You’re going to get varying responses, but in general, I see no issue with 6 weeks of Var and a PCT. Obviously you’d want to understand WHY to take that, WHY it’s potentially ok by itself, or not, before doing it. You’d want to get baseline labs (too late) and then labs while on around the 4-6 week mark to assess suppression.
Var has been used in ppl medically, both for ppl that were not using any testosterone and those that were.
In your case, I say continue for 6 weeks
Honestly, I was just reading articles on anavar and trawling forums and saw the cycle come up a couple of times. People were also praising Proviron so I thought it sounded good 
My thought is that when a doctor is prescribing Anavar only for therapeutic treatment, sexual function is the last concern of the doctor. And it’s not like they don’t prescribe drugs that hinder sexual performance.
I still would not use a relatively pure anabolic without supplemental exogenous testosterone. I would play on the safe side.
I found Proviron of little value. But that’s just me, the huge sample of n=1.
If I was to continue on var, what testosterone would be worth considering enanthate?
Like 300mg per week? What would be the best thing to take to prevent gyno?
I never took more than 200mg/wk of testosterone, and felt I had less aromatization with cypionate.
My testosterone was always pharmaceutical grade. I cannot speak to what you get elsewhere.
Does anyone agree with the below information?
Anavar stacks best with dieting. You can run it solo at 60mg/day for 8 weeks. I’ll probably add 200mg/week test enanthate to the cycle. Wait 14 days post cycle to begin recovery and use 50mg/day Clomid for 20 days and 0.5mg/day Arimidex alongside it.
Yes, all steroid cycles should be followed up with post cycle therapy to both retain your gains and restore your normal hormone function.
The PCT you undertake after using Anavar, and the timing of it, will also be determined by any other steroids you’re using.
A basic PCT cycle should consist of a SERM’s such as Nolvadex and Clomid, which can be made even more efficient when combined with HCG.
You have stated that you really liked Dbol. I am wondering how much your love for Dbol impacted your choice of 200 mg/wk. Is it possible you ran Dbol with Test E and that formed your opinion of aromatization? Perhaps with Test C you didn’t run it (perhaps anavar instead?).
I guess I am wondering if you hadn’t ever run Dbol, if you would have ended with a higher dose of Testosterone.
When I was cycling I wasn’t aware of this protocol, but did run 20 days HCG (EOD).
If I ever used Nolvadex, it was to lessen aromatization that I used itchy nipples as a signal. Many don’t agree that itchy nipples are a result of aromatization, but I reasoned, “Why now?”
This is why I decided 200mg/wk was the most testosterone I could take, after getting a mild dose of bitch tits. Inching nipples preceded the bitch tits in my case.
I add it because it gives me the look masteron is supposed to, but doesnt(for me).
If i take 50mgs of Proviron in the morning, 2-3 hours later in the gym, all the small veins and capilaries stick through the skin and give me unrealistic super defined and dry look. I have taken masteron up to 800mgs a week for like 12 weeks, and it didnt do shit. I take 50mgs of Proviron and there is the look 2-3 hours later. Not to mention the price difference.
It does not really do much more that i feel, but there is also lots of info on how Proviron frees up more test, helps with e2 control, and basically helps every steroid in your system do the work better. Since its cheap and not liver toxic, i dont see the reason why not take it. Then again, i never recomend it nor even mention that i take it because besides the dry look, i dont really feel it doing much else and most people are not lean enough to get the look benefit anyways.
Your gains wont stay no matter what you do, if you come off the steroids. Steroids work while you are on them.
The only gains that might stay is if you are undertrained and havent reached your natural potential but since you are 95kg and claim 18% bodyfat, i dont think some Anavar or low dose test can blow you past this amount of muscle you already have.
Not sure why proviron.
Yes. But you claim 18% bodyfat. Anavar is a waste. It shines when you are super low bodyfat. Also, experience shows, that when people FEEL they are 18%, they are mostly 25%. Id say i am 15-18% in my current avatar pic, just flexed abs. Being over 12% bodyfat is just wasting Anavar. Especially if you aim to gain muscle - Anavar is the weakest steroid there is for males, to gain muscle. Any other oral would be more suited.
You could have just done 50mgs of Dbol solo for a cycle and it would have made so much more sense.
That is a good possibility. I relied greatly on Dianabol as muscle builder. More so than any other steroid. From what I believed I would never choose to decrease Dianabol to increase testosterone. I am not saying that I was correct, but just the standard I used. I sometimes used Anadrol instead of Dianabol.
When cycling for a contest I didn’t want Dianabol in my system closer than 4 weeks out.
I never tried increasing testosterone when using 200mg/wk Deca and either Winstrol or Anavar. In hindsight, it would have been worth a try. All but one of the NPC Master’s Nationals that I entered I ran 100mg/day testosterone suspension starting 9 days before the show, the last 100mg just before prejudging.
Thanks Hank, so do you agree that it’s probably best to just drop the var and go back to the drawing board?
Hi all,
So just to update, I’ve decided to stop the cycle. Thanks for all your advice! Back to doing a LOT more research before I consider anything again.
One quick question, considering I was on day 6 and had taken 5 and a half tablets do I need to take any PCT or should my test levels still be ok?
Thanks!
Reading what you wrote, yes. I think you lack knowledge to be able to make good decisions. I also believe that if you lack knowledge on certain drugs you probably missed some info on potential sides, risks, and what to do in the future.
For example, if you are serious about this game you will not PCT. You will be on, blasting and cruising either forever or until you are done in like 20 years. If you plan on this being a short term hobby, you should read up enough to understand how pointless it would be to even start, etc.
Just drop everything and you will be fine in a month at the most. Probably you are fine even right now.
You should be fine to just stop - I doubt you’ve seen much suppression to be honest.
Good choice in stopping the cycle; I recommend getting on a serious diet and training regimen well before toying with AAS. Not that 6x a week isn’t dedicated, just that you can get right about the same progress (or more) by training more like 4x per week on a regimented system such as 5/3/1.
In a lifestyle study I wonder if they take something like that into consideration?
Thanks! That good to hear, I’ll look into the 5/3/1!
For me, if I read it right, the biggest problem is that you’ve only been lifting for 10 months. I’m not sure if you mentioned your age, I apologize if I missed
It, but you should have at least 3-5 years of natty training in before you bring gear into the mix. I think I just remembered you said you were 33…. Hmmm, that’s a nice age to try AAS at, but even if you don’t put in 3 years, you should have a fully developed, dense, defined muscle. What I mean is, give the gear a foundation to work with. I’m not claiming to have done everything right by any means, but I started lifting hard around 16, trained consistently for 15 years, admittedly taking some time off here and there. I also worked out for various goals. I trained to gain weight, trained to lose weight, trained for sports, did short term routines, long term ones, body weight only, wrestled, boxed, dieted all wrong, learned how to do it better, trained wrong at first cus I was 16 reading flex magazine thinking Jay Cutler’s routine would work for me lol. Had to learn to lift like a natty, eat like a natty, eat for performance, eat for looks, tighten my macros and calorie intake, and stay in that fucking gym.
Im not knocking you, I actually like the cycle for myself. Juice can be like lifting in that the first few months produce the most drastic changes. However, like I said, build a foundation. Hit your deepest muscle fibers, your type IIb fast twitch, learn to build a mind muscle connection, feel the squeeze on a proper bent over row. Create satellite cells and separation cuts, develop a CNS that can handle a heavy squat load, eat a gram of protein a day for every pound you want to weigh, I’m not saying you gotta be ready to go on stage, but from a PCT standpoint, think about what will bring your test back within a normal range, drugs? Sure, drugs work if they’re legit, but how if your doing 405 lbs deadlifts, or better yet 495 lbs., benching 315, or even 225 and getting some quality reps in along with time under tension, that will help you keep gains and increase test. I’m not saying not to do a PCT, just don’t base everything in hormones and drugs. It happens easier than you’d think, and if you’re healthy at 33, stay healthy and try to stay completely clean for a few months at a time.
That said, first time favorites are often test e, test c, and sustanon. My first cycle was at 31. I did sus at 500mg a week for about a month, then 750mg a week for like 6 more weeks. I got big and strong but didn’t see much till week 5. I think it was under-dosed, or maybe something else but the first time is usually when the gains are most rapid and dramatic. Once I stopped, I wasn’t expecting much more, but I kept getting stronger and more defined for like a month (sus is a long ester and stays in your system for about a month so that was actually normal. Still, I don’t really count that time as my first. After 3 months, I decided to try again but to make sure everything was on point. I took 600mg a week of test e and damn, after the third week I was diesel. Rock solid, striations on display with every movement, separation lines, vascular as fuck, and a ripped core without a single ab workout. Honestly, probably the best I looked aesthetically in all my years of lifting. But keep in mind, that was 15 years of training, learning, eating, reading about training methods, tension, hypertrophy, compound lifts, isometric, isolation, number of reps, concentric vs eccentric portions of the lift, TUT, and so on, then more training, eating, sleeping, training, learning, you get the picture…. All of that I had built individually, the gear brought it altogether. I had everything needed for the test to take me to the next level, that was key.
As for your first cycle, I’d advise test e also. I’d say around 600mg, and I’d say fuck it, 50 mg of anavar is not gonna do any significant harm. But, do it when you’re ready, when your body is at its peak, and only for 12 weeks. After that, no more for a year. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, so don’t take me to serious, that’s just how I think it can be approached.
A little late here (like 2 years!)
Just a side note, rather than advice (as I’m looking at adding some Pharma Assistance to my workouts).
[Taken from: Proviron Steroid Benefits, Cycles, Dosages & Buing Guide ]
Anavar and Proviron Stack
An Anavar and Proviron stack typically runs for 6-8 weeks and is popular during cutting phases. Anavar, known for its mild fat-burning and muscle-preserving effects, synergizes well with Proviron. A common combination might involve 50mg of Proviron and 30-50mg of Anavar daily. This stack can lead to considerable fat loss while maintaining or even slightly increasing lean muscle mass.
Dianabol and Proviron Stack
A Proviron and Dianabol stack is common in bulking cycles, usually for 6 weeks maximum. Here, Proviron (50-100mg daily) is stacked with Dianabol at about 30-50mg per day. The combination aims for substantial muscle mass gain, with Proviron keeping water retention and fat gain in check.
Proviron and Testosterone Cycle
Proviron and Testosterone stacked together are often used to heighten muscle-building results. Over a 10-12 week cycle, using Proviron (50-100mg per day) with Testosterone Cypionate (usually 300-500mg per week) can produce increases in high quality muscle mass and overall strength. Proviron assists in enhancing free testosterone levels and controlling estrogen related side effects.
PCT: Proviron with Nolvadex or Clomid
When incorporating Proviron into a PCT with either Nolvadex or Clomid, typical dosages might look as follows:
● Proviron: 50-100mg daily during the entire PCT
● Nolvadex: 40mg daily for the first two weeks, followed by 20mg daily for the next two weeks
● Clomid: 50mg daily for the first two weeks, followed by 25mg daily for the next two weeks
By combining these compounds in PCT, the user aims for both the restoration and maintenance of hormonal balance while minimizing side effects like excess estrogen buildup.
Any comments/suggestions regarding the above is always appreciated.