I’m an idiot, rookie mistake. Didn’t even notice the date
Just busting your balls…all in good natured fun. Enjoy the cycle.
Lmao. Well while your here, any thoughts or advice on this cycle plan?:
Test E- 350mg/week Pin 175mg Sunday and Wednesday.
Deca- 250mg/week pin 125mg Sunday and Wednesday (administer with the test)
14 weeks on the test, Deca will run through week 12.
PCT- Clomid will start 14 days after last test injection. 50mg a day for two weeks, than 25mg a day for two weeks.
I do have 1mg Arimidex tabs on hand, but was not planning on taking them EOD. (Just as needed?)
How many cycles have you run? What goals do have for the run?
I have ran only one cycle of just test 500mg/week several years ago.
I’m 30 years old, I have some nerve/joint issues that slow me down a bit, making it difficult to develop certain muscles. (Rhomboids and shoulder specifically) I have neuropathy and scapular thoracic syndrome. Ironically the treatment for that is increasing strength in certain areas. My goal is recovery and muscle building. I’m not interested in competing, not to say I don’t want to reap the benefits of building side from the Deca. But from what I have gathered Deca specially is used for joint therapy and building. My diet and gym routine are tuned in well.
Ok…all good things. I can save the ‘run test only’ speech because you’ve got at least 1 cycle of test already under your belt and should know what to expect with regards to it’s effect on your body. I can also save the stay away from Deca speech because you’ve specifically selected it for it’s joint friendly effects. So all that leaves really is my usual “get blood results before starting so you have a decent baseline blood panel to reference after PCT”
I prefer Nolva of Clomid for PCT run at 40/40/20/20 but I admit that PCT is not my area of expertise (if I even have one) since I blast and cruise. Perhaps @zeek1414 or one of the others can weigh in on your clomid PCT.
Barring that I’d say you’re good to go.
Almost forgot your Adex…I wouldn’t use it at all unless you start to experience any side effects…others may disagree.
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Thank you Yubs! To be honest, clomid is what my source had and was able to get me. I just had a full blood panel done a couple weeks ago, everything in normal range. I gave my doctor a heads up that I was going to do some experimenting, he understands my frustration and recommended the same blood panel be performed 30 days after my last injection.
I tend to stay away from the deca post. I just can’t get on board with it. I’m a huge risk vs reward type of guy and I just can’t seem to justify ever using deca. Trust me it’s tempting I have the joints of a 90 yr old man I have severe arthritis in my lower back and elbow along with fucked up disk in lower bsck that press on my sciatic nerve making a lot of compound movements like dead lifts etc impossible. I can get a lot fixed thru surgery but Im putting it off for a while. So deca (I would actually use npp) but it does have a strong appeal to me in that regard but I just can’t shake the fear of having a limp dick I’m 29 and extremely sexually active and that would crush me lol.
Anyways I guess my point in this is you don’t necessarily need to lift heavy when using gear to build insane muscle. Check out some body builders routines ones where the people are juicing. It’s not about hitting your prs and completing full range of motion. You just need to exhaust the muscle and eat like a horse and your going to grow like a weed if your using gear plain and simple. I find by lifting light I can keep my joints about 90% stress free which then makes my desire to ever use deca decrease even more. I just can’t suggest someone do something I wouldn’t do personally.
If that’s what you got and you want to use it that’s fine altho as yubs said I would suggest nolva.
As far as the adex goes dont use it unless needed and if you do plz do not take 1mg EOD. Start with 0.25 on injection day and increase only once you give the drug a chnace to work.
I agree 100% on the minimal weight, I really focus on form, and muscle exhaustion through slow high repetition sets, if that makes sense.
Sounds like you face similar hurdles, does running Test only, help with what your experiencing?
The side effects of Deca do scare me, I have been thinking and debating on this cycle for about a year and a half.
Would you suggest than I run a Test E only cycle.
500mg/week pinned 250 Sunday & Wednesday for 10 weeks? (I have 2 10ml bottles)
I’m not opposed to running a test cycle, I just figured Deca would be most beneficial to my situation.
This is going to sound crazy but sometimes focusing on form can be harmful IMO. When your lifting crazy heavy weights yes form is important because one wrong movement and you can really fuck yourself up. When lifting light tho I find focusing on form or complete range of motion is harder on my joints. I make sure to never lock out muscles and if I’m not comfortable doing a full range I just don’t do it. As long as your working that muscle to failure and eating along with using gear your going to get bigger and ultimately you will get stronger. I think there is even an article here on tnation about lifting natural vs lifting on gear that explains this better then I can.
I don’t think testosterone has any direct effects on helping my joints. But it does lube up the joints a bit thru water retention and ultimately it allows me to lift lighter to accomplish my goals so in a round about sort of way I think it helps.
Heres the thing people run deca all the time with no issues the same way people use finastride for hair loss with no issues but when a issue does arise man it seems bad. Those horror stories or more then I need to stay away you see a lot of guys describing how having a limp dick not only messes with thier sex life but ultimately it mentally crushea them and I just don’t need that kind of drama in my life il keep my shitty joints and working penis.
Realistically it probably will be. As I said I just can’t suggest something I personally wouldn’t do it doesn’t feel right. If your ok with the risk then go ahead. If you do I would use npp so you can stop quickly if sides to occur.
That would be my suggestion
Ladies and gentleman, the only reason I haven’t taken AAS yet. I have a through-the-Roof sex drive and enjoy daily sex with my wife, who loves my drive. Im also 29, but that’s besides the point lol. I’ve been interested in test for some time but am afraid of fucking up my endocrine system, and if I ever do cross over to the dark side, lll just have to read any of the deca dick threads on here to never take it. The scariest part isn’t even the limp dicks - it’s the way those guys describe not even having an attraction to women anymore. One guy described seeing a hot girl like a nice car. 19-nors straight up change your brain.
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Zeek1414 thanks for the response, the Deca is good until 2022, I think I’ll try to run a Test e cycle on its own for 10 weeks and see how I feel. The feedback is literally split at this point, I have two buddy’s that both run Deca and have never had an issue. But the thought of losing libido is fucked. From what I understand the risk is minimal if you only run test and cycle off of it correctly.
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I think npp would be safer since it’s a shorter Ester.
Clear the system faster
Dang didn’t realize this is 2 years old lol
and thanks to you i almost also got involved with this topic 
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