Test/Trenner Multiple Log Throwdown:

Pharma
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
FuriousGeorge wrote:
what are the negatives besides becoming very emotional?

FG

LMAO, you need any more reasons?

Bushy[/quote]

i am someone that is very even keeled emotionally so things which usually mess with people emotionally (like booze or drugs or sad movies or tramatic events) don’t really effect me that much…I honestly can’t remember the last time I actually cried about something but I know it was a long time ago…so I wasn’t so worried about this side effect really but in hindsight maybe I should be because maybe it is all built up…I’m getting a flashback of Jerry Sienfield when he starts allowing himself to experience emotion and it opens up to all the other emotions, “what is this salty discharge coming from my eyes?”

mostly I wanna see how big of a load I can bust…I guess that isn’t really a good reason, especially if I have to cry it out with my lady afterwards.

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
FuriousGeorge wrote:
World1187 wrote:
FG…

Speaking from personal experience and that of my trainees, I assure you that taking clomid is definitely not worth doing if just to satisfy your curiosity.

World

you seem to be very anti clomid as most people seem to be that have tried it…can you expand on why you don’t like it? what are the negatives besides becoming very emotional?

I am interested in trying it simply to see what it is about. I know it seems strange but I would kinda like to know why people are so against using it first hand. I am a curious person and like to know what things are like so I can give an informed opinion about them.

I’ll give you some specifics on exactly how emotional I’m talking. You can be having the time of your life, and I mean a better than sex time, and the next minute you’re crying. Seriously.

A trainee of mine actually told me he cried during sex with his girl and didn’t know why and just couldn’t stop.

Personally, clomid makes me feel like absolute shit. I don’t even have the mood swings like he had. I am just depressed and tired and dragging ass everywhere. It sucks man, trust me. In my experience, it made me not want to do things which were usually quite fun for me, a few examples being hunting, writing, and training. It really fucked my training up because I was so depressed.

Sure this sounds like an absolute horror story, but FG, I assure you that nothing in this post has been embellished or exaggerated in the least.

World[/quote]

wow, that’s really emotional. I didn’t think it was that bad. I thought it just sort of made you a little more moody…makes you realize why women are so crazy from time to time…

thanks for the advice. I will leave the clomid out for now and go with the taper.

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[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Cortes wrote:
I’m ready for a good read Tone.

So, let’s hear what you’re doing!

Hi buddy.

Presently I’m on a 2 weeker of drol/win at 100/50 ed.

Adex at .25 ed also. Not that it’s been necessary in the past, but being a little heavier than usual, it’s a good idea imo.

What should be coming into view fairly soon though, is the following;

Test@400/week, tren@200/week, both enan, and a kick of primo for 3 weeks at 100mg/ed also. Then another run of the primo at the end at same doseage for another 3 weeks flowing into pct. Pct should hopefully be the taper this time, or worst case, nolva/trib per what’s necessary.

I will run the adex at .25 to .5 mg/day from the onset.
Caber on hand just in case.

Covered the diet and supps above bud.

Oh, main run for 10 weeks.

                   ToneBone

TB, is the primobolan injection or oral? And have you considered running it for the whole 10 weeks?

JR [/quote]

Oral, enough for 8 weeks total @ 100/day.

ToneBone

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inthezone,

The cycle you put together looks great. I got a quick question for you, when cutting on cycle do you eat a low cal/low carb high protein meal 1 or 2 hours before bed, such as cottage cheese or whey isolate? Or eliminating all eating after 8?

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I’m not Tone, but I will say that I have had great success getting lean while “eating” before bed. Usually my last meal is an hour or two before I go to sleep, and I’ll have a shake containing just around 60grams of whey and water and wash down about 8 grams of fish oil with that.

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Thanks cortes

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[quote]tw1st wrote:
inthezone,

The cycle you put together looks great. I got a quick question for you, when cutting on cycle do you eat a low cal/low carb high protein meal 1 or 2 hours before bed, such as cottage cheese or whey isolate? Or eliminating all eating after 8?[/quote]

Thanks Twist,

I have done both, and prefer to drop some cottage with another protein source,(ham/tuna/egg), or cottage/whey iso, or micellar casein, and do this about 45 minutes after dropping some zma. If I skip the meal, there’s no doubt you’ll be that much lighter in terms of cals, so it does/will help if you’re really shootin low, and already close, but I can’t get down that low, or haven’t yet, so I stick with it and still lean out due to overall cals, and the low carb throughout late AM on thru the day.

If I were avoiding it to get super lean, I would just ingest some fish oil, bcaa’s, glutamine after the zma instead. All of this depends on if I’m sportin enough cash flow to afford/have the items too…lol. The muscle preservation etc, is definitely worth it to me.

ToneBone

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
FuriousGeorge wrote:
what are the negatives besides becoming very emotional?

FG

LMAO, you need any more reasons?

Bushy

i am someone that is very even keeled emotionally so things which usually mess with people emotionally (like booze or drugs or sad movies or tramatic events) don’t really effect me that much…I honestly can’t remember the last time I actually cried about something but I know it was a long time ago…so I wasn’t so worried about this side effect really but in hindsight maybe I should be because maybe it is all built up…I’m getting a flashback of Jerry Sienfield when he starts allowing himself to experience emotion and it opens up to all the other emotions, “what is this salty discharge coming from my eyes?”

mostly I wanna see how big of a load I can bust…I guess that isn’t really a good reason, especially if I have to cry it out with my lady afterwards.[/quote]

The loads are cool -

BUT

I don’t care how even keeled you are emotionally, if you are one of the chosen ones, it’s not going to matter.

I don’t cry. Flat just do not do it. My Granny died in my arms, and I was cracking jokes in the Hearse on the way to the cemetery just to give you an idea of how much I don’t cry.

Two weeks on the clomid, and I am watching Fresh Prince of Bel Air, sobbing like my wife reading a Danielle Steele novel.

You have been warned.

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was it the episode where Will accidentally gives Carlton speed instead of vitamin E at prom and just about kills him because that episode was pretty sad but I see your point…

thanks for the advice guys. I will stay off the clomid.

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Very interesting info about the clomid!
I read something a certain Nelson Montana wrote in “Bottomline Bodybuilding” where he had a chapter called Clomid - the big Lie. basically states its use is based on some sketchy evidence endlessly parroted through internet-forums. And that it just doesn’t work the way its believed to work for most people. That Clomid is a mild estrogen in itself and using it post-cycle often just makes recovery MORE difficult.

Well, the crying over Fresh prince seems to support the notion of far too much estrogen.

So what IS a good PCT (say after a few short oral-only cycles) these days? On most forums there’s the standard recommandation of 3-4 weeks of clomid and/or nolva.

The test taper is obviously gaining popularity when injecting test for longer cycles. Would it be better to NOT automatically run a nolva or especially clomid PCT after shorter cycles? Just tribulus maybe, while keeping nolva on hand?

I have learned too much. Its confusing! :slight_smile:

(Sorry for the massive thread hijack!)

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[quote]balisong wrote:
Very interesting info about the clomid!
I read something a certain Nelson Montana wrote in “Bottomline Bodybuilding” where he had a chapter called Clomid - the big Lie. basically states its use is based on some sketchy evidence endlessly parroted through internet-forums. And that it just doesn’t work the way its believed to work for most people. That Clomid is a mild estrogen in itself and using it post-cycle often just makes recovery MORE difficult.

Well, the crying over Fresh prince seems to support the notion of far too much estrogen.

So what IS a good PCT (say after a few short oral-only cycles) these days? On most forums there’s the standard recommandation of 3-4 weeks of clomid and/or nolva.

The test taper is obviously gaining popularity when injecting test for longer cycles. Would it be better to NOT automatically run a nolva or especially clomid PCT after shorter cycles? Just tribulus maybe, while keeping nolva on hand?

I have learned too much. Its confusing! :slight_smile:

(Sorry for the massive thread hijack!)

[/quote]

Yeah ok guys,

There’s plenty of room for a clomid sobfest thread on the forum somewhere else.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic now…

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If you are going to run trib it is prob better done while you are taking the gear rather than in between shorties (trib doesn’t raise LH/FSH). 3 weeks shouldn’t really need anything to restore your LH/FSH due to the short length (that is the whole point of a short cycle) but you could use Nolva if the compounds were particularly suppressive.

sorry about the hijak Zone…didn’t mean to sidetrack things.

I agree this should get back to the intended topic.

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Keep us updated Tone. You’re in line for some flat out amazing boosts in strength and your core lifts.

Also going to throw out that I never experienced any problems during 4 weeks of clomid therapy.

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[quote]chillain wrote:
Keep us updated Tone. You’re in line for some flat out amazing boosts in strength and your core lifts.

Also going to throw out that I never experienced any problems during 4 weeks of clomid therapy.

[/quote]

There’s the chillamang…Good to see you man.

Yeah, only I’m on a delt rehab mission again, right in the middle of starting a fucking ridiculously sick routine, and trying to cut. Oh well, can’t cry about it like a baby,…

Leaving chest out until further notice unfortunately.

I had a good time rehabbing both though last time growing the wheels up pretty nice and back/arms as well.

Thanks for the clomid info too, I know the guys were thinkin aloud on that for a bit…

Take care Chilly,

ToneBone

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Well, I want to throw a wrench in here. I haven’t seen a cycle log that involved synthol, obviously you can see where I am going with this. This would be nice if one of you (or all if you guys want) would try running some synthol in one of your lacking small muscle groups, or just one that you want to look bigger. I am just pondering the idea because it would be nice to know how the synthol works synergistically with you guys.

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[quote]Thewannabe wrote:
Well, I want to throw a wrench in here. I haven’t seen a cycle log that involved synthol, obviously you can see where I am going with this. This would be nice if one of you (or all if you guys want) would try running some synthol in one of your lacking small muscle groups, or just one that you want to look bigger. I am just pondering the idea because it would be nice to know how the synthol works synergistically with you guys.[/quote]

Thanks, but no thanks to the synthol.

I’ll take my natural symmetry unfucked.
Not too many need or want that scene I believe, save some more hardcore or advanced guys. Though I’m sure there are also some guys lookin for the everfasterbetter size blow up scheme w/out much foresight or experience too.

You ought to run some no? There was one guy talking/advising Mbaina about it a while ago if my memory serves me. There’s your guy.

ToneBone.

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So nothing to really report yet. So here’s my routine for the hell of it guys. Latest revision to accomodate one bad delt and it’s rehab and adjustments to program.

T-TOWN�??S 2008 REHAB: LEG/BACK/ARM/ABS-CARDIO
MON: AM:
:Fasted Cardio-bcaa/coffee- bike at 30 minutes
Roll out/ prone-side planks-3X15/3X45 seconds
Delt Rehab Protocol 3X15-20
Donkey Raises-3X20 (5 in, 5 ahead, 5 out, 5 in)
Seated Calf Raise-3X12-15

  PM: 
Box Squat w/TopSquat Device-4X6,5X5,6X4,8X3 (week to week)
Step Ups-3X6 each leg
RDL-3X6-8 / 3X12-15 (week to week)

TUE: AM: DB Tri Extensions-4X6-8
Kickbacks-3X10-12
Rope Pressdowns-2X20

 PM:
Pull Ups (supine)-4X7, 1X15
DB Rows-3X10-15
Shrugs-4X6-8 / 3X15 (week to week)
BB Curls-4X6-8 / 1X15
DB Preacher Curls-3X10-15

WED: AM:
Fasted Cardio- bcaa/coffee- bike at 30 minutes
Standing Cable Crunch-3X10-15 each leg forward
Floor Crunch-3X25
Delt Rehab Protocol 3X15-20
Reverse Wrist Curls-3X15
BB Wrist Curls Behind Back-3X15
Pronations-3X15

THU: AM:
Fasted Cardio-bcaa/coffee-treadmill at 30 minutes
Standing Calf Raise-4X15
Donkey Raise-3X20

 PM:
Split Squats-3X6 each leg
Front Squats-1X4-6, 1X8-10, 1X20
Leg Curls-3X8-10, 1X20

FRI: AM:
Fasted Cardio-bcaa/coffee-bike at 30 minutes
Pressdown-4X6-8, 1X20
Tube Extensions-3X15-20

 PM:
BB Rows (supine)-4X7, 1X20
Close Neutral Pulldowns-3X15
    Preacher Curls-4X6-8
    Concentration Curl-3X10-12
    Tube Curls-2X20

SAT: Russian Twists-3X15
Reverse Crunches-3X15
Reverse Wrist Curls-3X15/Wrist Curls- 3X15/Pronations-3X15

Delt Protocol:

Delt Rehab Protocol 3 X WEEK 3X15-25
For now:

Scapular Clock Circuit:

Shoulder blades Up, (shrug), blades forward, (protracted), blades down (depressed), blades back (retracted).

Semaphore:
1. arms to front
2. arms halfway between front and side
3. arms to side

X-ersize:

  1. hands at hip, palm facing body
  2. straight arm raise diagonally up.
  3. finish with palm facing behind you.

ClockRaise: (off bench)

Arm to 12:00
Arm to 2:00
Arm to 3:00
Arm to 4:00

Repeat w, w/out DB

Cobra: (pvc pipe)-

knees bent at 45, clean pipe overhead just behind head.

Pullover: (same)-

neck off edge of bench, thoracic spine in flexion, wider than shoulder width, arms straight.

Reverse Shrug:

Pull Up bar, flex scapula downward, small ROM. Just pull up till shoulder blade is in down position.

2XWEEK HEAVIER TRAINING

Heavy DB Scapular Retractions-4X6-8

What the hell eh guys?

Thursday will be one week in with a little drol/win supplementation also.

Megadosing fish oil and triple threat of gluco/sulfate, msm, chondro/sulfate at 1800/1800/1200 mg/day and 12-16 gms of the fishy mofo.

asta,

ToneBone

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At least I’ll be having a blast with this little routine.

If I don’t get some benefit and progress by another week or two, I’ll go in for some modalities and phys therapy.

ToneBone

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Damn, Tone, I’m gonna assume you have your own gym at home? If not, where do you find all that time to train?

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Damn, Tone, I’m gonna assume you have your own gym at home? If not, where do you find all that time to train?[/quote]

Yes sir, quite an extensive home gym.