[quote]kroby wrote:
Oh, and triceps kickbacks?!? LOL[/quote]
Tricep kickbacks kick ass. They’re great for both triceps (bodybuilding perspective) and for scapular/shoulder stability (if done correctly).
As far as the blowup, I think you guys both misunderstood each other. I’m sitting here reading the posts wondering why either one of you guys should even be upset. It’s over though, so I’ll leave it alone.
[quote]Game_over wrote:
mmm mmm good. myself loves details and plenty of them. a log without details is like gettin fucked with no reach around…wait…that sounds wrong… um well lets just say its not good and leave it at that. Please proceed keeper of the holy grail camaro :)[/quote]
Well,
My take on the blow up is that, and I will give credit where credit is due, Kroby is right about the logs I note having extra material,(fluff if you want), that isn’t always what some people are after.
He’s right about that.
But, the poster has control of HIMSELF, not the thread. Therefore, it’s pointless to say to the op, hey do this or that, unless it’s having to do with something the op said that is untrue, or dangerously misrepresenting use of AAS, you follow me? None of that is/was the case here. It is simply that Kroby wants more details of a test/tren cycle, and he doesn’t want to sift through the thread if it doesn’t pertain to that. Well, I’m sorry, but I found that offensive and insulting when he said to list stats from dd/mm/yy etc, and carried on with his mini rant.
There is no real time log of yet here.
It just boils down to him not paying attention to the fact that the log isn’t rolling yet, and mistakenly griping about it. I asked him about his log, he says, oh you want me to photocopy it etc,…Yeah it’s fucking irritating isn’t it Kroby? Well, that’s what you said to me, and it didn’t make sense in the context of what’s been in this thread.
I said I see his point, I agknowledged it. But he’s yet to say he sees my point, can we all see that now?
So enough with it, this is my final, final answer about it.
Kroby, I’ve aplogized to you, I’m not admitting I was wrong, only that I didn’t take the time to communicate it in a nicer way. So, the balls in your court.
ToneBone
UPDATE:
My situation;
Looks like I should be ready fairly soon. My plan is to go through with said cycle, regardless of the delt situation.
I recieved a shot of cortisone, and it is the first for me. I have never thought too highly of it, but it is a damn good anti-inflammatory for local issues, hopefull will assist and allow for connective tissue recovery, and I’m told I should be doing chest/press work, albeit light, within a couple weeks. So, I’m hoping my guy knows wtf he’s talking about, lol. Felt immediate benefit, though slight, and a day later it is just sore from the injection, and hopefully will begin to feel better in a couple more days. Starting ROM stuff tomorrow, and progressing cautiously from that point on. Thanks Schwarz, the routine and templates you’ve taken the time to develop for me are awesome. I tweaked them and since you gave me your “blessing” on them, lol, it’s GO TIME NOW!!
Anyway, jist of this post is to just let you all know, there were some reasons for the late start to the log,(which are not for public discussion), and it should be off and running pretty soon. Delt details are just to let you know my current condition. So, now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Cheers!
ToneBone
Isn’t the whole point of cortisone to reduce inflammation in order to speed recovery, not to use to “work through the pain” so to say. I know the doc said it would be okay, but that’s just not how it works. If something is fucked up and causing inflammation, and you get rid of the inflammation, your shoulder is still fucked up. I know it sucks taking time off or not going 110%, but it might be a good idea to still take some time off and see what happens with the shoulder.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Isn’t the whole point of cortisone to reduce inflammation in order to speed recovery, not to use to “work through the pain” so to say. I know the doc said it would be okay, but that’s just not how it works. If something is fucked up and causing inflammation, and you get rid of the inflammation, your shoulder is still fucked up. I know it sucks taking time off or not going 110%, but it might be a good idea to still take some time off and see what happens with the shoulder.[/quote]
Yes of course buddy.
I didn’t mean to imply anything of the sort. I will not be doing any stressful exercise with it for a while, and slowly. I am just saying I am going forward, and will bring the noise w/regards to the other body parts is all, lol.
I hope that the inflammation now that it’s gone soon, will indeed allow me to build up the strength of the cuff and get back to normalcy. If it doesn’t go that way, then I’ll go back, get the mri, and deal with whatever happens then.
Don’t worry Schwarz, I am not forgetting the golden rule of rest for this deal. Just wanted to clarify my position. I will see how it goes, certainly I won’t jump into benching anything more intense than a marshmallow if things aren’t right yet. I’m skeptical like I said, but hopeful.
ToneBone
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Isn’t the whole point of cortisone to reduce inflammation in order to speed recovery, not to use to “work through the pain” so to say. I know the doc said it would be okay, but that’s just not how it works. If something is fucked up and causing inflammation, and you get rid of the inflammation, your shoulder is still fucked up. I know it sucks taking time off or not going 110%, but it might be a good idea to still take some time off and see what happens with the shoulder.[/quote]
Would you say that he should just avoid any direct shoulder work, including prehab/rehab exercises?
And Tone, have you looked into massage or ART? My shoulder had lost a ton of mobility and the ART lady fixed me up pretty good. Hurts like mad, but whatever gets the job done…
[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
Schwarzenegger wrote:
Isn’t the whole point of cortisone to reduce inflammation in order to speed recovery, not to use to “work through the pain” so to say. I know the doc said it would be okay, but that’s just not how it works. If something is fucked up and causing inflammation, and you get rid of the inflammation, your shoulder is still fucked up. I know it sucks taking time off or not going 110%, but it might be a good idea to still take some time off and see what happens with the shoulder.
Would you say that he should just avoid any direct shoulder work, including prehab/rehab exercises?
And Tone, have you looked into massage or ART? My shoulder had lost a ton of mobility and the ART lady fixed me up pretty good. Hurts like mad, but whatever gets the job done…[/quote]
I was looking into ART a little while ago. It looked good, but the pricetag wasn’t going to be addressable on my end.
I may be able to get it through the insurance but unlikely or difficult maybe to get.
Anyway, the shot will give me something to smile about here if there’s any luck about. And I took massage therapy and got my certificate yada yada with my buddy who still comes over to workout, so sometimes I let him do some tissue work, though generally I’m not impressed with his technique, ha, haaa…
He’s a brute and really doesn’t understand the policy of warming up to an area, and/or “erasing” the deeper stuff out at the tail end of the massage. In short, the guys dangerous! Lol…
Just crossing my fingers really, not doing anything with it today, and I’ll do some really ridiculously amusing pendulum swings with it tomorrow and figure eights. Of course I’ll do my routine as well. It’s motivating just looking at it on paper! Throwing in the split squats as well again, thought you might like to hear that, ha. haaa…
Take it easy,
ToneBone
ART should be covered under most decent insurance programs Tone.
Chiropractic is usually covered and most ART practioners are DC’s.
[quote]sapasion wrote:
ART should be covered under most decent insurance programs Tone.
Chiropractic is usually covered and most ART practioners are DC’s.[/quote]
That’s true of mine. She is a chiro who just offers other services. And on the bill it shows as a chiropractic treatment so I can claim it partially on my work insurance. Though I don’t know how things work in…ummm Puerto Rico, Tone?
[quote]sapasion wrote:
ART should be covered under most decent insurance programs Tone.
Chiropractic is usually covered and most ART practioners are DC’s.[/quote]
Thanks Sapa,
I wasn’t sure and one guy down there was saying otherwise last time I asked. I’ll inquire further next time. Right now, it’s feeling markedly better than it has in weeks, so that’s kind of nice, lol.
I realize full well, that it’s main effect is that of lessened pain from the inflammation going way down locally and all, but it IS going to give the area a better chance to heal also, and since it’s the first shot for me, I’m hoping I’ll max out on benefits vs. minimal soft tissue damage on this one. I’m doing pedulum swing circles/figure 8’s, twice daily starting today, and I’ll work in light cuff and stretching more as it is willing to take it.
Just the fact that the pain is down at least 75% is making me happy for what that’s worth. Just hope it keeps going like this.
[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
sapasion wrote:
ART should be covered under most decent insurance programs Tone.
Chiropractic is usually covered and most ART practioners are DC’s.
That’s true of mine. She is a chiro who just offers other services. And on the bill it shows as a chiropractic treatment so I can claim it partially on my work insurance. Though I don’t know how things work in…ummm Puerto Rico, Tone?[/quote]
Thanks ZZ,
Yeah I have really learned to pinch a penny man, I’ve been in Austria, Sweden, and now Puerto Rico, all in the last year. Imagine how I feel?
Ha, haaa, remember as George Costanza once said on Seinfeld, “It’s not a lie, if you believe it”!!
On a side note, the shoulder had me down in the dumps, went off the diet, slogged through some workouts, missed others. All in the last couple weeks here.
Needless to say, whether temporary or if it works to get me back to normal, it’s good for my mindset, and I got out there and did some fasted cardio this morning finally again.
Should be getting Dave Draper’s “Top Squat” device some time early this next week in the mail.
So I’m hoping before Tuesdays leg wkout. I found one on ebay cheap finally, and with the delt jacked up pretty bad, I figured I would split it with my friend, and not have to worry about it feeling shitty after every set of box squats.
Later bud,
Here is what I will be doing for the next month at least as is. Thought some of you might be interested. One last off topic post.
2008 SHOULDER REHAB / HYPERTROPHY
MON: AM: Delt Rehab Protocol
DB Tri Extensions-4X6-8
Lying Tri Extensions-3X12-15
Rope Pressdowns-2X20
PM: Pull Ups (supine)-4X7, 1X15
DB Rows-3X10-15
Shrugs-4X6-8 / 3X15 (week to week)
BB Curls-4X6-8 / 1X15
DB Preacher Curls-3X10-15
TUE: AM: Fasted Cardio-bcaa/coffee- bike at 30 minutes
Roll out/ prone-side planks-3X15/3X45-60 seconds
Donkey Raises-3X20 (5 in, 5 ahead, 5 out, 5 in)
Seated Calf Raise-3X12-15
PM: Box Squat w/TopSquat Device-4X6,5X5,6X4,8X3 (week to week)
Step Ups-3X6 each leg
RDL-3X6-8 / 3X12-15 (week to week)
WED: AM: Standing Cable Crunch-3X10-15 (each leg forward)
Floor Crunch-3X20
Delt Rehab Protocol
Reverse Wrist Curls-3X15
BB Wrist Curls Behind Back-3X15
Pronations-3X15
THU: AM: Fasted Cardio-bcaa/coffee-treadmill at 30 minutes
Pressdown-4X6-8, 1X20
Twisting Kickbacks-3X12
Tube Extensions-3X15-20
PM: BB Rows (supine)-4X7, 1X20
Close Neutral Pulldowns-3X15
DB Shrugs-3X15 / 1X50
Preacher Curls-4X6-8
Arnold Curl-3X10-12
FRI: AM: Delt Rehab Protocol
Standing Calf Raise-4X15
Donkey Raise-3X20
PM: Split Squats-3X6 each leg
Front Squats-1X4-6, 1X8-10, 1X20
Leg Curls-3X8-10, 1X20
SAT: Fasted Cardio-bcaa/coffee-bike at 30 minutes
Reverse Wrist Curls-3X15 / BB Wrist Curls Behind Back-3X15 / Pronations-3X15
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Thanks ZZ,
Yeah I have really learned to pinch a penny man, I’ve been in Austria, Sweden, and now Puerto Rico, all in the last year. Imagine how I feel?
Ha, haaa, remember as George Costanza once said on Seinfeld, “It’s not a lie, if you believe it”!!
[/quote]
Or the Homer Simpson approach, “It takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen.”