Test E and EQ cycle, ratio 1:1. Pin freq?

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Hi everyone. I was thinking about a test e and eq stack cycle. 250mg of each compound every week.

Week 1 - 10 Eq 250 mg
Week 2 - 11 Test E 250 mg

This is a cycle from the book: "Anabolics 2006 by William L ".

PCT
Week 13 - 14 : 40 mg/day of Nolvadex
Week 15 - 16 : 20 mg/day of Nolvadex

I need advice on pinning frequency?
Initially, I was thinking of administering both compounds at the same time , once a week. That would be 2 ml total (concentration is 250mg/ml for each compound).

I know that eq has a longer half-life than test e.

But from my previous experience, when i was doing 350 mg/ml of test e a week, pinning 250mg every 5th day.
I once administered 500mg at once in a single shot, somewhere in the middle of the cycle. I did that two times in a row if I recall correctly, not more than 2 times for sure. After that shot I had an acne breakout on my shoulders, the change was very noticeable. It lasted until 1 - 2 months after my PCT.
From my understanding so far, it was probably caused by sudden fluctuations in hormone levels. I had no acne before increasing the dosage.

I don’t want that to happen again, or at least minimize the chance.

What do you think? Should one try administering both compounds, 250+250 mg at the same time for weeks 2 - 10.

Or is it better to do 250 mg of Eq once a week and test e every 5th day?

Problem is that test E comes in 1ml ampoules (250mg/ml), and I would like the ratio to be 1:1.

Anyone with experience in this topic, please share your advice

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EQ is a slow build in the system. I would run it 14 weeks min.
Start both compounds at the same time and pin each 2x per week, mon/thurs.
Start PCT 3 weeks after last pin and run for 7 weeks
Nolvadex 60/60/40/40/20/20/10

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Everything @s.gentz stated x2 for me.

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Ok. I think I will structure the administration according to the plan that you provided. Thank you for your advice

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Alright. How is boldenone different from testosterone e in your opinion? I’ve heard that it could potentially give a stronger pump than test e, since it increases the number of red blood cells. Also might give an increased mental focus because of higher oxygen concentration in the blood.

I’ve also read somewhere that it is not as anabolic as testosterone though. How many times stronger is test e than eq, is it possible to say?

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that’s gonna be too soon to start your PCT when using a long ester product like EQ. it needs to clear out first. I’d suggest stopping your EQ but continuing the Test injections for 5-6 weeks, then taking a 3-4 weeks break after those injections and start your PCT.

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That is a good point. Do you recommend continuing with the same dosage, 250mg of Test for 5 to 6 weeks after stopping the EQ?

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Eq is different as it’s a direct AI.
It’s from the testosterone family.

Both are considered Class 1 compounds.

You should not jump into this cycle without bloodwork on just test at your max dosages.
You need to see where your e2 is pre eq.

At a 1:1 dosing protocol you may crash your e2.

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I have never crashed my E2 on Boldenone, always did 1:1, but i dont use it anymore as it is kidney toxic. Watched some Vigorous Steve videos on YT, and did read some studies also.
But its a good stuff for gains indeed. Been as high as 900 mg / week. No issues.

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EQ need to be ran at higher levels to get noticed effects.
At 250mg/week i wouldn’t even use it.

Test at 250mg isn’t even a legit cycle.

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Your goals determine the dose. I’d run it at whatever level you need, just give time for the EQ to leave and consider any e2 issues that might arise.

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Read your post again with more time.

Bump the test dose to atleast 400 and pin every day.

The EQ needs to be 800 to make a significant difference or it’s not worth the effort.

This always helped my acne as well as my estrogen levels.
Yes it’s a bitch but 70mg+ per day with good gear is easy.

You can do up to 1/2 ml sub q per pin site

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Hahahaha wow

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I was just about to say something similar. Lotta bro science going on there.

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So I want to discuss this for a second

The idea boldenone is uniquely nephrotoxic comes from the following

  • rodent models/animal studies looking at boldenone’s effect on the kidney
  • boldenone supposedly increases RBC production more so than other AAS… erythropoietin is produced within the kidneys therefore boldenone clearly imparts a stronger effect on the kidney in this capacity

But changing the delicate balance of the RAAS would also be a consequence of a steroid that is highly nephrotoxic… is significant hypertension common with boldenone?

There is a condition called focal segmental glomerulosclerosis that is often seen amongst bodybuilders who use AAS for long periods of time

How AAS can cause FSGS is multifaceted… but altered protein metabolism, they cause glomerular hyper filtration and whatnot which contributes to FSGS

take a look at the rodent and animal studies on boldenone… now look to see if you can find identical studies looking at nandrolone, testosterone, trenbolone etc and the effect they have on the same parameters the boldenone studies look at

You can’t really find them… researchers happened to look at boldenones impact on kidney health in rodents… I recall seeing one study in humans thst inferred perhaps boldenone altered protein metabolism more so than other AAS, but it was an observational study looking at bodybuilders running cycles and the guy running EQ was running like four other compounds…

with that in mind, it’s highly likely given what we know about AAS and impact on RAAS, adrenergic signaling etc that all have the potential to cause downstream effects that lead to scarring of the kidneys long term

Some (tren cough cough) are clearly more prone to inducing kidney damage than others

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen any reliable evidence suggesting EQ is more kidney toxic than say… deca or test.

I’d believe it if you told me it was more toxic than say… primo…

Anecdotally EQ was the mildest AAS I’ve ever tried barring primo… except EQ increases hematocrit more so that’s potentially a concern if you are prone to developing secondary polycythemia

I don’t seem to get a terrible E2 crash Eben if it’s like 75mg test 200mg EQ etc

Either that or I just don’t feel it when E2 is bottomed out?

I just don’t buy it being uniquely toxic… though I have seen some concerning anecdotes of guys reporting skewed bio markers on bloods from EQ indicting kidney strain to be present but it’s few and far in between and generally these guys aren’t just taking like test and EQ it’s a stack of like test EQ, an oral, maybe some tren etc

And it’s like cycle number 15… so who is to say that’s the EQ, given in Supra doses ALL AAS are implicated in causing kidney damage?

There’s a drug called trestolone that seems to be very kidney toxic and many don’t seem to talk about it (granted it’s a relatively new/novel compound)…. But look at the uncontrollable hypertension many report on that drug… superdrol as well… but everyone knows superdrol is very toxic

Studies on rodents can be extrapolated to relate to humans sometimes, but rodents have different hormonal/metabolic/enzymatic pathways therefore while we can infer if AAS cause cardiomyopathy and eventual heart failure in rodents and we have tons of literature to support the idea AAS causes this in humans (there’s a curve on genetic susceptibility here) the rodent data is somewhat relevant but rodents are clearly more susceptible to some of these effects

We don’t have enough decent research on AAS to know whether a drug like EQ is markedly more toxic… there are some drugs like tren where it’s just so obvious (on bloodwork as well as the way it makes people feel)

Have you seen a lot of kidney damage directly attributed to EQ?

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Me personally no, but Vigorous Steve and the Anabolic Doc on YT saw some clients.

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It’s possible

I’ve heard anecdotes

But honestly I think EQ is probably just as toxic as say test, deca etc

All of them are toxic to the kidneys