Hey @anon18050987, I tried doing a little searching but couldn’t find anything, is using HCG out of the question? If I just run 500 IU HCG per week, would that be the same as being on TRT? I mean I understand they’re not the same compound, and HCG is not exogenous test, but would that cause me to create too much test to facilitate healing of my eye? Probably an odd or bad question, but I feel like I have to ask. I still feel fine right now (12 days post last shot, in about 8 more days I’ll be “clear” of exogenous test) but I am not sure how much worse I will begin to feel in the next few days.
HCG is the female version of LH, but appears to act the same as LH in the male body (the testosterone signaling male hormone). I would think you would be okay with it, but I’ll let @anon18050987 chime in as he is as thorough as anyone on here it seems. I would do EOD injections of HCG based on half life. I think you could do something like 300 iu EOD and that would get you to about natty levels.
I did HCG monotherapy 500 iu EOD, and it got me to about 600 ng/dL TT FWIW.
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Ok, I may start doing this. I forgot you had mentioned this previously, so I apologize for asking a question that has already been answered.
Sometimes I get hard headed and don’t look at the options in depth. two good examples are: 1) I fucked up my eye but I initially demanded to compete anyways (I changed my mind after taking time to think about it). 2) Other options are out the to keep from fucking up my hormones but I chose to come off cold turkey for the sake of healing (again, I changed my mind after taking time to think about it).
To anyone curious, I did start back up on HCG. I’ll be pinning 250 IU 2x/wk. I have pinned two times as of today and my vision is not taking the steps backwards like it did with NPP or Test. I would say my vision is actually still progressing forward as it should. Just really fucking slow progress.
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So, 5 week update from previous eye injection:
I had another eye injection today, and I’d rather get shot at again then have to keep doing those injections. It fucking sucks. But luckily it is my last one, instead of having 3 I only needed 2.
With that said all of the fluid is gone from between my eye and retina. I am cleared to start lifting again in 48 hours. I will continue running HCG only for at least the first 2 to 4 weeks to see how my eye holds up. Then after that I’ll jump back on my TRT only for now. I’ll worry about gear and cycles after I know my eye will hold up to intense training.
Thanks to all that contributed to this issue and helping me resolve it. I had every intention of staying on TRT, not realizing the exogenous test was exacerbating the issue. Apparently HCG does not, at least for me it did not.
One last favor to ask, can anyone help find any literature on reoccurence? I have been unable to find anything and none of the doctors that I have talked to seem to know either.
Thanks
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Hey unreal, I know this is one of your favorite topics (at least from your enthusiasm of your posts). Since today I know that one guy in my extended family has it. He got prescribed red yeast rice and ASS. He’s been taking that for more than 6 months now.
I didn’t see his bloods but it seems odd his doctors would opt for RYR if it’s genetic. Also there’s the rhabdo thing if he takes some macrolid antibiotics or drinks too much grapefruit juice.
He’s generally a very healthy and fit person (around 50 yo) but I would have expected more intervention. I gotta take a look at his situation next time I see him.
Any thoughts on this?
Y u added HCG in ur cycle.? Because u put a compound which comes from Nandrolon family.?
I always run HCG on cycle and on cruise (I am on TRT). My sexual health feels much better. The first two cycles I ever ran, before getting on TRT, I just kinda felt like my wiener didn’t work that well. It had nothing to do with running the Nandrolone
You can get gyno from npp tren and deca not from aromatizing but the prolactin that this compounds do… you need p5p for npp and caber for tren or deca … of course p5p can be used at lie dose of tren but be careful
NPP and Deca are the same hormone. I can’t really imagine the ester would cause one to need Caber?
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The prolactin build up for deca is worse than npp… I only know because that was my problem for when I cycle deca and got bad side effects from it. At the time I didn’t know but I believed it was because I wasn’t using the AI which I should have been regardless. But it was a proactive build-up that cause me to have a lil gyno tenderness… But you are right trendeka and NPP are nor 19’s…
They are all in the same family, but npp and deca are the same hormone with a different ester attached. Tren is modified at the molecular level, which changes it’s properties even more. Npp is like test prop, and deca is like test decanonate.
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So then it be better to take test prop with tread ace instead of tren E? And Deca with testosterone deconate? Or would test C or e be better options?
I somehow doubt this. NPP is more potent mg for mg so it doesn’t make sense you would have more prolactin from the long ester.
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I’m not too sure about the science… this is just what I been told . Deca and tren you need caber for med to hight doses… Npp you can get away with using P5P… Don’t get me wrong caber should be your go to in all cases but if you can’t get caber than P5P is better than nothing
Was your dose and duration of the NPP and Deca the same?
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haven’t took npp yet… I’m doing that after my tren cycle… Deca cycle was years ago and it was a complete fail… I had tenderness under nips for a couple years because deca cycle…I wasn’t educated enough to even start the compound to be safe with it… I had no A.i or prolactin control… I still have tenderness which I’m still battling …
I have read several studies suggesting that P5P works as well as caber for prolactin control, but this is usually in female populations that don’t necessarily have artificially high prolactin from running nandrolone.
With that said I ran 200 mg/day P5P during my 14 week NPP cycle (350 mg/wk) and did not have any perceived prolactin issues. Never touched any Caber. P5P is cheaper and much safer (with respect to side effects) than Caber.
How did you like npp? I think imma run that for my next cycle… Npp and primo or anavar … I’m not too sure maybe with eq what do you think is best for cutting?
I won’t go into too much detail about all of my experiences with NPP and oxandrolone because that is all in this thread and it’s too much to rewrite. I will say I liked it and I didn’t have too many issues with it. I did get fairly lean with Test/NPP/Oxandrolone running maintenance level calories, and I got a bit stronger too. I did cut my cycle a week short due to an eye injury though.
Read post #1, 16, 19, 21, 29, 30, 34, 35, 37, 38, 39, 44, 47, 52, 56, 60, 65, 66, 67, 70, 72, 81, 84, 135, 162, 167, 172, 186. I know that’s a lot of different posts, but those contain all of the information I poured into this thread to try to detail my entire experience. It will tell you how I am feeling, how my body changed, how strong I got, and the issues with my eye.