injected HCG 2000 UI every 6 days for 5 times and my balls got BIG and hanging again, my libido back and mi dick BIG and BADASS. after 1 month, all got down again, i stopped drinking alot, stopped smoking, started drinking ZMA, REZ-V, TRIBEX, the only thing that worked fully was the HCG, i drank alot of OMEGA-3, ETC nothing seems to work, im tired of all

the last week of my omega-3 i started to drink ZMA with it and my balls got a little big and started hanging again but this week got fucked up again.

My endocrinologist made me some exams 2MONTHS AGO, the results are as follows

glucose mg/dl 89.40 [ ] normal range 60-100
total testosterone ng/dl 536. [ ] normal range 262-1593
total estrogen pg/mL 80.6 [ * ] normal range 40-115
linfocitos K/uL 3.44 [ ]* normal range 0.6-3.4
white blood cells K/uL 9.24 [ ] normal range 4.8-10.8
red blood cells K/uL 4.83 [ ] normal range 4.7-6

FSH muI/mL 1.69 [* ] normal range 0.95-11.95
LH mUI/mL 5.56 [ * ] normal range 1.14-8.75
T4 FREE ng/dL 0.98 [ * ] normal range 0.70-1.48
TSH mUI/mL 4.13 [ *] normal range 0.35-4.94

the doctor laughed and said everything was normal, i said god damn mi balls are 1/2 the normal size and dont hang, my libido is DOWN and not to mention erection problems

i should point out, i dont have any hair in my arms, chest, almost none facial air, I have what u call love handles, etc.

i dont smoke
i dont drink
i put my food in the microwave everyday, i sit in a chair at work almost 8 hours a day.

wtf please someone tell me, clomid, hcg, tamoxifen WHAT EVER YOU LIKE.

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fail

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can someone say something usefull please? FAIL doesnt help me.

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[quote]Capachivo wrote:

eating desorder (alot of carbs little protein)
[/quote]

This isn’t an eating disorder. Just sayin…

Perhaps the problem isn’t with testosterone.

How old are you?
What country are you in?
What did the endocrinologist say to you (other than just laughing)?
Did you tell him about prior steroid usage?

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How old are you? 23
What country are you in? Dominican Republic
What did the endocrinologist say to you (other than just laughing)? nothing, that the problem was not hormonal
Did you tell him about prior steroid usage? yes

The thing is, if the problem isnt testes, then why when I used HCG the problem got solved for several weeks?
I asume that if the problem isnt hipogonadism, when I use hcg it woulndt have made any progress, but IT DID.

I saw this in a AAS forum

IF YOUR TESTICLES GOT TOO LITTLE AND YOUR GIRL IS ABOUT TU DUMP YOU.

Day 1: 5000 i.u. of HCG

Day 6: 2000 i.u. OF HCG

Day 11: 2000 i.u. OF HCG

keep going until u hit 5 days of HCG, when you fell the testes big enough then take 1 clomid every day for 5 days in the dinner. No more HCG.

Then go to a doctor and make a Gemmotherapy.

Dont know if i should try that, keep asking me so you can help me more, someone refered me to this page saying your the best forum in this case.

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Do you have a number for your Free Testosterone.

The reason why you aren’t getting many replies is because situations like this have many many variables. It is virtually impossbile for anyone to figure this out on the internet.

People can come up with theories but many people don’t want to just offer advice in a situation with so many different things going on.

Have you read about Post Cyle Therapy and SERMs?

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Here is what I would do if I was in your situation.

wks 1-2 Aromasin 10mg ED
Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg ED
wks 3 Aromasin 5.0mg ED
Tamoxifen Citrate 10mg ED
wks 4 Aromasin 5.0mg EOD
Tamoxifen Citrate 10mg ED

Maybe your E is too high, which is affecting your libido? I would keep with the ZMA and Omega 3 fish oil. I would also just give it time. The endo system doesn’t adjust that quickly.

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@BONEZ
i dont have those values (free T)
Havent read alot about SERM tomorrow ill take some time to educate myself

@Detroitlionsbaby
in the graphics from the blood test, the estrogen is in the middle of normal range, something like this:

[*] 40-115 i got 80.6

the total testosterone was wayyyy in the bottom normal range:
[*________] 262-1593 i got 536

FSH was wayy in the bottom too, LH was normal, tiroxine T4 normal and TSH was very high normal range.

my balls right now are little, sticked to the body, i dont have full erections, i dont have morning erections, and i dont have libido. When i used HCG 1 year ago my balls, erection, and all got back on track but after few weeks of leaving it i got fcked up again.

i wish those numbers and all that im saying could give you a clue :frowning:

i should point out that for what i think, my testosterone is tooo little for my age (23) i think.

i bought clomid yesterday, thank god in my country we dont need prescription for almost any med, and one can buy steroids anywere without a problem :smiley:

another thing, if your meds in US are too close-minded, here in DR are worst, here we have doctors that studied 10 years, 20 years ago and never ever studied again. thats why my endo said that 536 total T is normal for my age, and my urologist said my testes are normal size :@ fck im pissed offf

I know that im talking alot and asking alot for help, but ppl that have been in my shoes knows how desperate one becomes to resolve this BIG problem

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[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:
Here is what I would do if I was in your situation.

wks 1-2 Aromasin 10mg ED
Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg ED
wks 3 Aromasin 5.0mg ED
Tamoxifen Citrate 10mg ED
wks 4 Aromasin 5.0mg EOD
Tamoxifen Citrate 10mg ED

Maybe your E is too high, which is affecting your libido? I would keep with the ZMA and Omega 3 fish oil. I would also just give it time. The endo system doesn’t adjust that quickly.[/quote]

What does ED and EOD means?

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ED=every day
EOD=every other day [every second day]

Your hCG doses are too high. This can make the LH receptors in your testes less sensitive. You do not want that as that will make your own LH less effective. 250iu EOD is all that you needed.

You need to do a massive amount of reading.

You may need to take Arimidex/anastrozole to reduce E2 levels. Suggest 0.5 mg/week in divided EOD doses. The lab test was wrong. Test for serum E2 [estradiol]. Do not test total estrogens.

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I have been investigating.
Here in DR they sell p&*^zer AROMASIN 30 tablets of 25mg for 125 dollars. A bit expensive for me but, for my health ill do whatever it takes.

To use 10mg of a pill i supose you cut the pill with a knife or something like that?

Tamoxifen they sell it here for 26 dollars 30 pills of 20mg each.

Someone said to use Aromasin and Tamoxifen and Ksam said use Arimidex, nothing else. 2 good examples, but I dont know which will work best. BBB or any other Guru here please help if u can.

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So let me review myself.

FSH-------------- LOW-NORMAL.
LH--------------- NORMAL.
FREE T4---------- NORMAL
TSH-------------- HIGH NORMAL
TOTAL ESTROGEN— NORMAL
TT--------------- LOW NORMAL
lymphocyte------- HIGH HIGH OUTSIDE LINE.

LOW-NORMAL FSH maybe means not normal anterior pituitary function or maybe GnRH not normal, but LH somehow is Normal.

LOW-NORMAL TT maybe means LH would be low, but in my case is normal, SO maybe the problem is my testes. In another post KSman said something about testes firmness and hanging. My testes are, i think, firm enough but they arent as big as they were 1 year ago and certanly almost all day they are not hanging.

HIGH HIGH OUTSIDE LINE LYMPHOCYTE, is a symphtom of alot of stress, maybe that could be the reason.

I work, study, play karate 1 day a week and go to the gym 4 days a week, i have a gf, i sleep 7 hours and sit in a chair 8 hours a day in my work, and i put my lunch in a microwave every day of the week.

So my conclusion is: alot of stress, problem with my testes, or something else.
but to keep stress out someone said to drink lemonade without sugar every day, that would keep me alkaline enough to keep stress out.

I know alot of you are well experienced in the matter and can help me. I really need your help Tdudes.

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Seeing all that i have said

What you would recommend me?

HCG
ARIMIDEX
AROMASIN/TAMOXIFEN
COMID
???

Recommended doses?