Max, I call your video and raise with Adam’s own video.
Here’s a little article I like. I don’t know that it’s based on ‘science’ as much as it is a bunch of analogies, but it is a compelling argument.
[quote]pat wrote:
Well it appears that bubble is over and the future projections are not good.
After all the hype and the vastly overvalued stock, it appears Tesla is coming back down to Earth and it’s future is not all that rosey.
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I tend to think the future of Tesla as a company probably is quite rosy. The future of stockholders of Tesla who bought in near the current price might or might not be so rosy. I tend to suspect the main risk with Tesla is not that the technology will not improve and take off with consumers, but rather that there might be major recapitalization(s) and consequent major stock dilution(s) needed before that time comes.
Buying stock in Tesla is not just betting on the bright future of the company; it is also betting on the company being able to reach that bright future without a great deal of dilution of the current stock. Not to say it won’t, but that factor makes the stock a lot more of a gamble than one would think if one only takes into account the likelihood of Tesla’s long-term success as a company.
Edge,
Adam speaks of never having to go to a gas station again, instead he will be going to a charging station, is there a major difference ?
Then the electricity made for this is from (drum roll)…coal plants.
“Putting a key into the ignition and turning it seems like slavery now”… <— this is when you know the massive pussification of America is complete.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Edge,
Adam speaks of never having to go to a gas station again, instead he will be going to a charging station, is there a major difference ?
Then the electricity made for this is from (drum roll)…coal plants.
“Putting a key into the ignition and turning it seems like slavery now”… <— this is when you know the massive pussification of America is complete.[/quote]
LOL Keep in mind that Adam’s a comedian when he makes remarks like that.
The major difference between a gas station and a charging station is most the time the charging station will be your garage while you’re sleeping or the parking lot while you’re shopping. For some it will be the parking lot while they are working.
Regarding the coal power plants. My understanding is it’s much “greener” to burn the fossil fuel in the coal plant than it is to burn it in a internal combustion engine. In addition, Electricity is also produced from hydro, solar, wind & nuclear. Where I live most, if not all, the electricity generated is hydro-electric. Solar, of course, is growing like crazy and may have reached or is about to reach a tipping point where it is viable on a large scale. I’ve actually taken the plunge and started investing in solar as well.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Edge,
Adam speaks of never having to go to a gas station again, instead he will be going to a charging station, is there a major difference ?
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You have to wait longer and you only get a partial charge.
Wait until you have to replace the $40,000 lithium ion battery pack.
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“Putting a key into the ignition and turning it seems like slavery now”… <— this is when you know the massive pussification of America is complete.[/quote]
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Edge,
Adam speaks of never having to go to a gas station again, instead he will be going to a charging station, is there a major difference ?
Then the electricity made for this is from (drum roll)…coal plants.
“Putting a key into the ignition and turning it seems like slavery now”… <— this is when you know the massive pussification of America is complete.[/quote]
LOL Keep in mind that Adam’s a comedian when he makes remarks like that.
The major difference between a gas station and a charging station is most the time the charging station will be your garage while you’re sleeping or the parking lot while you’re shopping. For some it will be the parking lot while they are working.
Regarding the coal power plants. My understanding is it’s much “greener” to burn the fossil fuel in the coal plant than it is to burn it in a internal combustion engine. In addition, Electricity is also produced from hydro, solar, wind & nuclear. Where I live most, if not all, the electricity generated is hydro-electric. Solar, of course, is growing like crazy and may have reached or is about to reach a tipping point where it is viable on a large scale. I’ve actually taken the plunge and started investing in solar as well.[/quote]
Gas turbines are internal combustion engines.
Solar only makes sense where you have a lot of empty land and a lot of sun. All of it pollutes. If you don’t have emissions your fucking up something’s ecosystem.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Edge,
Adam speaks of never having to go to a gas station again, instead he will be going to a charging station, is there a major difference ?
Then the electricity made for this is from (drum roll)…coal plants.
“Putting a key into the ignition and turning it seems like slavery now”… <— this is when you know the massive pussification of America is complete.[/quote]
LOL Keep in mind that Adam’s a comedian when he makes remarks like that.
The major difference between a gas station and a charging station is most the time the charging station will be your garage while you’re sleeping or the parking lot while you’re shopping. For some it will be the parking lot while they are working.
Regarding the coal power plants. My understanding is it’s much “greener” to burn the fossil fuel in the coal plant than it is to burn it in a internal combustion engine. In addition, Electricity is also produced from hydro, solar, wind & nuclear. Where I live most, if not all, the electricity generated is hydro-electric. Solar, of course, is growing like crazy and may have reached or is about to reach a tipping point where it is viable on a large scale. I’ve actually taken the plunge and started investing in solar as well.[/quote]
Gas turbines are internal combustion engines.
Solar only makes sense where you have a lot of empty land and a lot of sun. All of it pollutes. If you don’t have emissions your fucking up something’s ecosystem. [/quote]
So your position is all methods of producing energy pollute equally. I doubt many people will agree with that.
It doesn’t matter anyway. Tesla still makes the best and safest car on the road. As production ramps up and technology improves prices will come down. Gen 3 and Gen 4 cars will be affordable by the masses and will be out in a few years.
Thirty years ago there were people who doubted computers. Fifteen years ago there were people who thought email was stupid when you could just pick up the phone. Ten years ago there were some people who didn’t want people to reach them at anytime because they had a cell phone. Embrace change or get out of the way.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Edge,
Adam speaks of never having to go to a gas station again, instead he will be going to a charging station, is there a major difference ?
Then the electricity made for this is from (drum roll)…coal plants.
“Putting a key into the ignition and turning it seems like slavery now”… <— this is when you know the massive pussification of America is complete.[/quote]
LOL Keep in mind that Adam’s a comedian when he makes remarks like that.
The major difference between a gas station and a charging station is most the time the charging station will be your garage while you’re sleeping or the parking lot while you’re shopping. For some it will be the parking lot while they are working.
Regarding the coal power plants. My understanding is it’s much “greener” to burn the fossil fuel in the coal plant than it is to burn it in a internal combustion engine. In addition, Electricity is also produced from hydro, solar, wind & nuclear. Where I live most, if not all, the electricity generated is hydro-electric. Solar, of course, is growing like crazy and may have reached or is about to reach a tipping point where it is viable on a large scale. I’ve actually taken the plunge and started investing in solar as well.[/quote]
Gas turbines are internal combustion engines.
Solar only makes sense where you have a lot of empty land and a lot of sun. All of it pollutes. If you don’t have emissions your fucking up something’s ecosystem. [/quote]
So your position is all methods of producing energy pollute equally. I doubt many people will agree with that.
It doesn’t matter anyway. Tesla still makes the best and safest car on the road. As production ramps up and technology improves prices will come down. Gen 3 and Gen 4 cars will be affordable by the masses and will be out in a few years.
Thirty years ago there were people who doubted computers. Fifteen years ago there were people who thought email was stupid when you could just pick up the phone. Ten years ago there were some people who didn’t want people to reach them at anytime because they had a cell phone. Embrace change or get out of the way.
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I didn’t say the pollute equally, I said they all pollute.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Edge,
Adam speaks of never having to go to a gas station again, instead he will be going to a charging station, is there a major difference ?
Then the electricity made for this is from (drum roll)…coal plants.
“Putting a key into the ignition and turning it seems like slavery now”… <— this is when you know the massive pussification of America is complete.[/quote]
LOL Keep in mind that Adam’s a comedian when he makes remarks like that.
The major difference between a gas station and a charging station is most the time the charging station will be your garage while you’re sleeping or the parking lot while you’re shopping. For some it will be the parking lot while they are working.
Regarding the coal power plants. My understanding is it’s much “greener” to burn the fossil fuel in the coal plant than it is to burn it in a internal combustion engine. In addition, Electricity is also produced from hydro, solar, wind & nuclear. Where I live most, if not all, the electricity generated is hydro-electric. Solar, of course, is growing like crazy and may have reached or is about to reach a tipping point where it is viable on a large scale. I’ve actually taken the plunge and started investing in solar as well.[/quote]
Gas turbines are internal combustion engines.
Solar only makes sense where you have a lot of empty land and a lot of sun. All of it pollutes. If you don’t have emissions your fucking up something’s ecosystem. [/quote]
So your position is all methods of producing energy pollute equally. I doubt many people will agree with that.
It doesn’t matter anyway. Tesla still makes the best and safest car on the road. As production ramps up and technology improves prices will come down. Gen 3 and Gen 4 cars will be affordable by the masses and will be out in a few years.
Thirty years ago there were people who doubted computers. Fifteen years ago there were people who thought email was stupid when you could just pick up the phone. Ten years ago there were some people who didn’t want people to reach them at anytime because they had a cell phone. Embrace change or get out of the way.
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Electric cars have been around for over 100 years. This product has a niche and it fills that niche well, but it’s still a niche and will continue to be one.
It had it’s bubble and is now leveling off.
This car is not yet ready for prime time.
They made improvements, but it’s still not worth the headache.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This car is not yet ready for prime time.
They made improvements, but it’s still not worth the headache.[/quote]
I don’t think they ever will be. Like I said, electric cars have been around for over 100 years. Electric was one of the first drive trains for automobiles. It fits a niche and that niche will keep the company around, but it’s never going to break big time in the market place. For people who want them, they can and should be around. Exchanging gas for electric is not going to work for the masses. Internal combustion has come a long way. Currently forced induction seems to be the larger answer to efficiency issues. At least that’s the trend.
As for both electric motors and internal combustion, both technologies have little conceptual difference from original design. A truth be told almost all cars are hybrids these days. Not in the dual motor sense, which I think is as inefficient a design motif as can be had, but that internal combustion engines depend heavily on the electronics. Gone are the days where you can run a battery down to nothing. It’s in your best interest to change that shit on a schedule.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This car is not yet ready for prime time.
They made improvements, but it’s still not worth the headache.[/quote]
I don’t think they ever will be. Like I said, electric cars have been around for over 100 years. Electric was one of the first drive trains for automobiles. It fits a niche and that niche will keep the company around, but it’s never going to break big time in the market place. For people who want them, they can and should be around. Exchanging gas for electric is not going to work for the masses. Internal combustion has come a long way. Currently forced induction seems to be the larger answer to efficiency issues. At least that’s the trend.
As for both electric motors and internal combustion, both technologies have little conceptual difference from original design. A truth be told almost all cars are hybrids these days. Not in the dual motor sense, which I think is as inefficient a design motif as can be had, but that internal combustion engines depend heavily on the electronics. Gone are the days where you can run a battery down to nothing. It’s in your best interest to change that shit on a schedule.[/quote]
A hundred years ago we didn’t have the technology to make an electric vehicle go very far. Now we do. The premium Model S’s can go 300 miles. I have to fill my truck with gas every 250.
The technology is only going to get better too. Right now Tesla uses the same batteries that goes in the laptop I’m tapping on right now. Thousands of little batteries. Don’t you think that’s going to be improved upon. I think in ten years electric cars will be going 400 miles and costing an inflation adjusted 25 grand.
The great thing about this argument, unlike so many on this site, is we will eventually find out who is right. I’n five years we should have a pretty good idea who nailed it.
Edge,
I am not opposed to this, but if they can get it closer to the mileage you get with gas, I think it may become more popular.
I see a few around town, they mostly seem to be weekend toys for wealthy fucks.
In Norway Tesla S is the most popular car right now. A friend of mine has to wait until april until he gets his.
We have gas prices of 10,5$ per gallon.
We have heavy taxation on cars, and even higher taxes on “powerful” cars. Electric cars dont have that here.
Many roads are funded with about 2-3$ per time you pass some points. When driving electric cars you dont have to pay.
Most parking spots are pay to stay, except with an el car here.
Electric cars can drive in the bus lanes (this will probably go away soon as they are filled with teslas).
Many drive a short distance to work here, and get charging stations at work.
Electricity is by and large produced by water dams.
I can see why the tesla would flop where you are living. With all the incentives in Norway for driving electric cars, the Tesla is a good choice because it is faster, bigger, goes longer and is cooler than all the rest of them. Without all these incentives it is a different matter.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This car is not yet ready for prime time.
They made improvements, but it’s still not worth the headache.[/quote]
I don’t think they ever will be. Like I said, electric cars have been around for over 100 years. Electric was one of the first drive trains for automobiles. It fits a niche and that niche will keep the company around, but it’s never going to break big time in the market place. For people who want them, they can and should be around. Exchanging gas for electric is not going to work for the masses. Internal combustion has come a long way. Currently forced induction seems to be the larger answer to efficiency issues. At least that’s the trend.
As for both electric motors and internal combustion, both technologies have little conceptual difference from original design. A truth be told almost all cars are hybrids these days. Not in the dual motor sense, which I think is as inefficient a design motif as can be had, but that internal combustion engines depend heavily on the electronics. Gone are the days where you can run a battery down to nothing. It’s in your best interest to change that shit on a schedule.[/quote]
A hundred years ago we didn’t have the technology to make an electric vehicle go very far. Now we do. The premium Model S’s can go 300 miles. I have to fill my truck with gas every 250.
The technology is only going to get better too. Right now Tesla uses the same batteries that goes in the laptop I’m tapping on right now. Thousands of little batteries. Don’t you think that’s going to be improved upon. I think in ten years electric cars will be going 400 miles and costing an inflation adjusted 25 grand.
The great thing about this argument, unlike so many on this site, is we will eventually find out who is right. I’n five years we should have a pretty good idea who nailed it.[/quote]
I do agree with this, the technology should get better and better. It may not be ready for prime time yet, but this shows that it just may be there soon.
Their SUV, the model X, looks pretty sweet as well. Go to about 14:00 to see .
Something I find interesting is we’ve had 3 Tesla threads in the last 6 months. In the last 6 months we have not had 3 I Can’t Fit Into My Pants threads, 3 How Can I Last Longer? threads or 3 Old Guy Talking To Me Naked In The Locker Room threads. The only thread theme competing with Tesla over the last 6 months is, of course, the My Girl Left Me What Am I Going To Do? thread.
Another thing I find interesting is no chick has ever posted in a Tesla thread. A trait shared with the Whisky! thread.
[quote]espenl wrote:
In Norway Tesla S is the most popular car right now. A friend of mine has to wait until april until he gets his.
We have gas prices of 10,5$ per gallon.
We have heavy taxation on cars, and even higher taxes on “powerful” cars. Electric cars dont have that here.
Many roads are funded with about 2-3$ per time you pass some points. When driving electric cars you dont have to pay.
Most parking spots are pay to stay, except with an el car here.
Electric cars can drive in the bus lanes (this will probably go away soon as they are filled with teslas).
Many drive a short distance to work here, and get charging stations at work.
Electricity is by and large produced by water dams.
I can see why the tesla would flop where you are living. With all the incentives in Norway for driving electric cars, the Tesla is a good choice because it is faster, bigger, goes longer and is cooler than all the rest of them. Without all these incentives it is a different matter.[/quote]
So your government is forcing you to buy electric cars? Free market at work.