6’ 4" 237 lbs.
39 yrs.
10 years lifting
First test e will be 10 or 12 weeks. Basic 500 mg/wk.
What should taper be and when?
Have nolvadex as pct, when do I know if I need to start this. Just plan on taper for now. Also have Novedex XT by Gaspari Nutrition which I just haven’t used.
21g pins okay for both drawing and pinning?
Yeah if you want a bunch of big ass holes in your ass.
Seriously though they are fine to use but I would consider some 23’s or 25’s for injecting.
Cycle and dose looks fine at 12 weeks. I hope that your nolv is a seperate compound from your Gaspari product. I wouldn’t even mess with the Gaspari stuff during this time. You can draw with the 21 but I would pin with either a 23g or 25g. If you use a 23g you could draw and pin with the same needle. As far as the taper 6 weeks stasis (100mg) and then 6 weeks taper to 0.
If you plan on tapering,then don’t use the nolva as PCT. I wouldn’t really recommend nolva even on cycle, I am a big fan of Adex on cycle and only when necessary.
Are you sure you’ve done your research and know what you’re doing? With all due respect, I’m not seeing it.
Also, as far as the 21g needles go, good luck to ya. I recommend a 25 for injecting with, but your 21 would be good for drawing.
Also, what is your plan for PCT exactly? You mention nolva as PCT and something about a taper. You do one or the other, certainly noth both at the same time. Like I said earlier, use the nolva on cycle or don’t use it at all.
You dudes are d’ bomb!! Thanks for your quick reply. PCT planned WAS weeks 12-15 Nolvadex 20 mg a day, but with just 500 mg per week of test e only, I may just need to taper. I was not intending to do both - only one or the other. The nolva PCT is so common and has many positive reviews, but in my case here, the taper seems more logical. I wanted 23g pins but got 21g along with “oh, they’ll work just fine. don’t be a wuss” and no I don’t want big holes in my ass.
Later question dealt more with what to I look for post cycle. How to know your not running into major issues. If something does come up, what to do?
On another note, after this cycle I will not start another until the fall. Three months in between. Thoughts…
Current weight is 235 lbs. No specific weight goal attached to first cycle but 250 would be nice if my gains are good.
And World, I feel like I understand and know enough to be willing to do this, but certainly won’t have the knowledge and confidence until some experience has been had. For the last 10 years I’ve just soaked in what I’ve seen and heard. At 39, it’s now or never. So now wins.
Oh, one more thing. I will be doing this without my wife knowing. Is that possible? Have any of you “successfully” done this? I’ll blame it on the Animal Pak and creatine and she’ll never know. I’ve even saved old Halodrol Liquigel packages just in case.
Hoping to hear from bushy and 5.0.
Alright, scandalon, you seem like a decent enough guy so here are my recommendations…
My two cents…
World
[quote]SCANDALON wrote:
Later question dealt more with what to I look for post cycle. How to know your not running into major issues. If something does come up, what to do?
On another note, after this cycle I will not start another until the fall. Three months in between. Thoughts…
Current weight is 235 lbs. No specific weight goal attached to first cycle but 250 would be nice if my gains are good.
Oh, one more thing. I will be doing this without my wife knowing. Is that possible? Have any of you “successfully” done this? I’ll blame it on the Animal Pak and creatine and she’ll never know. I’ve even saved old Halodrol Liquigel packages just in case.[/quote]
It’s funny - I did my first, and my current cycle without my wife’s knowledge. She simply would never understand. What was ironic, though, was she noticed all the symptoms at one time or another, but never put two and two together. She pointed out the size increases, especially in my traps and shoulders, oily skin, acne, and of course libido. Honestly, I don’t like the deception, but she doesn’t like the “muscley” look, amongst other things. So, anyway, it is possible, although you have to be sneaky.
I’ve nothing to compare it to, as I’ve only tried the taper, but it seems the painless way to go coming off cycle. Those that have done both say they wish they knew about or tried the taper versus a Nolva PCT protocol. You are also much more apt to keep the majority of your gains by using the taper.
Arguably, you could begin your next cycle after the 12 week stasis and taper. As in, week 12, your 20mg intake of test, and week 13, the beginning of your next cycle.
I am also 39, and my first cycle was 400mg/week for 12 weeks. My biggest recommendation for you, since our metabolisms are not like our younger counterparts is to keep your diet clean. If you can minimize your fat gain during cycle and taper, you’ll obviously save yourself a lot of trouble in the long run. Protein and carbs in the a.m. and protein and fats during the p.m.
Your goal of 250 pounds is easily achievable; you’ll probably do better than that!
5.0
I once gave myself an IV using a 14g needle.
Marinate on that.
[quote]Contrl wrote:
I once gave myself an IV using a 14g needle.
Marinate on that.[/quote]
That’s like a garden hose.
I used a 22g pin and it left nice sized marks, and got sore at times. I like 25g for my sholders, bi’s, tri’s and a 23g on my glutes.
Thanks Bushy,
You’re one of the guy I tend to follow, along with World, Cortez, Contrl, and others. I can’t wait to get started!!!
Thanks.
Will your wife notice. Mine notices when i get big but she really makes comments when i come off no matter what i do i lose almost everything in about three weeks. Especially since your doing a test only cycle as soon as your off of that test your gonna shrink just put the creatine and stuff up and tell her you have to take off for 6 weeks it always works for me. (Knocking on wood right now) good luck
I’m using 25’s to inject right now…as we speak… no kidding but i am using them currently and ya its slow to go in id prefer 23’s but these do the job you just have to press hard and it takes a little longer
For a 12 week cycle of test e at 500mg/wk, will any testicular atrophy occur? If so, during what week? I don’t plan on HCG this time around.
I’m guessing that’s what my wife would notice most.
Dang man, I was hoping to keep some of the gains. What can I expect to keep? 25% ?? 50% ?? 60% ??
How much of your gains did you keep?
Good idea about “cycling off the creatine” juicn4eva.
Current plan is to go off for some time after cycle to stabilize everything. Is this correct thinking?
And I’m using SizeOn for creatine. So when I “cycle off” you know…
Size on, size off. How could she not buy that?
from my experience, i noticed them shrinking down at week 5-6, nothing extreme though. i dont think anyone else would notice besides me
[quote]juicn4eva wrote:
Will your wife notice. Mine notices when i get big but she really makes comments when i come off no matter what i do i lose almost everything in about three weeks. Especially since your doing a test only cycle as soon as your off of that test your gonna shrink just put the creatine and stuff up and tell her you have to take off for 6 weeks it always works for me. (Knocking on wood right now) good luck[/quote]
You know what, if a woman is the kind of person who can’t be told about your AAS usage (and no offense to you guys here), she is probably ignorant enough about this world of ours in general that you could make any number of excuses that she would readily accept. “Creatine,” “I’m upping my fat calories,” “I’ve changed my workout program and wow is it effective,” even, “damn, I don’t know, I noticed it too!”
I’m certainly thankful I don’t have to hide my usage, but I can also absolutely sympathize with you guys that do. I tried obliquely breaching the subject with my mother. Boy was that a huge mistake! Some people just will not get it. Especially women.
And 5.0, you are brewing without your wife’s knowledge?! Holy crap, you are one bold individual. What do you tell her the lab supplies are for, cooking?!
Yeah, you’ll get some shrinkage, but it won’t be that pronounced and they’ll be back to pretty much normal a couple months after your cycle is finished. Ejaculatory volume tends to decrease, as well, so if you’re really concerned about drawing suspicion, don’t waste your supply in the shower or at the computer!