Anadrol is a lot stronger. It is also cheaper, and less faked. A buddy of mine loves the stuff. I have only taken one pill pre-workout, so I don’t have any experience with it. My buddy that uses it swears it is awesome for strength (dude is a freak, has deadlifted over 800 @ 210 lbs and is about 6’ tall).
If you run it, have nolva on hand. It can cause a weird gyno that isn’t treatable with AIs.
Well I finally pinned my quad today (I spoke with a buddy about it yesterday and he showed me how he does it with zero issues) and it was completely a non-issue. No nerves, no blood, no oil, no pain. I only wish I had tried it sooner. It’ll definitely become part of the rotation.
Once I get used to a spot it isn’t bad. I like delts now, but it was pretty intimidating the first pin. It is kinda a whole new thing each time I pick a new site.
@plinnyc88 I wanted to include you so you can have some insight on big, bad, and scary Nandrolone. I know I don’t have a proper private school education like you, but maybe I can write at a level high enough for your big brain to understand.
Day 80 update:
Overall training has been going pretty good. I am peaking for a competition in about 3.5 weeks and I am beat. I had to taper down for a week to get feeling just good enough to finish the peak. The Oxandrolone is still a bit underwhelming I think but I have enough to finish this blast and I figure it can’t hurt, might help with respect to strength.
Overall I am loving the NPP. I have had zero physical sides after 11.5 weeks (No ED or libido issues, if anything it’s even better than before and it was really good before NPP, and nothing prolactin related, I guess the P5P has helped with that), running 245 mg/wk in the beginning and up to 350 now. I am actually gonna increase one last time to 400 mg/wk starting September 30th.
My training is suffering a little bit but that is due to the peaking, not the gear. Every competition I peak for I start crashing the last few weeks, but I always manage to put up a good showing on gameday. Just yesterday I hit a log clean and press at 275 for a solid double, this is only 5 lbs below my 1RM that I set a few weeks ago, so growth is definitely occuring. My yoke is getting better and I managed to throw a 50 lb sandbag over a 15’ bar 4 times in a row (50 lb bag is the biggest of the 4 in the series so I know I’m definitely good on that event). My deadlift is growing much slower than I would like but I’m fairly certain that is due to poor technique. Tomorrow I am shooting for a 3x2 at 550.
Pissant dolt out
Another progress pic for anyone interested. From February 18th to last Friday, September 18th… so exactly 7 months. 262 on the left and 245 on the right. By far the leanest I have been in my entire life. Yea the gear helps but I have been training, recovering and clean eating my ass off.
Day 88 Update:
Never again am I pinning my quads. I have tried 3 times now and it feels terrible. The pinning itself goes just fine, but within 12 to 24 hours it feels like someone hit me in the leg with a baton. It is incredibly hard to walk and there is about an 8" diameter red circle around the injection site. The pain has subsided a lot (pinned the quad 3 days ago) but is still mildly painful. Almost looks like a bad reaction to the injection, but I have been using this exact same stuff in my glutes for months now.
Anyway, enough bitching. Training is going good but I am beat up. Luckily this week is my last heavy week. I hit a 650 yoke for 120’ in about 50 seconds last Friday (which is slow but it’s good for me) and I pulled 575 this morning. With as shitty as I feel, that is an excellent DL for me, second biggest I have ever hit.
Does anyone ever get heartburn from gear? I eat pretty clean but as soon as I eat one surgary thing (today it was one jolly rancher) it make my acid reflux act up. This just started last week and I can only wonder if it is the Oxandrolone causing this.
Otherwise no new updates. I have 2.5 weeks left on cycle.
I got some burn while taking oxandrolone. Could have been other things, but I do remember having it at that time.
This happened to me too for the first few weeks of Oxanadrolone
Day 94 update:
Still loving this cycle overall, aside from the frequent pinning. Anyone that has been reading this already knows that I’ve bitched about it a lot haha. My body is trashed from peaking, and luckily yesterday was my last heavy day. From here it is taper and deload as well as starting my water load for my water cut.
Woke up this morning at 248 after a partial weekend of shit eating (though with the way I ate I feel like I should’ve been 253ish. But I also fast a lot when I eat a lot of shit). Last week I started shedding a bit of water and I’m not entirely sure why. In a 2 day span I went from 247 to 243 while eating extra carbs and sodium to try not to shed the weight. It’s not that bad I suppose but I wanted to start my water cut right around 245. I don’t want my weight to start fluctuating so much right before competition. I’m probably over thinking it and worried about nothing but I want to try to remain consistent.
I hit two PR’s this past week on OHP. On Thursday I hit a 265 lb strict press, 20 lb PR for strict press at my current weight, with a football bar (multi-grip bar) and on Sunday I hit a 290 log clean and push press, for a 10 lb PR. Competition weight on the log is 290 so I am glad I was able to hit that and I know I won’t “zero” the event. I think there are 2-3 reps there on gameday. I’m particularly happy with the log clean and press PR because Saturday I went and trained heavy on my other event stuff (yoke, sandbags and husafell carry) and was feeling beat and not really recovered from Saturday’s training going in to Sunday.
No further updates.
One more thing I was just thinking about, is there any correlation between gear usage and temporary loss of sight/optic nerve damage? I very highly doubt there is any correlation but I think, in my case, it is worth asking. The husafell stone run on Saturday left me with a blind spot in my right eye. It is not dead center, but also not in the periphery. It is just to the right and just below dead center. It is already getting better after about 48 hours and I can kind of see through it again, now it is more like a spot you get in your eye from staring at a bright light instead of just solid black.
Thanks for any input
Day 101 update:
Well fuck. The eye issue I have is called Central Serous Retinopathy. I had to pull out of the competition because it has a high potential of leading to permanent blindness in my right eye if I continue to push (and competing balls to the wall for 2 days straight would likely be enough to do just that). I have about 6-10 days worth of gear left so I am going to finish up the cycle but FUCK. I’m super frustrated about not being able to compete. I went back and forth for about 4 days, but obviously permanent vision loss is not worth one competition, regardless of how big it is I suppose.
I LOVED the cycle I ran and will definitely run something like this again in the future. I’ll keep y’all updated as I cycle off and go back to TRT. I may run it a little higher than 180 mg/wk, maybe like 200-220.
Aside from pinning 1.6 mL EOD, there wasn’t a down side to this cycle. I’m bigger, stronger, and leaner than when I started. Now I just gotta maintain this and heal up for my next competition. Should take about 2 months to heal fully.
Wow, thanks for all of that.
So it appears that exogenous testosterone can contribute to this, and if I read correctly, the fluid may not completely go away until I come off altogether?
I guess this could be considered a (rare) side effect of AAS. One thing that I have not had any luck finding is: does this mean it is likely to reoccur assuming I let it heal completely?
Sorry to hear about your eye issues and the competition. I also love anavar and have run several blasts with it. My most recent happened to coincide with my semi-annual blood work and my cholesterol was 350! I’m pretty sure its attributable to the anavar. My point here is that you might want to get a lipid panel while its still in your system as a background measurement for future blasts and maybe take some precautionary measures to help reduce it.
No shit. All of the sudden I’m on fish oil and flax seed and red rice yeast to get it down in the next month or the dr will have a fit.
This can certainly strain the eyes. I have had blood vessels pop in my eyes during squats (also I have had blood breach the skin). Valsalva, can increase BP to crazy numbers for a short time. I would stay away from any weights or movements in which Valsalva is needed for the time being.
Yea I think I know exactly what caused it. I was trying to pick up a 375 lb husafell stone from the ground (which is not part of my training) and I had also eaten a ton of salt tablets that days as well as drink a lot of water. Most likely it was too much salt and water for the amount of sweating I did that day (which was some but not excessive). This probably caused high blood pressure, coupled with picking up something far heavier than I should have been trying to pick up. Obviously the AAS played a role too, I’m not trying to down play that. But that 375 stone wasn’t THAT heavy compared to stuff I was doing even just a couple of days prior.
When I started strength training I blew out capillaries all over my body, including in one eye which was blood-stained for several weeks. Also in my arms and chest. Then this happened again when I first went on TRT and took on a bunch of fluid. Hasn’t happened in a while, though, even though I am training heavier. I also experienced a migraine aura without any proceeding migraine pain. It looked like a subtle, moving psychedelic kaleidoscope stripe in one eye. It happened after an OHP and I suspect I popped a capillary or similar in my eye or brain.
Whatever.
My BP is fantastic and has only gone down since starting exogenous test.
Well reading through some of the articles, it appears that blood pressure/ocular pressure alone isn’t the lone culprit. It appears as though increased testosterone physically changes the eye, decreasing macular thickness and decreasing the subretinal fluid level.
I’m not a doctor, but the way I read that is this potentially decreases intraocular pressure and weakens (maybe not the correct term) the macula, allowing a higher likelihood of fluid coming between the macula and the retina? Again I could be reading this wrong, but I think this implies that the issue goes far beyond blood pressure. My blood pressure has been riding in the 125ish/65ish range for the entirety of my 15 week cycle, HOWEVER during a very strong valsalva maneuver (in my case, bracing real hard trying to pick up a heavy ass husafell stone from the ground) in which blood pressure skyrockets, combined with the changes in my eye due to AAS use, along with an abundance of sodium/water, was probably the perfect storm to make this happen. I have braced far harder than this for a much longer duration several times in my life, even several times within the last few weeks, and have never had this issue that I can recall.
Haha, I definitely get your point. I have been on the peak of “Mount Stupid” plenty of times. Anyone that believes they have not, is simply fooling themself, or is just perpetually stuck there because they already “know everything” and do not need to further educate themselves…
I try to read through everything that I can, which is why I appreciate when you and others like you post information. I may not read it line for line and look up every single word I do not understand. But at the very least I take the time to digest and understand the information given.
So if you don’t go heavy…you just go back home? 
