Tesla Barred From North Carolina??????

lucasa · June 12, 2013, 4:13pm

[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
There’s what Tesla says, then there is reality:
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/electric-shocker[/quote]

Tesla’s engine management records show the car never ran out of charge. Top Gear faked it and LIED.[/quote]

The (British) law says Tesla’s wrong;

Weird how all these test drivers come up with one result and Tesla comes up with another. I saw the TG episode when it aired, I believe Jeremy screamed, near the top of his lungs “Say goodbye do dial-up and say hello to the world of broadband motoring.”, “Unbelievable!”, “Biblically quick!” It’s like these hosts, drivers, and writers may have some sort of minor bias that’s not, in any cognitive way, changing their judgement or recommendation considerably and Tesla’s solution is to sue it out of them. Be a 100% fanboy or STFU is a little (more) creepy.

DBCooper · June 12, 2013, 4:49pm

[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What gives? I thought this was a capitalist society we live in? Why is it that Tesla is being barred from directly selling to customers in NC, amongst other states? They’ve found a business model that works, they are turning profits, providing a product that the consumers who have bought it are thrilled with, and the NC govt is going to try and keep them out?

Because electric cars suck ass and should be put in a pile an burned out of existence.[/quote]

Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-hedge-funds-lost-shirts-100000529.html[/quote]

I am not making the case that what they are doing is right. I am making the case that electric cars suck dick and should be destroyed and banished from the earth like a disease. Electric/ hybrid cars are stupid. All they do is shift the pollution from your car to the power plant. The contents of the batteries are 10 times more caustic than the shit that comes out of an exaust pipe. And they exemplify all the gayness and stupidity society has to offer. If I could afford a '64 GTO, it would be my daily driver and I would put lead in the gas. '64 because that’s the last year before there was any pollution control.
When you get to wear T-shirts and shorts in January, I’ll accept the thanks.[/quote]

Still bitter about the NFC Championship Game, aren’t you? That’s okay, if you want to make ignorant statements in a childish attempt to bait me, that’s your prerogative. You’ve already admitted that you try to bait me with your farcical ramblings, so why I should lend any credence to anything you ever say in my direction is beyond me. Have fun wallowing in whatever misery it is that you’ve created for yourself which you think can be minimized or glossed over by provoking me.[/quote]

I am not baiting anybody. Sports are compartmentalized in their own little box, there is no carry over. Trust me, I get over sports pretty quickly. It’s ridiculous to think that bothers me that much. It’s football, it’s a game, it’s not life. I got bigger fish to fry then how my favorite team does. It bothers you more than it will ever bother me.It does not permeate or bother my everyday life. Just saying I hate hybrid/ electric cars. The only reason to by a hybrid is to power a 5000 watt system. Otherwise they are useless slow pieces of shit. I am all for the prius, if you drop a blown 454 in the mother fucker. [/quote]

See? That’s what I mean by ignorant statements. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about when you say that electric cars are slow. The Teslas are faster than pretty much any muscle car from 1964. In fact, the Tesla Model S Performance IS faster than any muscle car from 1964.

2008 Tesla Roadster: 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter mile 13.4
2011 Tesla Roadster 2.5 S 0-60 mph 3.7
2012 Tesla Model S Base (225 kW) 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter Mile 14.2 (this is the slowest Tesla)
2013 Tesla Model S Base (270 kW) 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter Mile 13.7
2013 Tesla Model S Performance (310 kW) 0-60 mph 3.9 Quarter Mile 12.4

5000 watts? More like 250000 watts, pal. I love how sexy you look with egg all over your face.

edit: actually, I take that back. The 1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt 427 and the 1964 Dodge Hemi were faster than the Tesla S Performance. But that was it. And that only takes into account their 1/4 mile times. Both of those cars were slower at 0-60.[/quote]

I suppose you didn’t realize that I was talking about a stereo system?
And no they weren’t. The only sub 5 second car in the muscle car era of old was the '70 Super Bird with the 427 hemi. Only 50 were made.

Further, fat load of good it will do, that performance, which the roadster is the shell of a lotus Elise, w if you push full bore will get you a whopping 25 miles of range. Sounds exciting. If you can keep your foot out of it, you can almost get 100! That means you will only have to hitch hike part of the way home if you use your A\C.
At least it’s light when you have to push the piece of shit off the golden gate bridge when you get stuck in traffic.
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b.s.
1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter mile 12.5[/quote]

Uh, 1965 is not 1964.

anon50325502 · June 12, 2013, 5:11pm

[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Sounds like NC just wants Tesla to be regulated by the DMV like all other dealers. What’s wrong with that? [/quote]

Nope, “independent” dealers don’t want competition.
They’re one of the biggest lobbying groups in the US at local, state and federal level.
They’ve been distorting the car market from almost the beginning.
We all pay far more for vehicles due to their rigging the laws, particularly state laws.

It was one of the largest “costs” for GM prior to and during the Bankruptcy. Buying out the “independent” dealers…

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Cool, so use your vote via your representatives to change this. Otherwise there’s not much to say.

drunkpig · June 13, 2013, 2:39pm

[quote]lucasa wrote:

The (British) law says Tesla’s wrong;

Weird how all these test drivers come up with one result and Tesla comes up with another. I saw the TG episode when it aired, I believe Jeremy screamed, near the top of his lungs “Say goodbye do dial-up and say hello to the world of broadband motoring.”, “Unbelievable!”, “Biblically quick!” It’s like these hosts, drivers, and writers may have some sort of minor bias that’s not, in any cognitive way, changing their judgement or recommendation considerably and Tesla’s solution is to sue it out of them. Be a 100% fanboy or STFU is a little (more) creepy.[/quote]

LOL @ Tesla. They’ve obviously never watched an episode of Top Gear on BBC. Jeremy Clarkson slams every American made car. Literally every single one.

But then again, compared to Aston Martin, BMW, AMG, or Bugatti - American cars do suck, which is why the last time I purchased an American vehicle was 10 years ago.

pat · June 13, 2013, 4:49pm

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]lucasa wrote:

The (British) law says Tesla’s wrong;

Weird how all these test drivers come up with one result and Tesla comes up with another. I saw the TG episode when it aired, I believe Jeremy screamed, near the top of his lungs “Say goodbye do dial-up and say hello to the world of broadband motoring.”, “Unbelievable!”, “Biblically quick!” It’s like these hosts, drivers, and writers may have some sort of minor bias that’s not, in any cognitive way, changing their judgement or recommendation considerably and Tesla’s solution is to sue it out of them. Be a 100% fanboy or STFU is a little (more) creepy.[/quote]

LOL @ Tesla. They’ve obviously never watched an episode of Top Gear on BBC. Jeremy Clarkson slams every American made car. Literally every single one.

But then again, compared to Aston Martin, BMW, AMG, or Bugatti - American cars do suck, which is why the last time I purchased an American vehicle was 10 years ago. [/quote]

You are wrong. American cars used to suck. Aston and Bugatti are strictly high end car makers. There’s nothing to compare them against. AMG is part of Mercedes Benz. BMW does make some great cars, but there are great American cars. Nobody makes the cars that America makes, so they fill that niche that wouldn’t be filled by other makers. Who makes muscle cars? Only America. And the new ones are good, damn good. So good in fact that their performance is on par with some of these, far more expensive foreign makes.
The current gen Mustang GT is putting down numbers on part with the M3 for crying out loud, for half the price. The Corvettes are consistently compared to super cars, cars that cast way more. And the next C7 is simply a marvel of engineering. Where do you think Ferrari got thier magnetorheological suspension system? Corvette.

DBCooper · June 13, 2013, 4:54pm

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]lucasa wrote:

The (British) law says Tesla’s wrong;

Weird how all these test drivers come up with one result and Tesla comes up with another. I saw the TG episode when it aired, I believe Jeremy screamed, near the top of his lungs “Say goodbye do dial-up and say hello to the world of broadband motoring.”, “Unbelievable!”, “Biblically quick!” It’s like these hosts, drivers, and writers may have some sort of minor bias that’s not, in any cognitive way, changing their judgement or recommendation considerably and Tesla’s solution is to sue it out of them. Be a 100% fanboy or STFU is a little (more) creepy.[/quote]

LOL @ Tesla. They’ve obviously never watched an episode of Top Gear on BBC. Jeremy Clarkson slams every American made car. Literally every single one.

But then again, compared to Aston Martin, BMW, AMG, or Bugatti - American cars do suck, which is why the last time I purchased an American vehicle was 10 years ago. [/quote]

You are wrong. American cars used to suck. Aston and Bugatti are strictly high end car makers. There’s nothing to compare them against. AMG is part of Mercedes Benz. BMW does make some great cars, but there are great American cars. Nobody makes the cars that America makes, so they fill that niche that wouldn’t be filled by other makers. Who makes muscle cars? Only America. And the new ones are good, damn good. So good in fact that their performance is on par with some of these, far more expensive foreign makes.
The current gen Mustang GT is putting down numbers on part with the M3 for crying out loud, for half the price. The Corvettes are consistently compared to super cars, cars that cast way more. And the next C7 is simply a marvel of engineering. Where do you think Ferrari got thier magnetorheological suspension system? Corvette.[/quote]

Agreed. When Ferrari or Porsche can make a car as fast as the 2013 ZR1 Corvette without having to sell it for 350K to make any money, TipsyPiggy can come in here and start the argument over again. Shit, I can buy three ZR1s for the price of one comparable Lamborghini.

DBCooper · June 16, 2013, 3:06pm

drunkpig · June 20, 2013, 3:39pm

[quote]pat wrote:

You are wrong. American cars used to suck. Aston and Bugatti are strictly high end car makers. There’s nothing to compare them against. AMG is part of Mercedes Benz. BMW does make some great cars, but there are great American cars. Nobody makes the cars that America makes, so they fill that niche that wouldn’t be filled by other makers. Who makes muscle cars? Only America. And the new ones are good, damn good. So good in fact that their performance is on par with some of these, far more expensive foreign makes.
The current gen Mustang GT is putting down numbers on part with the M3 for crying out loud, for half the price. The Corvettes are consistently compared to super cars, cars that cast way more. And the next C7 is simply a marvel of engineering. Where do you think Ferrari got thier magnetorheological suspension system? Corvette.[/quote]

Sorry, Pat - but US autos do suck. There is not American car on the market today that can match both the comfort and performance of a BMW, or a Mercedes.

Have you ever owned a BMW, Pat? A Mercedes? How about a Lexus?

I’ve owned two of the three above-mentioned cars, and extensively driven a third. The attention to detail on the interior is light years better than the extruded, hollowed-out plastic dash boards in American made cars.

My current car - a BMW 550i will more than hold its own in performance against every US car in it’s class.

American cars suck. They may have some decent tech - but they have yet to get it from the drawing board to the road. That’s why the Euro-makers are buying american tech - because the CAN get it to the road.

drunkpig · June 20, 2013, 3:43pm

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Agreed. When Ferrari or Porsche can make a car as fast as the 2013 ZR1 Corvette without having to sell it for 350K to make any money, TipsyPiggy can come in here and start the argument over again. Shit, I can buy three ZR1s for the price of one comparable Lamborghini.[/quote]

Fast? How about the ability to break, turn, and accelerate? I’ll put an M3 up against your Corvette any day.

There’s more to driving than 0-60’s and 1/4 miles, scooter. Unless, of course, one is compensating for shortcomings in other areas.

DBCooper · June 21, 2013, 2:08am

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Agreed. When Ferrari or Porsche can make a car as fast as the 2013 ZR1 Corvette without having to sell it for 350K to make any money, TipsyPiggy can come in here and start the argument over again. Shit, I can buy three ZR1s for the price of one comparable Lamborghini.[/quote]

Fast? How about the ability to break, turn, and accelerate? I’ll put an M3 up against your Corvette any day.

There’s more to driving than 0-60’s and 1/4 miles, scooter. Unless, of course, one is compensating for shortcomings in other areas.

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An M3 doesn’t stand a chance against a ZR1. It’s nowhere near the same class of car, which shows just how ignorant you are of both the ZR1 AND the M3.

2013 ZR1 0-60: 3.4 sec BMW: 4.8 sec
ZR1 top speed: 205mph BMW: 155mph
ZR1 1/4 mile: 11.4 sec BMW: 12.4 sec
ZR1 skidpad rating: 1.13g BMW: .95g
ZR1 slalom course avg speed: 77.9mph BMW: 73.3mph
ZR1 braking from 60mph to 0mph: 91 feet, the shortest distance in any production that Motor Trend has ever achieved

The ZR1 accelerates, handles and brakes WAY better than the M3. It also has 638hp, compared to the M3’s 414hp. Even the base model Corvette would dominate the M3, but the ZR1 simply chews up and spits out ANY production BMW, especially the M3 and even the M6.

You don’t know shit about what you’re saying. I’d suggest you just butt out of the thread entirely if you’re going to start tossing around wholly ignorant statements like this. You can take your little M3 if you’d like. But you’ll be getting smoked by the ZR1 Corvette in every way imaginable. The ZR1 is to be compared to cars like the Lamborghini Murcielago, the Viper SRT10, the Mercedes SL65AMG, the Ferrari 458 Italia, The McLaren MP4-12C and the Porsche 911 Turbo. Comparing the BMW to those cars is a joke. The fact that you actually think the Corvette won’t handle or brake better than the M3 really proves how utterly stupid you really are on the matter. If anything, the Corvette outshines those other cars in those particular areas more than its sheer unadulterated power. Road & Track did a recent test of the Ferrari 458, the McLaren and the ZR1 and while the other two were a bit faster than the ZR1, the ZR1 outperformed them in every area of handling and braking.

So, really you just don’t know shit, do you? Nice try. Come back when you know a thing or two.

drunkpig · June 21, 2013, 3:19am

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Agreed. When Ferrari or Porsche can make a car as fast as the 2013 ZR1 Corvette without having to sell it for 350K to make any money, TipsyPiggy can come in here and start the argument over again. Shit, I can buy three ZR1s for the price of one comparable Lamborghini.[/quote]

Fast? How about the ability to break, turn, and accelerate? I’ll put an M3 up against your Corvette any day.

There’s more to driving than 0-60’s and 1/4 miles, scooter. Unless, of course, one is compensating for shortcomings in other areas.

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An M3 doesn’t stand a chance against a ZR1. It’s nowhere near the same class of car, which shows just how ignorant you are of both the ZR1 AND the M3.

2013 ZR1 0-60: 3.4 sec BMW: 4.8 sec
ZR1 top speed: 205mph BMW: 155mph
ZR1 1/4 mile: 11.4 sec BMW: 12.4 sec
ZR1 skidpad rating: 1.13g BMW: .95g
ZR1 slalom course avg speed: 77.9mph BMW: 73.3mph
ZR1 braking from 60mph to 0mph: 91 feet, the shortest distance in any production that Motor Trend has ever achieved

The ZR1 accelerates, handles and brakes WAY better than the M3. It also has 638hp, compared to the M3’s 414hp. Even the base model Corvette would dominate the M3, but the ZR1 simply chews up and spits out ANY production BMW, especially the M3 and even the M6.

You don’t know shit about what you’re saying. I’d suggest you just butt out of the thread entirely if you’re going to start tossing around wholly ignorant statements like this. You can take your little M3 if you’d like. But you’ll be getting smoked by the ZR1 Corvette in every way imaginable. The ZR1 is to be compared to cars like the Lamborghini Murcielago, the Viper SRT10, the Mercedes SL65AMG, the Ferrari 458 Italia, The McLaren MP4-12C and the Porsche 911 Turbo. Comparing the BMW to those cars is a joke. The fact that you actually think the Corvette won’t handle or brake better than the M3 really proves how utterly stupid you really are on the matter. If anything, the Corvette outshines those other cars in those particular areas more than its sheer unadulterated power. Road & Track did a recent test of the Ferrari 458, the McLaren and the ZR1 and while the other two were a bit faster than the ZR1, the ZR1 outperformed them in every area of handling and braking.

So, really you just don’t know shit, do you? Nice try. Come back when you know a thing or two.[/quote]

Let’s meet somewhere. Just me and my piece of shit beemer, and the american car of your choice.

You say I know nothing, and I’m left wondering if you’ve ever pegged out any road-worthy vehicle you’ve ever owned. As far as that goes - do you even own a valid drivers license.

There’s talking and there’s doing. You can do all of the former you want - it’s the internet. But do you have the balls for the latter?

Ball’s in your court, scooter. I know what my car can do. DO you own one that can compete? Or are you just another internet tough guy?

DBCooper · June 21, 2013, 3:05am

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Agreed. When Ferrari or Porsche can make a car as fast as the 2013 ZR1 Corvette without having to sell it for 350K to make any money, TipsyPiggy can come in here and start the argument over again. Shit, I can buy three ZR1s for the price of one comparable Lamborghini.[/quote]

Fast? How about the ability to break, turn, and accelerate? I’ll put an M3 up against your Corvette any day.

There’s more to driving than 0-60’s and 1/4 miles, scooter. Unless, of course, one is compensating for shortcomings in other areas.

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An M3 doesn’t stand a chance against a ZR1. It’s nowhere near the same class of car, which shows just how ignorant you are of both the ZR1 AND the M3.

2013 ZR1 0-60: 3.4 sec BMW: 4.8 sec
ZR1 top speed: 205mph BMW: 155mph
ZR1 1/4 mile: 11.4 sec BMW: 12.4 sec
ZR1 skidpad rating: 1.13g BMW: .95g
ZR1 slalom course avg speed: 77.9mph BMW: 73.3mph
ZR1 braking from 60mph to 0mph: 91 feet, the shortest distance in any production that Motor Trend has ever achieved

The ZR1 accelerates, handles and brakes WAY better than the M3. It also has 638hp, compared to the M3’s 414hp. Even the base model Corvette would dominate the M3, but the ZR1 simply chews up and spits out ANY production BMW, especially the M3 and even the M6.

You don’t know shit about what you’re saying. I’d suggest you just butt out of the thread entirely if you’re going to start tossing around wholly ignorant statements like this. You can take your little M3 if you’d like. But you’ll be getting smoked by the ZR1 Corvette in every way imaginable. The ZR1 is to be compared to cars like the Lamborghini Murcielago, the Viper SRT10, the Mercedes SL65AMG, the Ferrari 458 Italia, The McLaren MP4-12C and the Porsche 911 Turbo. Comparing the BMW to those cars is a joke. The fact that you actually think the Corvette won’t handle or brake better than the M3 really proves how utterly stupid you really are on the matter. If anything, the Corvette outshines those other cars in those particular areas more than its sheer unadulterated power. Road & Track did a recent test of the Ferrari 458, the McLaren and the ZR1 and while the other two were a bit faster than the ZR1, the ZR1 outperformed them in every area of handling and braking.

So, really you just don’t know shit, do you? Nice try. Come back when you know a thing or two.[/quote]

Let’s meet somewhere. Just me and my piece of shit beemer, and the american car of your choice.

You say I know nothing, and I’m left wondering if you’ve ever pegged out any road-worthy vehicle you’ve ever owned. As far as that goes - have do you even own a valid drivers license.

There’s talking and there’s doing. You can do all of the former you want - it’s the internet. But do you have the balls for the latter?

Ball’s in your court, scooter. I know what my car can do. DO you own one that can compete? Or are you just another internet tough guy? [/quote]

You’ve jumped the shark.

drunkpig · June 21, 2013, 3:18am

LMAO. Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.

What is it you do again, DB? Refresh my memory.

Stop living the stereo-type. Put up - or sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and color like the rest of the kids.

DBCooper · June 21, 2013, 3:25am

As far as the cars I’ve owned, I’m more of a truck person myself. Although I’ve owned some decently fast cars. A heavily-modified 300zx and a '98 Camaro SS. Also owned a 1967 Impala with a 396 Turbojet, although that’s more of a boat than anything. Currently own a 2006 Ford F-150 with a Triton V-8. I’ve also owned a '98 F-150 with the Triton V-8. They aren’t fast, but they’re the type of vehicle I prefer to own. I like the convenience of a truck

You can lay down all the challenges you want, tipsypiggy. Clearly you’re an over-emotional child who can’t handle being shown the foolishly ignorant ways of the argument you’ve made. You say you’ll take the M3 over the ZR1 and that there’s more to a car than straight-line speed. You’re right, there is more to one than that, and the ZR1 has it in spades. If you want to meet somewhere and race, you’ll be doing so by yourself. i have nothing to prove. You made an ignorant, uneducated statement and I demonstrated why it was so. Don’t make ill-founded claims and you won’t find yourself getting so riled up that you resort to challenging someone to a race on the Internet while calling THEM the Internet tough guy.

You’re a cranky old fool. I can’t wait until you pull up to a ZR1 in your little Euro-trash car and the memory of getting skewered by me in this thread, about not only the ZR1 vs the M3 but about the Tesla as well, bubbles up to the surface and you challenge the Corvette in a warped attempt at regaining what little dignity you have left after this infantile meltdown, and then you get smoked by the Corvette and come on here and start ranting and raving even further.

DBCooper · June 21, 2013, 3:26am

[quote]drunkpig wrote:
LMAO. Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.

What is it you do again, DB? Refresh my memory.

Stop living the stereo-type. Put up - or sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and color like the rest of the kids.

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Where should I meet you? Houston? How about that, guy?

DBCooper · June 21, 2013, 3:36am

[quote]drunkpig wrote:
LMAO. Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.

What is it you do again, DB? Refresh my memory.

Stop living the stereo-type. Put up - or sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and color like the rest of the kids.

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What is it that YOU do, other than bitch and moan and make yourself look like a fool because you’re obviously bitter about your lot in life? The only person I’ve seen on this site get as riled up toward me as you do in literally every one of your posts was HoustonGuy. It’s nice to see that he’s back. And if you’re not him (you are) you’ve officially surpassed him as the biggest jackass on this site.

drunkpig · June 21, 2013, 3:48am