Test E / Dbol / Deca / Winstrol

Pharma
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Okay so you can see my stats and the conversation about this cycle here:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/first_cycle_recommendations_1

Just putting together a post to clear up what I need to run in terms of Serm / AI / HCG and all that.

Wk 1-12 Test E 500mg / Week
Wk 1-4 Dbol 30mg / Day
Wk 1-10 Deca 400mg / Week
Wk 6-10 Winstrol 50mg / Day*
Wk 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD
Wk 2-10 500iu HCG E3D**

PCT
Wk 14-16 Nolva 20mg / Day

First off, yes this is a lot for my first cycle. My coach has suggested this (The Test E, deca, dbol & winny) for me and I want to get the protocols right on cycle.

  • Is the timing of the winny optimal whilst still on deca to negate joint discomfort from the winstrol?
    ** Will 500iu E3D be enough for 400mg / week of deca?

Any suggestions are much appreciated. Any more information regarding the protocols with HCG & Deca, and the timing of winny with the deca would be helpful.

Thanks
Jekyll

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Should I have W 1-10 Caber 0.5mg 2x/w to prevent / mitigate deca dick??

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IMO to much gear for first time user. If this is your first cycle I’m really interested to see what will be the fifth cycle.

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Yeah thats what i thought when he suggested it in the first place. I’ll have a chat with him and see his reasons and such then make a decision from there, but from the protocols that i’m running (AI, PCT & HCG) does that look fine? or would i possibly need the caber too?

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Personally… deca dose way too low… and throwing in winstrol? why?

What’s the aim of this cycle?

I would bump deca 600mg+, Test same or up to 750mg mid way through, if the dbol is intended to be a frontload then bump that shit to 50mg+, Adex and HCG are fine. Push the deca to 16 weeks and Test for 20 weeks.

But again blood tests will tell you when to come off, cycle ‘weeks’ are just guidelines based and then its the overall goal? If you don’t reach your goal then why come off?

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Aim is to bulk up as much as possible before cutting down for contest. For a first cycle i think the dosages would be fine, I dont want to take such high doses in case I have a bad reaction. I’ll have a look into front loading the test & Deca, bloods will be done pre and post cycle. I will stick to a standard cycle instead of a long cycle (dont really fancy a shutdown)

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Lol that’s why you don’t come off…

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Thats a death wish.

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[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:
Thats a death wish.[/quote]

Lol says who? Your obviously uneducated and pretty ignorant to all of this right now so, who are you to say this? Alot of medical professionals will even say that B and C is much safer than cycling due to the user being able to control and keep his levels balanced completely rather than having inane spikes for a few months and then crashing hard and, do jot kid your self with cycle you have proposed you WILL have a shitty shitty time during PCT.