Halo is also not the easiest to get (harder to get than Var). It is a good option though. Cheque drops might work too. The old school strongman guys were using those a lot.
Anadrol has a pro to it in that in can put water weight on very quickly. If doing a water cut a day before a meet, dbol or drol can be utilized to put water back on.
I read a story about spaghetti being launched at high velocity in front on ones familyā¦ Iām not sure Iām willing to mess with that lol.
Didnāt even think of that angle. Very good point.
Day 40 Update:
The anadrol experiment went very well. Friday I took 50mg preworkout, it was a pretty light workout so I didnāt draw any conclusions from that. Yesterday I took 75 mg preworkout and damn did I have a helluva deadlift/stone load workout.
I hit a double at 580 on the axle deadlift it was about an RPE 7.5-8 (the biggest double I have ever hit before yesterday was 551). Just 8 days prior I hit an all time PR at 586 on the axle and it was RPE 9. I would guess it is a combination of lifting progression and the anadrol. Iām starting to think mid 600ās will be possible on competition day, but the way the weight jumps will go, most likely itāll go from 615 to 665 (Based on the wording of the rules, 635 is a possibility for a weight jump, but I think based on adding either a 25 or 45, itāll end up going from 615 to 665. The axle is 75lbs not 45lbs). Iāll hit 615, but I donāt think 665 is there on an axle. After this training block Iāll be disappointed if I canāt hit 650-675 on a DL bar.
For stones I hit an 8x2 on the 300 lb atlas stone with 30s rest between sets at the end of my workout. This is a huge deal for me because it was flawlessly executed AND I didnāt have to deal with my inhaler at all.
The only other question I have regarding the anadrol is: how much is enough/too much? I am thinking 75/100mg the day-of-weigh-ins/day-of-competition. I donāt plan to run anadrol again until then.
I would do just what you practiced. Maybe do 75 on the day before too.
Day 42 Update:
The anadrol experiment went well with my strength, but I managed to put on and keep 6 lbs of water weight since last Friday morning. I weighed 243.8 Friday, then I weighed 248.2 Sunday morning and 249.2 Monday morning and 249.0 todayā¦ Iām not in full panic mode, but I really wanted/needed to be 242 by this Friday. This is certainly a WTF moment. Itās normal for me to be 6 lbs heavy on Sunday morningās, but usually by Tuesday I am only a pound or two heavy, not 6.
Hit a top triple at 345 yesterday on the Viking press at RPE 8.5, then one set at 305 for 12 reps in 60s and one set at 295 for 13 reps in 60s. It shouldāve been a bit higher than this. Probably 3-5 reps more on each set. So I know that I am peaking at exactly the right time. The fatigue from this training block is catching up, but that is the point of a deload heading into a competition. I am less than 3 weeks out now. The rest of the workout was fine, but nothing else was really all that heavy.
2x6 dumbbell push press with the 60ās
3x5 neutral grip row machine with 205 loaded on
3x6 single arm dumbbell incline bench super set with 3x10 dumbbell pullovers
3x8 bird dog row
I also had by far my worst bout with tren cough yesterday. It is only the 3rd time I have had it in 42 days, but this one was cold sweats, it felt like I was having an asthma attack (I wasnāt but that was kind of the feeling), coughing up the water I accidentally inhaled and trying not to puke all at the same time. Any other time it has just been a moderate āitchy throatā type of cough.
It may not help in time, but Iāve been using GLP-1 for the last 10 days for my summer cut, and itās amazing. After a shot I feel like I just ate a giant thanksgiving dinner & am stuffed. Down 4lbs already. Give it a go?
Never heard of that stuff. Any big drawbacks?
None so far, and none that Iāve read about, besides some nausea. You know that full/sick feeling after eating too much? Itās basically that feeling in liquid form.
Itās been used for diabetes for years, and a side effect they noticed was loss of hunger. Now itās being marketed as an appetite suppressant.
If you follow Vigorous Steve on YouTube heās been using it to help mimic a fasting diet for months now.
Interesting. I like vigorous Steve
I recently started watching his videos - heās really good. Heās very knowledgeable, and he gives away a lot of high-quality information for free.
I think Iāll save the GLP-1 for the next cut. I am not cutting weight past Friday. I want to maintain my weight for at least a couple weeks so my body can acclimate to it. Unfortunately I didnāt drop as much weight as I wanted. I started at 249 and for down to just under 244 (wanted 242) but I think the sub 244 was just being glycogen depleted and dehydrated. I am sitting closer to 245-246 currently.
The way I see it is that there is 2 possible reasons I didnāt cut the weight I wanted to:
I wasnāt in a big enough caloric deficit (most likely)
tren uses every single calorie you put in your body. What I mean by this is: I know for a fact I went from eating about 3100 calories per day to around 2350 (however with refeeds and feeling gassed I kept over eating the 2300 cals mark, but I really donāt believe I was eating enough to make up a damn near 5000 cal deficit per week. So letās adjust it and say I was eating 2600 cals/day. Is it possible that at 3100 cals my body was only utilizing 2800 cals without tren? There is no way the human body is 100% efficient to use 100% of the cals ingested. And with tren at 2600 cals/day my body is utilizing 2500 cals? Everyone constantly mentions nutrient partitioning as one of the largest benefits of tren.
Here is the only known fact, I was eating too much to lose as much weight as I wanted to. I am not trying to make excuses as to how or why I didnāt lose the weight. It is my fault. but I wonder if I need to be at an even greater deficit when running tren to lose the weight. (If I had stuck with 2350 instead of 2600 Iām sure I wouldāve lost the weight I wanted to). I did drop 3-4 lbs over 5 weeks, but I needed to drop 7 and that didnāt happen.
Gotcha, didnāt know how long you planned to drop for (youāve probably mentioned the goal and I just forgot).
I find itās hard to see the scale go down on AAS, even just high dose test. Maybe youāre right in that youād need a larger deficit to see the scale actually move?
No worries, I appreciate the input as always. I will definitely be giving that stuff a try for my next cut though. I can (usually) deal with the hunger, it was the feeling of being gassed and depleted that made me feel the need to eat more.
Day 44 Update:
The main point of this thread was to catalogue and maintain a document of my experiences and side effects with the cycle that I am running. With that said, apparently mood sides are creeping in and I didnāt realize it.
Apparently I am rude or sarcastic a lot and donāt realize it. In my head I feel like I am fine, but according to my wife I have been kinda shitty lately. I guess this is due to whatever tren does with dopamine and dopamine receptors. So any input I could get with that would be excellent. I think I have heard of prami (pramipexole?) but I know with stuff like that the sides can be worse than the cure sometimes. As of today I have been actively trying to alter my behavior, and so far I am doing fine, but it is also only about 3 hours into my day. If I can manage it well enough that it is not an issue, then I wonāt worry too much about it (and I prefer that to taking more drugs) otherwise tren may not be in my future.
I havenāt irreparably damaged or ruined my relationship with my family, but apparently I am having a clear mood shift.
Anyways, on to last nightās training.
front SSB pause squat (2 second pause in the hole) top double at RPE 7, 340 lbs
700 lb yoke runā¦ now this was pretty terrible, I made it about 12 feet on my first run and 25 feet on my second run, competition distance is 100 ft. HOWEVER, this is the first competition prep I have been in that I have even been able to run competition weight for any distance at all. So I am making pretty good progress. I will definitely hit 100 ft on competition day.
2 pick and runs (only ran about 10 ft) with 250 keg and 300 sandbag. This was more to work on my pickup and take off, since that is the weakest part of my medley, but I am still fast enough that I believe I have a good chance of winning the medley, or at least place high.
chest supported low machine row, 4 plates per side 3x8
banded prone hamstring curls 3x20
reverse hypers 4x20
I am pretty much at my peak right now, which is perfect timing since I am two weeks out from the competition. A good deload and Iāll be ready to go kill it.
I donāt think pramipexole will help. If somebody has tried it they can chime in and correct me, but I donāt see how it could help you other than lifting your mood. But you didnāt specify any issues with bad mood.
Iād 10x rather try to fix this without prami than with it. Always good if you can avoid dopamine agonists.
I think I can get it under control. When I want something or want to do something, nothing stops me. And there are two things I want with respect to this post. I want to love and be loved by my family, and I want to be able to continue to use 19-nors because they make a HUGE difference in my training and strength.
I noticed this creeping in using tren as well. Once i realized what was happening I was able to control it. If you donāt realize your doing it you donāt realize your doing it. Once you realize itās easy to moderate yourself. I had some moodiness coming on recently during a test/deca/primo cycle and was able to catch and correct easily.
I fully intend to make this my fix. Iām generally a pretty mentally strong person and I think I can handle it fine. I just have to put in the time and energy
Youāll manage it, man. Once you know thereās a problem itās a lot easier to solve it. And just so itās put in print do not use prami for this issue, it will make things worse.