Hi gang. I’ve been on the test E (200mg per week) and DECA (200mg per week) split the dose into two shots weekly —-now for almost ten weeks and loving the change in the gym. However in the last week or two I am starting to discover what Deca Dick means🤪. Whereas usually I’m shooting a good load 2 maybe 3 times a day. The last two weeks I have trouble getting hard and if I can get hard it doesn’t last and I finally just give up and go to the gym
I have heard and read about Deca Dick. It with a dose of only 200mg per week and matching it with test E200mg per week I didn’t think it would happen. So question —-is it the DECA or maybe I’m just tired from too much gym. Also how to I make it go away ? I am thinking I will stop the DECAat the 10th week anyway so hopefully that is all it will take ?? I have two more bottles of DECA and was origins,lay planning to stay on this low 200mg of DECA for several mor wepeks but dointwant to kill off the sex stuff. Any ideas anyone ? Thanks!,
Hi buddy- question about Deca- having already finished one bottle that has ether(oil). I now have two bottles of 200mg Nandrolone that the pharmacy said was “pure” Nandrolone (vs DECA) as the FDA or something is now banning any DECA -cracking down, etc., so I have 200mg Nandrolone with NO ester- it looks like water actually-
So continuing on the TEST # at 200mg per week- (split the dose every 3.5 days) and now I have this nandrolone with no ester- do you think taking 200mg of the Nandrolone with 200mg TEST E works ?
Not sure if the Nandrolone being esterless- is different than the regular DECA with oil.
Also, do you know if I can just put the TEST E and the Nandrolone into the same syrgine- so I am not pinning 4 times a week ?
Thanks unread24278 and anyone else that might be able to answer-
Deca is short for Deca Durabolin, the brand alloted to nandrolone decanoate. the brand of ND Deca Durabolin I believe is no longer produced in the USA, however nandrolone decanoate can be produced in generic formula in compounding pharmacies, typically in 5ml vials. If your Nandrolone is truly esterless (which seems strange) it’ll only have a half life of >12hrs and would needed to be injected 1-2x/day to maintain stable levels of the hormone. Testosterone and Nandrolone can go in the same syringe.
Thanks buddy- The Nandrolone is definitely not thick like my Test E- something is going on with the DEA and compounding pharmacies are now not allowed to make DECA in the USA- I was told it happened with Testosterone E several years ago and took over a year before it was allowed back on the market-
It was because of this that the compounding pharmacy (with my doc’s prescription on file for both DECA and Test E) advised me that they would instead give me “pure” - his words Nandrolone and when I asked more questions- (they get too busy to bother) the guy continued that it was basically ester-less - when I go online doing searches- you can imagine the confusion as there are so many things under the “DECA” profile- but suffice to say- this Nandrolone is definitely not mixed with a thick oil as my TEST E is.
As I am injecting (per doc script) 200mg of TEST E per week divided into two shots- how much of this 200mg Nandrolone do you think I should take ? Fortunately as it’s “almost like water” I can use insulin needles for the Nandrolone and just inject into my biceps or pecs- as there is no fat there to get through- so might not end up mixing it with the Test E after all.
My docs script calls for 200mg of TEST E and 200mg of “DECA” per week and of course he wasn’t aware that the compounding pharmacy can no longer supply DECA- and the doc is gone for over a week now- so I’m not sure how much per week to inject and the pharmacy guy could not advise on that of course- if the Nandrolone is a more frequent shot- and I’m using insulin needles for non fat area (IM) injections I guess I could just take a bunch of small injections throughout the week - just not sure how much total Nandrolone per week would match the 200mg of DECA that I was taking.
Hope I’m not making things more complicated buddy- it’s 5am here- so I’m kinda in a fog- lol lol having some coffee and heading to the gym shortly.
Oh- do you think this Nandrolone injected several times throughout the week (into bis or pecs, etc.,) will help any with workouts ? The 200mg of DECA did help a lot- and no joint pain either-
I believe, although I may be wrong, that the decanoate ester takes up 38 percent of the amount of the hormone per mg. Therefore, 1ml of nandrolone decanoate would be the equivalent of 124mgs of ester less nandrolone weekly. If the instructions on the bottle say 200mg/week and you have enough and you truly have ester less nandrolone then you’ve got extra nandrolone (yay). As to helping with workouts. Test suspension helps with workouts when injected at high doses (say 100mg an hour pre-workout), whether nandrolone would do the same I’m not sure as it doesn’t have the same androgenicity as testosterone does, however if you are injecting the equivalent of 200mg ND over the week it shouldn’t give you any more of a boost than deca regularly would. As to joint pain, yea, nandrolone works wonders for joint pain. Finally, I’m not sure I’m really qualified to be answering all these questions as I have far less experience with these compounds than most people on this website, and sometimes experience trumps knowledge, you are probably better off asking a vet on the website for future reference, I hope this answer helps. Cheers
Thanks unreal24278 You most definitely are awesome for helping me out with this info. While I have this stuff and since my doc won’t be back till after the July 4th weekend- I have about 10 days to inject the Nandrolone and see how it goes- but will trying 100mg an hour or so before my workouts- which undoubtedly will be more total Nandrolone per week than the 200mg (split into two shots) I was injecting each week- the Nandrolone being 200mg per 1ml and injecting 100mg possibly 4 or 5 times per week - guess I’ll be getting a bit more in my system as there is no ester. The stuff kinda looks like colored water - and I can even draw with an insulin needle- and then inject directly into delta or pecs, etc., so the multiple shots will be a lot easier- the Test E as you know is so thick I have to draw with a 20 gauge and then inject into my legs or butt with a 25 gauge and it is super slow - thick-
The Nandrolone is so different- I’d love to give this Test S a try but being on tRt therapy I’m sure the doc wants me to stick with the slower Test E
That being said I had a bunch of blood work done and will see how my numbers look next week when he returns from va-K
I’m sure he won’t put me back on the 400mg of Test E per week as my test shot up to over 2,000 when I had blood work done a week after the last shot- which is why he moved me back to 200mg of Test E per week but added the DECA (which we can’t get anymore apparently)
Not sure what’s up with DEA stuff- but pharmacy said in the US there is a n=major crack down now at these compounding pharmacies- they are double checking a prescription is on file and also outlawing the mixing of a lot of things (like the DECA) so if my doc doesn’t NOT want me on this pure Nandrolone that the pharmacy just gave me- not sure what the doc will then prescribe.
Hey- are you in the states ? Not sure if you have had any issues getting gear…
Given that the nandrolone is esterless you may see some quick gains as the stuff will kick in almost instantly, however higher doses of nandrolone can have side side-effects you should be aware of. These side effects fall into the realms of possible rather than guaranteed. Prolactin build up (depends on how sensitive the individual is to prolactin based side effects) can cause lactation. Progesterone related side effects such as brain fog, fatigue and erectile dysfunction are also possible. Once again I’m not an expert on this, you’re probably better off asking a vet about potential side effects.
Testosterone suspension isn’t available in America (pharm grade), I believe India may still produce it, however it comes in 1ml amps of 25mg each. You may be able to get testosterone propionate, however for TRT test E is more practical.
If for some reason you can’t get nandrolone decanoate anymore and your doctor is comfortable prescribing anabolics, there are a few other FDA approved anabolic steroids that can be prescribed off label.
Almost all of these bodybuilders weigh between 350 to 400 pounds which is an ASTRONOMICAL body weight which would only be healthy if one were ten feet tall or more.
Having such tremendous amount of body mass can cause cardiomegaly (heart enlargement) by itself in the complete absence of AAS.
Many of these guys have multiple factors of which each by themselves can make the heart enlarge and when combined together raise the odds even more.
When AAS are involved too many doctors stop right there to point the blame and ignore the multiple other factors that were present and by themselves were fully capable of causing heart enlargement.
I’m not disagreeing that AAS aren’t nearly as bad as people make them out to be, however they aren’t COMPLETELY benign either.
I don’t use AAS in supraphysiologic doses yet, right. I’m 5,5, about 155lbs and 15 percent bodyfat, my BMI is like 25, classifying me as overweight (which clearly isn’t true, I just have slightly more muscle mass than the average individual). If I run a cycle (which should be happening soon) I may shoot up to 170-175lbs which isn’t a very healthy weight for someone of my height, over time the extra muscle mass (caused by AAS usage) will put strain on my heart, even more so because I tend to get tachycardia after very intense exercise that sustains for up to a day afterwards.
There is the arguement AAS can have a direct negative effect on myocardial cells as cardiomyocytes have androgen receptors… AAS bind to androgen receptors causing things to grow, the heart is a muscle… derp… florp… doople. Whether AAS induced heart enlargement (If it even happens) is dangerous or not is contradicted, however there is a chance that prolonged exposure to vastly supraphysiologic doses of AAS (say 1000mg/wk +) can cause heart damage that may or may not be reversible, honestly I think there are far worse drugs out there, alcohol being one of the main ones, however to say that AAS definately doesn’t cause excess heart strain would be a lie. Other factors that will compound the negative effects of AAS are a shitty diet, lack of cardiovascular exercise, genetic factors (inherited cardiomyopathy, wolff parkinsons white symdrome or a family history or coronary heart disease or hypertension) many of the risks from AAS can probably be greatly reduced by keeping BP under control, having a diet rich in antioxidants and by doing regular cardiovascular exercise.
Going from 155 to 175 is NOT going to harm you, especially if it’s muscle.
BUT, when someone gains 150 to 200 pounds, even if it’s solid muscle it’s beyond bad for their heart as well as their spinal column, knees, joints, and other internal organs as well.
All of these professional bodybuilders gain this extreme amount of bodyweight. Rich Piana was about 400 pounds. That’s a RIDICULOUS amount to weigh and EXTREMELY dangerous. At his height a bodyweight of 220 would have been normal.
400lbs? I thought he was only like 320, either way you are right, being that weight whether it be muscle or fat isn’t healthy, somehow I doubt the heart knows whether it’s pumping muscle towards fat or muscle, it just adknowledges an increase in mass and thus works harder. If one looks at the deaths of previous bodybuilders there is a distinct visible correlation between BMI and age of death, the lighter bodybuilders and the bodybuilders from the 50s, 60s and 70s (who still used quite a bit of gear, but weren’t quite as extreme on the abuse as some are today… Using like 5 GRAMS of gear per week! Usually lived until oldish age. Albert Beckles is 88 most others (with the exception of Casey viator and Mike Mentzer) lived to be 70-80. In those two cases Casey Viator was probably unlucky and Mike Mentzer was supposedly said to have used 2.5 GRAMS of deca per week, not sure if the rumour is true… But look at him, if someone told me he used 2.5 grams of deca/wk I’d believe them. Rich Piana has rumours circulating he was a drug addict (coke, stims etc.) And video footage exists of him snorting pre workout powder however it was a joke (the guy had a great sense of humour). Dallas Mcarver had a total testosterone of 55,000 Ng/DL in his autospy, imagine how much test one would have to take to achieve such concentrations. Stimulants, GH/IGF-1 abuse, bronchodilators, excess use of thyroid hormones and dieretics etc also likely play a role in premature mortality.
May both of them RIP, I was sad when Rich passed it was a shocker. Other deaths attributed to steroids are typically related to genetic predisposition (undiagnosed hereditary cardiomyopathy, leaky heart valve etc) or are related to extreme abuse, however one in a million may just be unlucky. There was this guy named Ghent Wakefield who apparently died from insulin use, whether or not he knew how to use it remains to be answered however using insulin, falling into a diabetic coma and dying is bad luck… Unless he didn’t know what he was doing which is doubtful as I can’t see anyone being THAT irresponsible unless they’re a teenager (god DAMN some teenagers are so irresponsible, I don’t understand how they fail to see the possible consequences of various situations)
Thanks Canadian208 I do appreciate the imput- I initially started the TrT after my doc continued to find issues with my blood test- I had been on chemo twice in my childhood due to lukuemia then in my late 20’s I had a brain tumor- and was on chemo once again-
Presently I am injecting 200mg of Test E (split into two shots every 3.5 days) and get blood work done every three months- there are still a few issues with my blood work showing such as my GF-1 (think it’s growth factor?) even though I am no longer a kid of course- he is suggesting we try some sort of a peptide that is suppose to stimulate my own Growth Hormone to produce more - something called DEHA or DHEA (can’t remember) is also very low-
Oddly enough I feel great these days- my regular “generic” doc had me on 1800mg or some sort of an anti inflammatory drug as well as cymbalta- (sp) the combo or those two drugs at high dosage shot my sex life to hell-
With the TrT doc- I am off all medication except for insulin (as I am a Type I diabetic from childhood) and feeling much better- much to the upset of my generic doc who prefers I take 1800mg of this and 600 mg of that and she hates TrT, etc., etc. just different schools of thoughts-
Know that I am taking what you said under advisement- appreciate your thoughts- the more I learn- the more I can make intelligent choices…
My last blood work- the test was just under 900 and the free test was (surprisingly higher than expected) at 23.x. the doc said he didn’t want free test to go over 25……
It’s pretty crazy to see how different people react differently to the Test. 100mgs of Test C had me at 815 for a Test level. I have bumped to 200 mgs a week and curious to see where that places me.
I hear ya- when the doc was trying to see how I responded (about a year ago this way) I had blood work done and the test came back at 2,000 !!! and free test was almost 30 although he didn’t think it was critically dangerous- no reason to take chances- so he dialed it back - to get to 2,000 test and 30 free test I think I was injecting 300-350mg per week now it’s just 200mg per week and seems to be the “sweet spot” not sure how the Growth Hormone Peptide might change anything- but mine natural GF factor is very VERY low- can’t remember exact numbers- its in 20 pages of blood work BUT if normal was 40 mine was 12-13 so he was concerned- again chemo a few times in my early days might have messed up my own support system.