LOL!
I wont be jumping on anytime soon, however I will be doing an experiment in a couple of months time to find out the Masteron at 100mg/wk with a SERM not suppressive theory is correct or not. IMO, it is.
SB
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
LOL!
I wont be jumping on anytime soon, however I will be doing an experiment in a couple of months time to find out the Masteron at 100mg/wk with a SERM not suppressive theory is correct or not. IMO, it is.
SB[/quote]
I also have read from Prisoner that 100mg test with clomid is not suppressive at all. Not mentioning the clomid dosage, I would guess 50mg twice daily. It has to be cool to have free access to lab tests anytime you want. I know for sure I would turn myself into a lab rat, LOL.
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
LOL!
I wont be jumping on anytime soon, however I will be doing an experiment in a couple of months time to find out the Masteron at 100mg/wk with a SERM not suppressive theory is correct or not. IMO, it is.
SB[/quote]
I also have read from Prisoner that 100mg test with clomid is not suppressive at all. Not mentioning the clomid dosage, I would guess 50mg twice daily. It has to be cool to have free access to lab tests anytime you want. I know for sure I would turn myself into a lab rat, LOL.[/quote]
Yep that was what I was referring to, Prisoners comment.
IMO I think Clomid at 100mg is too high for a Male, the combination of 50mg Clomid and 20mg Nolva though is a winning combo.
And yeah, it is beneficial in these kinda situations ;-). I still need a nurse to draw blood though as I just cant bring myself to draw my own blood (dont ask) lol.
SB
Good for you and thanks for sharing your results.
I have one of my best off cycle transition ever and Iām pretty sure itās because I added HCG on cycle this time. Usually I do a taper though not this time. Like I posted before, I feel the magic to Prisonerās protocol is the stasis part, not the taper - though the taper worked for me before and it did for you too.
Iām looking forward to your 100mg a week + SERM experiment. You can try it with a 50/50 mix of T and Masteron too. Just saying 
Yep I meant a 50/50 split with Mast/Test. Might even try 75/25 Mast/Test.
SB
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
OK NOW THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR!
I have printed off my Bloodsā¦
I have been off for roughly 5 weeks now.
OK so in February my LH and FSH were <0.1 out of the normal range for each.
Bloods from April 2013:
Serum Testosterone: 14.70 nmol/L (6.10 - 27.10)
LH: 9.5 IU/L (1.20 - 8.60 IU/L) HIGH
FSH: 7.8 IU/L (0.00 - 19.00)
Oestradiol: 83 pmol/L (Male 73 - 275 pmol/L)
Prolactin: 61 mIU/L (56.00 - 278.00)
The taper has indeed worked, and amazingly I must add. In the past it has taken me up to 5 months to recover after going cold turkey, now I am recovered in 5 WEEKS!
I didnt even need to use the Triptorelin.
Would like to thank the people who supported me. And Walkway, āthe taper makes no logical sense at allā, the results speak for themselves.
I will continue to run the SERMS while tapering off them and do another round of bloods in a couple of months to top the range for my Test.
SB[/quote]
nice to see bloods to support what a lot of people have experiencedā¦that tapering works. i too believe the stasis (or trt dose cruise for lack of a better term) is more important than the taper itselfā¦running trt doses long term with hcg, followed by serm therapy worked better for me than using a shorter stasis in conjunction with a taper, or conventional PCT ever did, and i have used heavy and long term in the past. it makes pharmicological and physiological sense that it works.
SB,
Glad everything is at a positive note for you. I too Iām a believer in tapering and will continue to do so in future cycles.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
it makes pharmicological and physiological sense that it works. [/quote]
Yep it sure does. I just wanted this thread as a reference for others who may be in a similar position to me i.e. with a fragile HPTA and an impossible time recovering from cycles.
Now that the Prisoner sticky is gone this would make a good sticky thread.
SB
[quote]BUDs wrote:
SB,
Glad everything is at a positive note for you. I too Iām a believer in tapering and will continue to do so in future cycles. [/quote]
Thanks BUDs for your support through the hard times during this taper.
I am so glad the taper worked as well as it did, worked way better then expected.
And Prisoner was right when he said the transition from AAS to off is so seemless you will not feel it.
Slight bit of tiredness, nothing major.
SB
Just thought Iād update this thread.
Everything is going great, all systems seem to be running as normal.
Currently on 25mg Clomid ED, morning wood present and libido is normal also. Tiredness is on its way out too, muscles seem full also.
Only thing thats got me wondering is, my testicle size, they are still kind of atrophied or maybe ive forgotten what they look like normally? I cant help but feel that they should be much more full.
SB
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Either taper down Test and HCG, and use a low dose SERM for a period of months -OR- run a standard stasis taper, and run low dose AI for the foreseeable future to elevate T and minimize E2.
[/quote]
Are you suggesting to runt he AI for estrogen levels? For how long during PCT? What dose of Arimidex, .025?
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Yep I meant a 50/50 split with Mast/Test. Might even try 75/25 Mast/Test.
SB[/quote]
Very interested in this, even started a thread called āstasis foreverā LOL. Now with your experience so far what would you run with just test and no mast? 75mg, 100mg/wk? DO you plan on taking Nolva or Clo with your Mast/Test? People I know use 50mg-75mg of clo mixed with 20-40 of Nolva for , never understood why people didnāt take both at the same time for the fact that they help you in diff ways.
[quote]Viking69 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Yep I meant a 50/50 split with Mast/Test. Might even try 75/25 Mast/Test.
SB[/quote]
Very interested in this, even started a thread called āstasis foreverā LOL. Now with your experience so far what would you run with just test and no mast? 75mg, 100mg/wk? DO you plan on taking Nolva or Clo with your Mast/Test? People I know use 50mg-75mg of clo mixed with 20-40 of Nolva for , never understood why people didnāt take both at the same time for the fact that they help you in diff ways.[/quote]
I would definetly use Mast, probably a 75/25 Mast/Test split. And yes I would use nolva and clomid, 20 and 25mg, respectively.
SB
Just an update, been off all Meds (except clen) for nearly 2 weeks. Tapered off the Clomid, things seem to be fine.
Experienced a slight drop in libido but now it seems to have risen again.
Going for a blood test on weds which will be the determining factor if the taper has actually worked and levels have been maintained.
SB
Interesting thread, my HPTA seems to be extremely fragile too, thank you for sharing your experiences.
Have you gotten the results of your recent blood test?
Just thought Iād update this as there are too many threads that promise updates and dont seem to deliver.
12 weeks post-cycle and 5 weeks post-SERM use.
My levels are as follows:
Serum Testosterone: 12.70 nmol/L (6.10 - 27.10)
LH: 3.5 IU/L (1.20 - 8.60 IU/L)
FSH: 3.2 IU/L (0.00 - 19.00)
Oestradiol: 109 pmol/L (Male 73 - 275 pmol/L)
Prolactin: 61 mIU/L (56.00 - 278.00)
So as we can see, coming off the SERMs my test has dropped slightly (14 -->12) and as expected LH/FSH have dropped significantly to normal levels. Oestrogen has risen also (87 ā 109), which explains puffy nipples, since then I have started 0.25mg Adex EOD.
Lost most gains but mainly due to not being able to train and eat properly but still not looking like shit.
SB
how does that compare to previous blood work? What about your ānaturalā levels if you see what I mean?
Just for you rds because you cant be bothered to go back a couple of pages 
My previous bloods were:
Serum Testosterone: 14.70 nmol/L (6.10 - 27.10)
LH: 9.5 IU/L (1.20 - 8.60 IU/L) HIGH
FSH: 7.8 IU/L (0.00 - 19.00)
Oestradiol: 83 pmol/L (Male 73 - 275 pmol/L)
Prolactin: 61 mIU/L (56.00 - 278.00)
Compared my natural levels, test is slightly lower (I think off the top of my head it used to be ~15)
SB
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Just for you rds because you cant be bothered to go back a couple of pages
My previous bloods were:
Serum Testosterone: 14.70 nmol/L (6.10 - 27.10)
LH: 9.5 IU/L (1.20 - 8.60 IU/L) HIGH
FSH: 7.8 IU/L (0.00 - 19.00)
Oestradiol: 83 pmol/L (Male 73 - 275 pmol/L)
Prolactin: 61 mIU/L (56.00 - 278.00)
Compared my natural levels, test is slightly lower (I think off the top of my head it used to be ~15)
SB[/quote]
haha, sorry I didnāt mean the last time you had blood work, I meant your blood work before you decided to stay on for a million years. Your info about the test being slightly lower is what I was wondering.
Lol no worries.
Yeah it is slightly lower, IMO its because the excess is aromatising (witnessed by the elevated E levels). Its still early days but I think over time it will level out. Just happy to know that everything is back in line.
SB