Tesla Barred From North Carolina??????

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[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
How much is debatable and the charging time is a problem that won’t improve significantly. No matter the capacity of the battery the charging of them still take hours and the larger the capacity of the battery the longer the charge. That’s an inherent flaw that won’t go away. The idea of instant charge sounds wonderful in theory, but the only way to make that work is to be able to mix chemicals that produce lots of energy. The problem with that is we’re back to square one, pollution.
[/quote]

http://feministing.com/2013/05/23/brilliant-teen-creates-device-that-charges-cell-in-30-seconds/

LOL I love listening to people that know next to nothing about science actually try to talk about it…[/quote]

So you admit to talking to yourself?
[/quote]

Apparently, seeing as how a quick charging capacitor for a cell phone which uses a whopping 3.67 volts and 3000 mah is no where near the same as a 12 volt lithium ion battery that can pack as much as 2000 amps (though most float around 600 to 1200 amps). That’s going to be quite a large set of capacitors. Of course, you also have to charge the capacitors so that then you can do a quick discharge in to 12 massive batteries.
Then of course you have the issue of quick charges destroying batteries. Batteries get hot enough from a normal charge, discharging that much power in to a battery as such a short burst has to make it really hot. I am sure I can take the capacitors from my car and quick charge my phone with them, but I don’t want to fry my battery. I solved my problem with a 7000 mah battery. Sure it’s a little heavier, but I only have to charge my phone once every 3 days, using it as much as I want.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
How much is debatable and the charging time is a problem that won’t improve significantly. No matter the capacity of the battery the charging of them still take hours and the larger the capacity of the battery the longer the charge. That’s an inherent flaw that won’t go away. The idea of instant charge sounds wonderful in theory, but the only way to make that work is to be able to mix chemicals that produce lots of energy. The problem with that is we’re back to square one, pollution.
[/quote]

http://feministing.com/2013/05/23/brilliant-teen-creates-device-that-charges-cell-in-30-seconds/

LOL I love listening to people that know next to nothing about science actually try to talk about it…[/quote]

So you admit to talking to yourself?
[/quote]

Apparently, seeing as how a quick charging capacitor for a cell phone which uses a whopping 3.67 volts and 3000 mah is no where near the same as a 12 volt lithium ion battery that can pack as much as 2000 amps (though most float around 600 to 1200 amps). That’s going to be quite a large set of capacitors. Of course, you also have to charge the capacitors so that then you can do a quick discharge in to 12 massive batteries.
Then of course you have the issue of quick charges destroying batteries. Batteries get hot enough from a normal charge, discharging that much power in to a battery as such a short burst has to make it really hot. I am sure I can take the capacitors from my car and quick charge my phone with them, but I don’t want to fry my battery. I solved my problem with a 7000 mah battery. Sure it’s a little heavier, but I only have to charge my phone once every 3 days, using it as much as I want. [/quote]

The point is that there are breakthroughs, however small, being made all the time in the technological world. Now that so much more of our lives are dependent on batteries than ever before, there is certainly more motive to further pursue technological breakthroughs like what this girl has made. A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
How much is debatable and the charging time is a problem that won’t improve significantly. No matter the capacity of the battery the charging of them still take hours and the larger the capacity of the battery the longer the charge. That’s an inherent flaw that won’t go away. The idea of instant charge sounds wonderful in theory, but the only way to make that work is to be able to mix chemicals that produce lots of energy. The problem with that is we’re back to square one, pollution.
[/quote]

http://feministing.com/2013/05/23/brilliant-teen-creates-device-that-charges-cell-in-30-seconds/

LOL I love listening to people that know next to nothing about science actually try to talk about it…[/quote]

So you admit to talking to yourself?
[/quote]

Apparently, seeing as how a quick charging capacitor for a cell phone which uses a whopping 3.67 volts and 3000 mah is no where near the same as a 12 volt lithium ion battery that can pack as much as 2000 amps (though most float around 600 to 1200 amps). That’s going to be quite a large set of capacitors. Of course, you also have to charge the capacitors so that then you can do a quick discharge in to 12 massive batteries.
Then of course you have the issue of quick charges destroying batteries. Batteries get hot enough from a normal charge, discharging that much power in to a battery as such a short burst has to make it really hot. I am sure I can take the capacitors from my car and quick charge my phone with them, but I don’t want to fry my battery. I solved my problem with a 7000 mah battery. Sure it’s a little heavier, but I only have to charge my phone once every 3 days, using it as much as I want. [/quote]

The point is that there are breakthroughs, however small, being made all the time in the technological world. Now that so much more of our lives are dependent on batteries than ever before, there is certainly more motive to further pursue technological breakthroughs like what this girl has made. A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.[/quote]

Push’s beloved Bingo card would be appropriate here.

Some people are not able to think beyond the move currently before them.

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Although I am not a fan of electric cars…I am a fan of a company that employs Americans in good paying jobs and builds their product in America.

We need more companies like this.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
How much is debatable and the charging time is a problem that won’t improve significantly. No matter the capacity of the battery the charging of them still take hours and the larger the capacity of the battery the longer the charge. That’s an inherent flaw that won’t go away. The idea of instant charge sounds wonderful in theory, but the only way to make that work is to be able to mix chemicals that produce lots of energy. The problem with that is we’re back to square one, pollution.
[/quote]

Sounds great, just don’t go broke trying to do it. I can fly that in 2 hrs.
http://feministing.com/2013/05/23/brilliant-teen-creates-device-that-charges-cell-in-30-seconds/

LOL I love listening to people that know next to nothing about science actually try to talk about it…[/quote]

So you admit to talking to yourself?
[/quote]

Apparently, seeing as how a quick charging capacitor for a cell phone which uses a whopping 3.67 volts and 3000 mah is no where near the same as a 12 volt lithium ion battery that can pack as much as 2000 amps (though most float around 600 to 1200 amps). That’s going to be quite a large set of capacitors. Of course, you also have to charge the capacitors so that then you can do a quick discharge in to 12 massive batteries.
Then of course you have the issue of quick charges destroying batteries. Batteries get hot enough from a normal charge, discharging that much power in to a battery as such a short burst has to make it really hot. I am sure I can take the capacitors from my car and quick charge my phone with them, but I don’t want to fry my battery. I solved my problem with a 7000 mah battery. Sure it’s a little heavier, but I only have to charge my phone once every 3 days, using it as much as I want. [/quote]

The point is that there are breakthroughs, however small, being made all the time in the technological world. Now that so much more of our lives are dependent on batteries than ever before, there is certainly more motive to further pursue technological breakthroughs like what this girl has made. A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.[/quote]

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Although I am not a fan of electric cars…I am a fan of a company that employs Americans in good paying jobs and builds their product in America.

We need more companies like this.[/quote]

Thank you. That’s my entire point, really. Why root against electric cars? I don’t really like a lot of things that are produced in America. I’m not a big fan at all of all these Apple products that serve to bury everyone in their own little world where they can cultivate their own unique brands of narcissism, but hey, Apple is an American company and as long as there is a demand for that shit, I’m glad that it’s an American company meeting that demand.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
How much is debatable and the charging time is a problem that won’t improve significantly. No matter the capacity of the battery the charging of them still take hours and the larger the capacity of the battery the longer the charge. That’s an inherent flaw that won’t go away. The idea of instant charge sounds wonderful in theory, but the only way to make that work is to be able to mix chemicals that produce lots of energy. The problem with that is we’re back to square one, pollution.
[/quote]

http://feministing.com/2013/05/23/brilliant-teen-creates-device-that-charges-cell-in-30-seconds/

LOL I love listening to people that know next to nothing about science actually try to talk about it…[/quote]

So you admit to talking to yourself?
[/quote]

Apparently, seeing as how a quick charging capacitor for a cell phone which uses a whopping 3.67 volts and 3000 mah is no where near the same as a 12 volt lithium ion battery that can pack as much as 2000 amps (though most float around 600 to 1200 amps). That’s going to be quite a large set of capacitors. Of course, you also have to charge the capacitors so that then you can do a quick discharge in to 12 massive batteries.
Then of course you have the issue of quick charges destroying batteries. Batteries get hot enough from a normal charge, discharging that much power in to a battery as such a short burst has to make it really hot. I am sure I can take the capacitors from my car and quick charge my phone with them, but I don’t want to fry my battery. I solved my problem with a 7000 mah battery. Sure it’s a little heavier, but I only have to charge my phone once every 3 days, using it as much as I want. [/quote]

Uh oh, Pat. Looks like Tesla is already moving toward the unthinkable!

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/5-facts-all-you-need-to-know-about-teslas-superchargers.html/

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You know what I just thought of that will probably really scare the shit out of you, Pat? Imagine what sort of little subcultures might spring up around these supercharger stations? Sort of like the yuppie, liberal version of truck stops. Man, what a scary thought!

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I just read most of this thread and I have one thing to say; I agree with Coop.

Except maybe about that driverless thing. I think that’s waaaaay off.

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[quote]on edge wrote:
I just read most of this thread and I have one thing to say; I agree with Coop.

Except maybe about that driverless thing. I think that’s waaaaay off.[/quote]

What is it about the driverless thing that you disagree with? That Tesla won’t form some sort of partnership with Google or that driverless cars simply aren’t in our future?

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On Edge:

I really think you’re on to something with what you said over in GAL about these supercharging stations. Starbucks would be a PERFECT company to come in and partner up with Tesla to develop these places. If you think about it, Teslas really aren’t that different from any other aspect of the car culture in some respects.

People who love cars love talking to other like-minded people about them. Just last week I was driving down the street and I saw this older guy driving an absolutely immaculate 1965 Corvette in Nassau Blue with side exhausts and the ultra-rare 327ci/375hp engine! Possibly the most beautiful car I have ever seen on the road in my entire life. So I followed the guy for several miles until he pulled over at a store and I approached him. Now, normally people would be a little put-off at the least by someone who had been following them for several miles like that. But the guy was totally into it. We ended up talking about cars for about 30 minutes and he even took me for a quick spin around the block in it.

I think a similar sort of thing will develop around these supercharging stations. People who own Teslas are in a rare club right now, and even when they become more affordable, like in the 30K range that the article I linked below is talking about, they won’t be the dominant car on the road. I imagine that people driving them will enjoy spending a little time at these charging stations surrounded by other Tesla owners, talking about their experiences with them and so forth, especially once Tesla starts rolling out many more models than what they currently have.

And I could easily see Starbucks or something like that getting in on the ground floor of these stations as well. I really think that what will end up happening is that we’ll be seeing a resurrection of the older car culture from the 50’s that surrounded the earliest drive-thru fast food places and drive-in theaters. People don’t really congregate around their cars in that manner anymore, but I think these charging stations could very well lead to a rebirth of that aspect of American culture.

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/tesla-motors-generation-3′-sedan-will-go-for-about-30k.html/

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I am now wondering if the Tesla business model will change the way we all buy cars. Cut out the middle man.

Kind of like the auto industry putting the horse drawn carriage businesses and buggy whip businesses out of business.

I actually like this business model.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I am now wondering if the Tesla business model will change the way we all buy cars. Cut out the middle man.

Kind of like the auto industry putting the horse drawn carriage businesses and buggy whip businesses out of business.

I actually like this business model.[/quote]

I like it, too. I bought a new F-150 at the local Ford dealer several years ago and it was a total hassle. Buying a brand-new car/truck is probably one of the biggest purchases most people will ever make in their lives, and with the Internet these days you can go into a showroom already armed with more knowledge than the pimply-faced salesman reeking of desperation about the car you want to buy. That was definitely the case when I bought my truck.

So having to go through a dealership is a waste of time for people who are willing to do a little research on their own before they go to the lot. Why not just remove that unnecessary step and save everyone involved a little bit of time and money?

I’m really excited for Tesla’s future. They represent a clear drop in emissions, they’re an American company, they produce a product that apparently everyone who has used has nothing but excellent things to say about them, they’re poised to further improve their battery technology, their plan to build supercharging stations all over the country will radically change the way we drive ourselves around and probably the whole car culture in general, and they look pretty damn stylish, too.

I love it. It’s about time an American company made a big splash in a major industry like this. Now, if only we could convince the Obama administration to quit placing every roadblock imaginable in front of natural gas acquisitions.

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I want to see the car go 500 miles per charge, with charging stations everywhere, a reasonable price, and a charging time of no more than one hour.

You do that, and we will change the car culture over a short period of time.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I am now wondering if the Tesla business model will change the way we all buy cars. Cut out the middle man.

Kind of like the auto industry putting the horse drawn carriage businesses and buggy whip businesses out of business.

I actually like this business model.[/quote]

I like it, too. I bought a new F-150 at the local Ford dealer several years ago and it was a total hassle. Buying a brand-new car/truck is probably one of the biggest purchases most people will ever make in their lives, and with the Internet these days you can go into a showroom already armed with more knowledge than the pimply-faced salesman reeking of desperation about the car you want to buy. That was definitely the case when I bought my truck.

So having to go through a dealership is a waste of time for people who are willing to do a little research on their own before they go to the lot. Why not just remove that unnecessary step and save everyone involved a little bit of time and money?

I’m really excited for Tesla’s future. They represent a clear drop in emissions, they’re an American company, they produce a product that apparently everyone who has used has nothing but excellent things to say about them, they’re poised to further improve their battery technology, their plan to build supercharging stations all over the country will radically change the way we drive ourselves around and probably the whole car culture in general, and they look pretty damn stylish, too.

I love it. It’s about time an American company made a big splash in a major industry like this. Now, if only we could convince the Obama administration to quit placing every roadblock imaginable in front of natural gas acquisitions.[/quote]

Natural Gas cars is where I can see huge growth. You can fill up at your house if you have a gas line. Very easy, but would put a lot of gas stations out of business and individuals out of a job.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I am now wondering if the Tesla business model will change the way we all buy cars. Cut out the middle man.

Kind of like the auto industry putting the horse drawn carriage businesses and buggy whip businesses out of business.

I actually like this business model.[/quote]

I like it, too. I bought a new F-150 at the local Ford dealer several years ago and it was a total hassle. Buying a brand-new car/truck is probably one of the biggest purchases most people will ever make in their lives, and with the Internet these days you can go into a showroom already armed with more knowledge than the pimply-faced salesman reeking of desperation about the car you want to buy. That was definitely the case when I bought my truck.

So having to go through a dealership is a waste of time for people who are willing to do a little research on their own before they go to the lot. Why not just remove that unnecessary step and save everyone involved a little bit of time and money?

I’m really excited for Tesla’s future. They represent a clear drop in emissions, they’re an American company, they produce a product that apparently everyone who has used has nothing but excellent things to say about them, they’re poised to further improve their battery technology, their plan to build supercharging stations all over the country will radically change the way we drive ourselves around and probably the whole car culture in general, and they look pretty damn stylish, too.

I love it. It’s about time an American company made a big splash in a major industry like this. Now, if only we could convince the Obama administration to quit placing every roadblock imaginable in front of natural gas acquisitions.[/quote]

Natural Gas cars is where I can see huge growth. You can fill up at your house if you have a gas line. Very easy, but would put a lot of gas stations out of business and individuals out of a job.[/quote]

Yeah. Most people don’t even realize that there are already natural gas cars on the market, too. I think another big step in the near future is for more of these charging stations to be run on natural gas instead of electricity provided by coal-burning plants. A large move toward natural gas in general, coupled with electric cars slowly displacing gas-powered ones, will really change things.

Unfortunately, I suspect that as we use more and more of our own natural gas, Saudi Arabia in particular will start dumping tons of oil onto the global market and drive the price down so far that it won’t make economic sense to pursue natural gas alternatives. The U.S. and Canada need a minimum cost of $75 per barrel to pull natural gas out of the ground and still make economic sense. Saudi Arabia needs that same price, but that is to maintain their current domestic budget, not to achieve economic viability. They really only need to get about $5 per barrel to make a profit, so they could bombard the global market with a shitload of oil and drop the price by 50% if they wanted to, and that would ruin natural gas’ economic viability.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I am now wondering if the Tesla business model will change the way we all buy cars. Cut out the middle man.

Kind of like the auto industry putting the horse drawn carriage businesses and buggy whip businesses out of business.

I actually like this business model.[/quote]

I like it, too. I bought a new F-150 at the local Ford dealer several years ago and it was a total hassle. Buying a brand-new car/truck is probably one of the biggest purchases most people will ever make in their lives, and with the Internet these days you can go into a showroom already armed with more knowledge than the pimply-faced salesman reeking of desperation about the car you want to buy. That was definitely the case when I bought my truck.

So having to go through a dealership is a waste of time for people who are willing to do a little research on their own before they go to the lot. Why not just remove that unnecessary step and save everyone involved a little bit of time and money?

I’m really excited for Tesla’s future. They represent a clear drop in emissions, they’re an American company, they produce a product that apparently everyone who has used has nothing but excellent things to say about them, they’re poised to further improve their battery technology, their plan to build supercharging stations all over the country will radically change the way we drive ourselves around and probably the whole car culture in general, and they look pretty damn stylish, too.

I love it. It’s about time an American company made a big splash in a major industry like this. Now, if only we could convince the Obama administration to quit placing every roadblock imaginable in front of natural gas acquisitions.[/quote]

Natural Gas cars is where I can see huge growth. You can fill up at your house if you have a gas line. Very easy, but would put a lot of gas stations out of business and individuals out of a job.[/quote]

Yeah. Most people don’t even realize that there are already natural gas cars on the market, too. I think another big step in the near future is for more of these charging stations to be run on natural gas instead of electricity provided by coal-burning plants. A large move toward natural gas in general, coupled with electric cars slowly displacing gas-powered ones, will really change things.

Unfortunately, I suspect that as we use more and more of our own natural gas, Saudi Arabia in particular will start dumping tons of oil onto the global market and drive the price down so far that it won’t make economic sense to pursue natural gas alternatives. The U.S. and Canada need a minimum cost of $75 per barrel to pull natural gas out of the ground and still make economic sense. Saudi Arabia needs that same price, but that is to maintain their current domestic budget, not to achieve economic viability. They really only need to get about $5 per barrel to make a profit, so they could bombard the global market with a shitload of oil and drop the price by 50% if they wanted to, and that would ruin natural gas’ economic viability.[/quote]

I am going to keep a gas powered car just in case.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I am now wondering if the Tesla business model will change the way we all buy cars. Cut out the middle man.

Kind of like the auto industry putting the horse drawn carriage businesses and buggy whip businesses out of business.

I actually like this business model.[/quote]

I like it, too. I bought a new F-150 at the local Ford dealer several years ago and it was a total hassle. Buying a brand-new car/truck is probably one of the biggest purchases most people will ever make in their lives, and with the Internet these days you can go into a showroom already armed with more knowledge than the pimply-faced salesman reeking of desperation about the car you want to buy. That was definitely the case when I bought my truck.

So having to go through a dealership is a waste of time for people who are willing to do a little research on their own before they go to the lot. Why not just remove that unnecessary step and save everyone involved a little bit of time and money?

I’m really excited for Tesla’s future. They represent a clear drop in emissions, they’re an American company, they produce a product that apparently everyone who has used has nothing but excellent things to say about them, they’re poised to further improve their battery technology, their plan to build supercharging stations all over the country will radically change the way we drive ourselves around and probably the whole car culture in general, and they look pretty damn stylish, too.

I love it. It’s about time an American company made a big splash in a major industry like this. Now, if only we could convince the Obama administration to quit placing every roadblock imaginable in front of natural gas acquisitions.[/quote]

Natural Gas cars is where I can see huge growth. You can fill up at your house if you have a gas line. Very easy, but would put a lot of gas stations out of business and individuals out of a job.[/quote]

Yeah. Most people don’t even realize that there are already natural gas cars on the market, too. I think another big step in the near future is for more of these charging stations to be run on natural gas instead of electricity provided by coal-burning plants. A large move toward natural gas in general, coupled with electric cars slowly displacing gas-powered ones, will really change things.

Unfortunately, I suspect that as we use more and more of our own natural gas, Saudi Arabia in particular will start dumping tons of oil onto the global market and drive the price down so far that it won’t make economic sense to pursue natural gas alternatives. The U.S. and Canada need a minimum cost of $75 per barrel to pull natural gas out of the ground and still make economic sense. Saudi Arabia needs that same price, but that is to maintain their current domestic budget, not to achieve economic viability. They really only need to get about $5 per barrel to make a profit, so they could bombard the global market with a shitload of oil and drop the price by 50% if they wanted to, and that would ruin natural gas’ economic viability.[/quote]

I am going to keep a gas powered car just in case.[/quote]

Go for it. I am as well. Fuck, if it ever becomes the preferred method of fueling our cars, natural gas conversion kits are already available. It wouldn’t take a huge overhaul of the car-driving populace’s fleet to make the full-blown conversion to natural gas vehicles. Shit, the gov’t already gives Tesla buyers a $7500 rebate on their purchase. If they’re going to keep doing that shit, why not give people a little stimulus check in the mail for the conversion kit?

http://www.cngunited.com/

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

It’s great to hear that you’re actively rooting for the failure of an American company that provides thousands of jobs and who knows how much money to shareholders here in this country, all because you don’t like electric cars. What a patriot you are.[/quote]

I literally LMAO’ed when I read this.

Driving around the various 'burbs of Chi-town and parts unknown in the Mid/Northwest. I can’t count the number of HS football, soccer, and baseball ‘stadiums’, community parks, recreation centers that are named after, have a scoreboard because of, or are otherwise functional because of regional car dealerships. I’m no fan of middlemen and bureaucracy and wouldn’t demand patronage, but saying, “You’re not a patriot unless you unquestioningly support electric vehicles and/or Tesla specifically.” is fucking ridiculous.

Out of curiosity, since Tesla’s Superchargers don’t support electric cars at large, am I being anti-patriotic when I root for my gov’t to break them up? If Tesla ends up holding a monopoly in the electric car business and my government chooses to prop up competitors rather than break up Tesla will I be considered anti-patriotic if I hate Tesla (and my gov’t) even more?

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[quote]lucasa wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

It’s great to hear that you’re actively rooting for the failure of an American company that provides thousands of jobs and who knows how much money to shareholders here in this country, all because you don’t like electric cars. What a patriot you are.[/quote]

I literally LMAO’ed when I read this.

Driving around the various 'burbs of Chi-town and parts unknown in the Mid/Northwest. I can’t count the number of HS football, soccer, and baseball ‘stadiums’, community parks, recreation centers that are named after, have a scoreboard because of, or are otherwise functional because of regional car dealerships. I’m no fan of middlemen and bureaucracy and wouldn’t demand patronage, but saying, “You’re not a patriot unless you unquestioningly support electric vehicles and/or Tesla specifically.” is fucking ridiculous.

Out of curiosity, since Tesla’s Superchargers don’t support electric cars at large, am I being anti-patriotic when I root for my gov’t to break them up? If Tesla ends up holding a monopoly in the electric car business and my government chooses to prop up competitors rather than break up Tesla will I be considered anti-patriotic if I hate Tesla (and my gov’t) even more?[/quote]

I literally laughed my ass off when I read the first paragraph of your post. You know damn well I meant that it was unpatriotic to root against an American company in and of itself, not Tesla in specific. To say otherwise is fucking ridiculous.

Your second paragraph is a bit moot. The Tesla supercharger stations are only for Teslas, but they are not the only charging stations available to the public. They are simply Tesla’s own version of what is available out there, and they are free for Tesla Model S owners. Other Tesla models will have to pay a small fee. What that fee is, I don’t know. Given that there are other charging stations and these are built by Tesla only for Tesla users, I don’t really think the issue of monopolization is relevant here.

I doubt that Tesla will ever have an unfair monopoly over the electric car market. They’ll most likely end up being bought by a company like Ford or GM.

You asked if you will be considered unpatriotic if you hate Tesla even more, which would imply that you already hate them on some level. Why?