Terrorism in Russia

[quote]vroom wrote:
JD, you miss my point entirely. Deciding to exterminate islamic fundamentalists from the face of the earth is probably an impossible mission. You can go on killing and bombing for another fifty years and still things will not have changed.
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I have to disagree. How do you think Nazi facism and Japanese imperialism came to an end? You can thank the Wings of the Mighty 8th and the Enola Gay.

Breaking the will of those who breed and harbor terrorist is really very simple, it’s just not very humane.

[quote]scrumscab wrote:

Breaking the will of those who breed and harbor terrorist is really very simple, it’s just not very humane.[/quote]

We (i.e. the West) have breed and harboured the terrorist. The terrorists in Russia live in Russia (the Caucasus, Moscow etc). The terrorists in Madrid live in Spain. The terrorist of 9/11 lived in Germany and France etc. The war on terror if it is directed at external targets (e.g. Iraq, Iran etc) will achieve nothing in regards to stopping terrorism. It is a solely internal problem and thus only an internal focus will help.

[quote]scrumscab wrote:

I have to disagree. How do you think Nazi facism and Japanese imperialism came to an end? You can thank the Wings of the Mighty 8th and the Enola Gay.

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Unlike Nazi fascism and Japanese imperialism there are no standing armies invading other countries. But ideologues that are attempting to violently overthrow host societies. A much better analogy would be How McCarthy broke the communist revolutionaries. WW2 tactics are not going to be effective since the enemy is so different.

JD, you haven’t outgrown violence? You still go to bars, get drunk and look for a fight do you?

I did not say I was a pacifist you kook. I’m old enough that fighting has no appeal to me.

Anyhow, as much as I’m happy we have men like Ranger out there kicking ass for us (stay safe man), I share Bluey’s concern. I don’t think terrorism is defined by nations. All this means is that I’m skeptical that raw force will produce the desired goal.

If I am proven wrong, I will be happy for it! If not, people will eventually tire of war and seek other solutions – perhaps concurrently. This is not pacifism, appeasement, or giving up. It is seeking solutions… be ready for it.

Scrum, we are in mild disagreement. I think the military action is only a holding pattern. I think we need a vaccine to prevent the virus, that prevention will work better.

Lets indoctrinate the bastards into our ideology before they get indoctrinated into another… virus against virus.

It’s just a different type of combat, nothing more and nothing less.

However, I understand your viewpoint, and I understand how striking out is able to have an impact. I am certainly not against it per se. If you are right and it can work, then that would be excellent.

Vroom -

Thanks for the well-wishing. But violence in terms of preventing terrorism works in two different ways. The way we’re trying to combat terrorism is by putting the very fear that terrorists use right back into their hearts. They might not be afraid of death, but by God they’re gonna die afraid or not. I can’t stand when people say “Terrorists aren’t afraid of death, they’ll fight to the bitter end.” What a fucking joke. If that’s true, then why are they hiding in some shitty God-forbidden mountains quivering from the wrath of the Rangers? They have every right to be afraid. RLTW

rangertab75

to :JD430
you wrote “my concearn is the European(or European influenced)cowards who refuse to fully stand up to this problem” well, Europe has had a lot more history with terrorism than USA.and youre gonna start telling how its gonna be solved!!?open your eyes.from reading youre mails i cant keep thinking that the only information you get is reading American newspapers.as much as you like to believe that there is no censorship in media,THERE IS!
to Vroom:nice to know there`s someone intelligent here,thanks!

Wall Street Journal Editorial
The Children of Beslan
September 7, 2004; Page A20

It’s hard to fathom now – with the images of Russian children in body bags scorched into our memories – but when the history of the war on terror is written, last week may go down as a turning point.

The official death toll at School No. 1 in Beslan stood yesterday at 335, more than one-tenth the number who died in the terrorist attacks on America three years ago this week. One hundred fifty-six were children – boys and girls taken hostage when they arrived for their first day of the new school year. Before their slaughter, by rigged explosives or sniper fire, their captors denied them so much as a sip of water.

The depravity of this is hard to believe, but believe it we must. For it is the new reality of this current age in which innocents are specifically targeted by Muslim terrorists in the name of some Islamic cause. In Russia, the murderers were Chechens, aided by Arabs believed to be allied with al Qaeda. And so the children of Beslan join the ranks of other victims of Islamic terror – in a Moscow theater, a Bali nightclub, a Karachi church, and the Twin Towers of New York.

In the face of such horror, who can offer up any shred of justification? Yet that is precisely what has happened in the wake of every terrorist event the world has seen in recent years. By such lights, terrorism is viewed as a political act, intended to draw sympathetic attention to a cause – in this case the brutal Russian occupation of Chechnya.

Post-9/11, there were those who “explained” the attacks by blaming U.S. policy in the Mideast as behind the “desperation” of the hijackers. After the Madrid bombings, half the Spanish electorate effectively blamed their nation’s participation in the war in Iraq by voting out the government that supported the U.S. In the wake of every suicide bombing in Israel, that country’s policy on Palestinians is deemed responsible in many quarters, especially in Europe. Post-Beslan, who is prepared to blame the children?

On the eve of last week’s Republican convention, President Bush told a television interviewer that the war on terror is not winnable. Pundits were quick to pounce on what seemed like a political slip, but Mr. Bush’s meaning ought to have been clear. What he meant was that the war on terror was not winnable in a conventional sense. It would not conclude with Osama bin Laden ordering all Islamists to stand down the way the Emperor of Japan asked his countrymen to do at the end of World War II.

As should be obvious by now, the war on terror cannot be won only by disrupting terrorist networks and shoring up homeland defenses. It is also a war of ideas, and as such can be won only if the widespread ideological support for terrorism found in the Muslim world and some quarters of the West can be transformed into widespread condemnation.

There are historical models for this kind of transformational thinking. In the century that just ended, fascism and National Socialism, ideologies fashionable among some Western intellectuals during the 1930s, were stamped out by the Second World War. Communism lost ground during 50 years of the Cold War that ended with the collapse of the Soviet Empire. All of these ideologies have been proven bankrupt, even in the parts of the world where totalitarianism still reigns.

In making the case that the world needs to think differently about terrorism, Mr. Bush and other members of his Administration sometimes cite the example of the British in the 19th Century as changing the way the world thought about the slave trade. By the end of the century, slavery may still have existed in parts of the globe, but no one was making the moral case for it.

Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, explained the Administration’s effort to de-legitimize terrorism in a speech last spring at the University of Chicago. “The world should view terrorism as it views the slave trade, piracy on the high seas and genocide,” he said, “as activities that no respectable person condones, much less supports.”

That ideological struggle over the uses of terror is slowly being won in most of the world, but it remains at the center of the civil war within Islam itself – between extremists and conventional believers who are sometimes called moderates. That struggle cannot be won unless the vast majority of Muslims who condemn terrorism speak out publicly against such clerics as London-based Omar Bakri Mohammed, who told London’s Sunday Telegraph that he would support hostage-taking at a British school if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.

Whatever Russian President Vladimir Putin’s mistakes in Chechnya (see David Satter’s related commentary), they don’t justify the deliberate targeting of innocents. Nearly all nationalist movements – from the American revolutionaries to the Irish Republican Army – have had enough restraint to avoid the systematic murder of children. But there is something dysfunctional within the soul of modern Islam and its supporters that deems such depravity acceptable. Perhaps after Beslan more of the world, and especially much more of the Islamic world, will begin acknowledging this as the deadly poison it is.

I don’t know all that much about what the Russians have been guilty of doing in the Chechen conflict, but I do know that we need to do whatever we can to destroy anti-civilization Islamist terrorists. I can only pray that these tactics won’t be reproduced here.

BTW, if I were paranoid, I might think the NYT was actually playing politics, because it knows that stories that bring terrorism concerns probably make voters favor Bush, and if there were links to Islamist terrorists, that raises terrorism concerns…

http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_09_05_corner-archive.asp#039249

NAMING THE ENEMY [Andy McCarthy]

The NYT doesn’t want to. If you labored through its page one analysis yesterday

of the siege in Russia in which nearly 340 people were slaughtered, you’d have to have gone deep into the newspaper and waded down to the 24th paragraph of the story to learn that: “While the extent of international support may be debated, the attacks bear some trappings of Islamic militancy. Officials here in Beslan said they had found notebooks with Arabic writing, and witnesses reported hearing Arabic exhortations, though the attackers mostly spoke Russian.” (Emphasis added.) Elsewhere toward the bottom of the report, the reader also finds indications that the Beslan operation was “financed by a man believed to be an Arab associated with Al Qaeda and identified as Abu Omar as-Seyf.” What is the good reason to be hesitant about noting that this latest barbarity, like its numerous predecessors, is the work of militant Islam? An enemy that doesn’t get identified, doesn’t get wiped out – and lives to fight another day, resulting in more Beslans, more Madrids, more 9/11s, etc.
Posted at 08:35 AM

Vroom wrote:

"JD, you haven’t outgrown violence? You still go to bars, get drunk and look for a fight do you?

I did not say I was a pacifist you kook. I’m old enough that fighting has no appeal to me. "

That is such a gross distortion of the meaning of what I said it is almost criminal. I guess that is how you engage in arguments…lie and distort.

DB,

I meant no insult to Canada. It is a magnificent country with some great people. I just have a problem with some of the socialists running around up there now, who think their doctrine puts them above the fray(hint…see above). For that matter, I have a problem with the socialists running around down here too.

Pake,

From what I could gather from your post,and deciphering it was some work, you were trying to say that Europe has a much longer history with the terrorist problem than the US does. I won’t argue that. However, I submit that they have not yet confronted the problem aggressively and recent events have shown the opposite. (The bombings in Spain and subsequent elections, the apathy of the French etc.)

September 07, 2004, 8:46 a.m.
Summer of Terror
No innocent people are safe.

By Tom Nichols

The siege of a Russian school is now over, with hundreds of children dead and wounded. As in the past, Russia’s terrorists have shown themselves to be a particularly ugly strain of the disease of terrorism, specializing in tormenting the most helpless and vulnerable. Worse, Arab terrorists from abroad have now made their mark in Russia, cooperating with their Chechen colleagues in the murder of children. (The school seizure is reminiscent of a Chechen attempt in 1995 to hold an entire hospital hostage, another low point in the despicable history of terrorism.) This latest display of sadism follows Russia’s very own version of 9/11 in which two jetliners were simultaneously blasted from the sky, and then the bombing of a Moscow subway station. Fortunately, the reaction so far in the civilized world’s capitals, including Washington (and yes, Bonn and Paris, too) has been the appropriate one, recognizing that Russia has once again been scarred by the most barbaric form of terror and offering to stand by Russia’s side.

Although the attacks in Russia took fewer lives than 9/11 ? and it must be noted that since 9/11 it is Russia, not America, that has suffered some of the worst attacks by Islamic extremists ? they are nonetheless important reminders of several realities in the global war on terror.

Most important, this sort of animalistic attack against defenseless children forces us to remember that we are fighting not only particular groups with various agendas linked to Islamofascism, but we are also struggling to extinguish the method of armed conflict called “terrorism.” Despite the criticism leveled at him for saying it, President Bush was correct to accept that such a complete victory is probably impossible. Terror cannot be disinvented any more than telephones can be. But groups that use terrorism can be defeated, regardless of their cause or the putative justice of their claims.

Let us stipulate (as is apparently required in every discussion of terror in Russia) that Moscow’s behavior in Chechnya has been replete with war crimes and atrocities in a blood feud that seems to have no end. Let us admit as well that the Chechens have legitimate grievances against Moscow that go back over a century, even before their victimization by Stalin in the 1940s. But these can no longer be the issue, just as the various complaints against America in the Middle East ceased to be an issue on 9/11. As gruesome a distinction as it is to make, the indiscriminate violence and even criminal methods used by the Russian government in a grisly civil war pale beside a strategy that relies on the intentional mass murder of children. Calls for the Russian government to throw in the towel and negotiate Chechen independence are well-meaning but foolish, especially now that Arab terrorists have joined the fight. Such demands are repudiated by the dead schoolchildren of Beslan, who remind us that concepts like “root causes” and “justification” matter little once the killing begins. The goal of any conflict with terrorists must be to reinforce the message that the use of terror will produce only swift, effective ? and measured ? retaliation.

Unfortunately, in the Russian case this may produce only more of the excessive violence that Moscow has already used in the region, and negotiation is for the time being essentially impossible in any case. But Russia’s mini-9/11 and the subsequent attacks aided by foreign terrorists against subway riders, teachers, and kids should lead to the conclusion that this war is not specifically against Chechens or Shiites or anyone else, but rather against any group that would use such methods at all. The conflict with Islamic extremism in Russia as elsewhere is a violent war because the methods of the extremists have made it one. In Russia in particular the terrorists have again significantly upped the ante (a strategy that began with the hostage seizure of a downtown Moscow theater in 2002). This is a tragedy not only for all Russians, but especially for the majority of Chechens who genuinely desire to live in peace.

Perhaps the most important reminder from Russia’s tragic summer is that terror is not the product of individuals, but networks, and that terror groups really are linked to each other. So far, no less than ten of the hostage takers in Beslan have been identified as Arabs, raising the specter of al Qaeda ties and undermining the credibility of Moscow’s critics who would cast this as purely related to the aspirations of an oppressed minority in the Russian Federation. Despite skepticism in some corners (The Economist, for example, has predictably waved away any suggestions of international terrorism and instead placed the blame squarely on Russian President Vladimir Putin), foreign jihadists have been present in Chechnya for years, and many Russians are saying what ought to be obvious to us all: that this latest string of attacks shows the internationalized nature of the terror threat.

The Russian airliner attack in particular has all the fingerprints of an al Qaeda operation, and it would be surprising if foreign operatives were not involved as well in its planning or execution. (At the very least, the terrorists in the Russian hijacking were emulating the tactics of 9/11.) It is poor strategic logic to believe that the war against Islamic terrorists can be fenced off into discrete theaters ? especially when since it seems unlikely that these groups themselves view their struggle in such particularistic ways. But even if there were no formal links between such groups, their shared use of terror as a strategy means that a fight against one of them is part of a fight against them all.

This is an especially important realization for Russia, which is surrounded by porous borders with the Islamic world. But it should matter to the rest of the world, too: there is no way (nor has there been for a long time) to simply make Russian terror a “Chechen” issue, anymore than the fight to overthrow the Taliban was merely an “Afghan” issue or the liberation and reconstruction of Iraq is merely an “Iraqi” issue. Radical Islamic terrorism is a multinational phenomenon, and the tactics of its leading practitioners are now clearly finding their way around the world into a variety of conflicts. No one can argue that it is preferable for the international community accordingly to act in concert in destroying such groups. But they must be destroyed, one way or another, and states that act against terrorists of any kind should be recognized as acting for the good of all.

Hopefully, the Russians and others, particularly among our critics in Europe, will see in this latest attack the reality that the future of their security lies in this kind of united effort against terrorists wherever they may be. (The Russians especially must have the discipline now to act as the Americans did in Afghanistan after 9/11: deliberately and decisively, but also carefully and most important proportionately.) And as unkind as it may be to say at such a tragic time, these attacks should also confirm once and for all that a Western nation’s political posture can do nothing to insulate it from terrorism. Russia’s unwise attempt to save Saddam Hussein and to curry favor with the French and the Germans in the run-up to the Second Gulf War means nothing to Islamic extremists both inside and outside of Russia who intend to gain control of Chechnya. No nation ? whatever its policies, even toward the United States ? is safe from evil people willing to use the most extreme forms of political violence. The world seemed to understand this after America’s summer of terror in 2001; it is a truth rediscovered in the wake of Russia’s summer of 2004.


Tom Nichols is chairman of the Department of Strategy and Policy at the U.S. Naval War College and the author of Winning the World: Lessons for America’s Future from the Cold War. The views are those of the author and not of any agency of the U.S. government.

JD430 Russia has been agressive against terrorism and look what happend.has there been any attacks in spain now that the goverment got changed?no.
i do believe using force against terrorists.but these Russian soldiers are terrorists also.they are only using uniforms.unless you have been in an situation where most of your family has been killed,and your 11 years old daughter raped and killed by Russian troops,you can not know how some of these people feel.
how civilized is that?

Pake,

Your argument about Spain is a hollow one. Conversely, since the U.S. adopted an aggressive stance against terror, has their been a terrorist attack on US soil in 3 years? No. Now, that doesnt prove anything really, as we are in the early stages of this conflict, but it shows why your Spain argument does not work.

Russia’s aggression has been misplaced. While they actively fight terrorists when they show themselves, Russia has been incredibly lax in the area of security and has done nothing to try and change the ideology of terror.

I’m not very familiar with the chechyn conflict. I am sure that their have been atrocities committed by the Russian military, if history is any indication.

Putin, if he is serious about increasing his country’s safety and world status, needs to address this and insure that there is greater discipline among the rank and file.

Found this very interesting timeline liek to share with everyone. WHich shows why these terrorists will do what they are doing in Russia. For Russia still wants to hold power in Chechnya, and the Russian Gov’t is refusing to buge. Or allow them to be free. ANd becasue the Russian Army did what they did to the Checynas’ they are relentless, unforgiving, to the Russians. And will continue their attacks until their country is no longer ruled by Russia, or have thelaws etc dictated by them…

Soviet Union collapses, 14 regions become independent nations. Dzhokhar Dudayev elected president of Chechnya. Dudayev declares Chechnya independent. Russian President Boris Yeltsin refuses to recognize Chechen independence, sends troops. Confronted by armed Chechens, troops withdraw.

1994 Chechnya continues to assert its independence. Paramilitary bands accused of widespread kidnapping for ransom. Russia invades Chechnya; bloody war ensues.
1995 10,000 Russian troops occupy Grozny. Dudayev killed by Russian rocket. Total Russian force numbers 45,000. Chechens takes hostages.
1996 Chechens launch major counteroffensive, 5,000 troops invade Grozny. Unwilling to use maximum force and destroy Grozny to defeat rebels, Russians agree to ceasefire. Yeltsin orders troops withdrawn from Chechnya. Russian military humiliated. 70,000 casualties on all sides.

1997 Chechnya won’t accept Moscow’s authority. Aslan Maskhadov elected Chechen president. Name of capital changed from the Russian Grozny, to the Chechen Djohar. Lawlessness in Chechnya continues.
1999 Terrorist bombs explode in Moscow and other Russian cities. Russian authorities blame Chechen paramilitary commanders. Chechen insurgents enter neighboring Russian territory of Dagestan to help Islamic fundamentalists seeking to create separate nation.

Russian troops recapture breakaway areas of Dagestan. Yeltsin sends nearly 100,000 Russian troops into Chechnya. Russians occupy much of Chechnya, pulverize Grozny, driving rebels into hills. 250,000 refugees.
2000 Despite Russian claims of imminent victory, war continues. Russians are unable to defeat rebels in mountainous areas. United Nations officials call for investigations of alleged human rights abuses by Russian troops and by Chechen rebels. New Russian President Vladimir Putin agrees to human rights investigation, continues war.

2001 Russian president Putin appoints Stanislav Ilyasov as Chechen prime minister.
2002 On Oct. 23, Chechen rebels seized a crowded Moscow theater and detained 763 people, including 3 Americans. Armed and wired with explosives, the rebels demanded that Russian government end the war in Chechnya. Government forces stormed the theater the next day, after releasing a gas into the theater, which killed not only all the rebels but more than 100 hostages.
2003 In March Chechens voted in a referendum that approved a new regional constitution making Chechnya a separatist republic within Russia. Agreeing to the constitution meant abandoning claims for complete independence. While Moscow has presented the referendum as a way of bringing peace to the war-ravaged region, it is unclear how much power Russia would actually grant the separatist republic. A spate of Chechen suicide bombings followed throughout the year.

In September elections, Akhmad Kadyrov, the de facto Chechen president installed three years earlier by Russia, officially becomes president. Human rights groups as well as several nations questioned the fairness of the elections.

During 2003, there were 11 bomb attacks against Russia believed to have been orchestrated by Chechen rebels.

2004 On May 9, Chechnya’s Moscow-backed leader, Akhmad Kadyrov, is killed in a bombing. Six others are killed and another 60 wounded. The assassination undermines Russian claims that Chechnya has been growing more secure. A warlord, Shamil Basayev, claimed responsibility for the bombing.

On Aug. 24, days before the Chechen presidential election, two nearly simultaneous plane crashes in Russia kill 90 passengers; Chechen terrorists are suspected.

On Aug.29, another Russian-supported leader, Alu Alkhanov, is elected president of Chechnya with 73.5% of the vote.

On Aug 31, Chechen terrorist attack at a Moscow subway stop kills ten.

Between Sept. 1-3, about 30 heavily armed guerrillas seize a school in Beslan, near Chechnya, and hold about 1,100 young schoolchildren, teachers, and parents hostage. The guerrillas are made up of Chechen, Ingush, ethnic Russian, and some foreign Islamic militants. When a bomb inside the school is apparently accidentally detonated, the hostages attempt to flee. The militants set off more bombs and open fire on the fleeing children and adults. At least 338 hostages are dead, including about 156 children.

Joe

my point is that there is no 1 solution to this problem.Spain is one excample, just like USA is another.invading another countrys for whatever reason(usually for oil)is not gonna stop terrorism.just the opposite.like what has happend now.

[quote]bluey wrote:
scrumscab wrote:

I have to disagree. How do you think Nazi facism and Japanese imperialism came to an end? You can thank the Wings of the Mighty 8th and the Enola Gay.

Unlike Nazi fascism and Japanese imperialism there are no standing armies invading other countries. But ideologues that are attempting to violently overthrow host societies. A much better analogy would be How McCarthy broke the communist revolutionaries. WW2 tactics are not going to be effective since the enemy is so different.

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What you are saying is true, but that is not the point I’m trying to make. Vroom said that you could continue to bomb for fifty years and still nothing will change. I disagree because bombing has such a dreadfull, psychological impact, that within time you can break the will of the population. The WWII analogies apply because the will of the German people were broken by the end of the war, which made the transformation to democracy possible. Look at the documentaries of Berlin before the fall of the Third Reich. That place was in rubble and submission was written all over the population’s face. The will to support the Nazi government was no longer there.

Islamic experts estimate that 50% of the islamic population support the terrorist’s causes. As long as there is a base of sympathy that large, the breeding ground of terrorism will continue to flourish. You almost have to create a condition so harsh that the population equates their harship and suffering to their support of terrorist causes. I believe they are going to experience something like this in the next four years.

I believe my point is more evident with the situation in Iraq. Since our military forces were so efficient and selective in their conquest, the swift takeover of Iraq came as a shock to Iraqis and Americans. The Iraqi people suffered minimally in contrast to past invasions of foreign countries. Remember the pundits predicting the month-long siege we were going to have to lay on Baghdad? If the invasion of Iraq was a much more deadlier incursion with many more Iraqi casualties, the uprising we are dealing with today wouldn’t be half as strong or as bold. I understand it’s more complicated than that, but I believe the uprising is partly a result our lightning conquest.

Here is an example of a muslim who can see the writing on the wall. The fear of reprisal is starting to sink in to those intelligent enough to understand what terrorists are doing to their culture. You can expect more editorials like this to surface if things continue the way they are.


Siege prompts self-criticism in Arab media
By Associated Press
Saturday, September 4, 2004

CAIRO, Egypt - Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism, a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged, a prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote Saturday, as Middle East media and officials expressed horror at the bloody rebel siege of a Russian school.

 Unusually forthright self-criticism followed the end of the hostage crisis, along with warnings that such actions inflict more damage to the image of Islam than all its enemies could hope. Arab leaders and Muslim clerics denounced the school seizure as unjustifiable and expressed their sympathy. 

 Russian commandos stormed the school Friday in Beslan, Russia; it had been taken over by rebels demanding independence for Chechnya. Russian officials said Saturday that the death toll was at least 250, with twice as many wounded. Many of the casualties were children. 

 Images of terrified young survivors being carried from the scene aired repeatedly on Arab TV stations. Pictures of dead and wounded children ran on front pages of Arab newspapers Saturday. 

 "Holy warriors" from the Middle East long have supported fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya, and Russian officials said nine or 10 Arabs were among militants killed. 

 "Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!" 

 Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups - in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of the al-Qaida terror network. 

 "Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless "we admit the scandalous facts," rather than offer condemnations or justifications. 

 "The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us," al-Rashed wrote. 

 Contributors to Islamic Web sites known for their extremist content had mixed reactions on the hostage crisis, with some praising the separatists. Others wrote that people should wait until the militants had been identified before implicating Arabs in the drama. 

 Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist, wrote in his column in Egypt's leading pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram, that hostage-takers in Russia as well as in Iraq are only harming Islam. 

 "If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age," Bahgat wrote. 

 The horrifying images of the dead and wounded Russian students "showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families." 

 An editorial in the Saudi English-language Arab News put some blame for the bloody end to the school siege on Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying he couldn't afford to lose his "tough-man image." But it added that "the Chechens, with the choice of their targets, had put themselves in a position where no one would shed tears when the punishment came. They reached a new low when they chose toddlers as bargaining chips." 

 Heads of state from Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait offered their sympathy Friday to Russian officials and to the families of people caught up in the hostage drama. A prominent Muslim cleric also denounced it. 

 "What is the guilt of those children? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government?" Egypt's top Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, was quoted as saying during a Friday sermon in Banha, 30 miles north of Cairo. 

 "You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims," Tantawi, who heads Al-Azhar University, the highest authority in the Sunni Islamic world, was quoted by Egypt's Middle East News agency as saying. 

and the best part is that G. W. Bush has granted asylum for the foreign minister of the group responsible.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/07/putin.us/index.html

"But Putin said each time Russia complained to the Bush administration about meetings held between U.S. officials and Chechen separatist representatives, the U.S. response has been “we’ll get back to you” or “we reserve the right to talk with anyone we want.”

Putin blamed what he called a “Cold War mentality” on the part of some U.S. officials, but likened their demands that Russia negotiate with the Chechen separatists to the U.S. talking to al Qaeda.

These are not “freedom fighters,” Putin said. “Would you talk with Osama Bin Laden?” he asked.

Putin said the Chechen separatists are trying to ignite ethnic tensions in the former Soviet Union and it could have severe repercussions.

“Osama Bin Laden attacked the United States saying he was doing it because of policies in the Middle East,” Putin said. “Do you call him a freedom fighter?”

Putin’s comments came a few weeks after the U.S. granted asylum to Ilias Akhmadov, the “foreign minister” of the Chechen separatist movement."

Finally, evidence of conflict at the ideological level. When the majority of Muslims make their hatred of terrorism known, then we can win.

No child is born a terrorist. They grow up and learn to be a terrorist based on their surroundings. I defy you to think that I imply justification. It is simply a fact.

In any case, military combat is but one front that we face.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
September 07, 2004, 8:46 a.m.
Summer of Terror
No innocent people are safe.

By Tom Nichols

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Moscow subway station. Fortunately, the reaction so far in the civilized world’s capitals, including Washington (and yes, Bonn and Paris, too) has been the appropriate one, recognizing that Russia (…)


Tom Nichols is chairman of the Department of Strategy and Policy at the U.S. Naval War College and the author of Winning the World: Lessons for America’s Future from the Cold War. The views are those of the author and not of any agency of the U.S. government.[/quote]

Sorry for nitpicking guys, but Bonn hasn’t been Germany’s capital for 5 years. If this guy’s really that great in his field, he should have known that. I can see the logic behind some of his arguments, but that blatant mistake is a bit of a turnoff.

Makkun