Taurus Handguns

[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
David Murtagh wrote:
blitzkrg wrote:
By your logic having a cup of coffee is you begging to get burned.
or having kifes in the house is you begging to get stabbed…

a fire place? hell your begging to have your house burned down.

All of which are retarded to think.

flying in a plane? oh you might crash
driving a car?

I could pick up my tv and smash you over the head, killing you…
do you have a problem with TV’s in the house to?

Just so you kow, I gave away my kifes.

Your arguments are absurd.

But your point is that anything can be a weapon. Ah, that’s clever. So shall we compare the incidence of random and/or accidental TV assaults versus random and/or accidental shootings? Hmmm, I thought so.

David, no one give a fucking shit about your opinion on this specific topic. You don’t have a gun, and made a hijacking comment to spur an arguement. So for the rest of this thread, fuck off and keep your remarks to yourself.

As for the gun, my feelings is if I’m buying something that looks like a Berretta, I’d buy the Beretta. I know it’s more expensive than a Taurus, but I just don’t dig knock offs. Besides, after shooting a Beretta .40 cal, I dont’ think I’d own anything else.
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Thank You.

Of course, we haven’t answered why he’d want a gun in the first place, but you guys have been hilarious nonetheless, thanks for playing.

I’m really sorry to have hijacked your little circle jerk. But hey, that’s why you have the First Amendment, right?

Incidentally, our ‘kookiest’ gun laws were brought in in 1996 (when we had the world’s killingest single-shooter massacre - beat that!) Since then gun deaths have declined by around 40 per cent (to around 300 a year for a nation of 21 million). Not bad really.

Anyway, this has been a blast.

[quote]David Murtagh wrote:
Of course, we haven’t answered why he’d want a gun in the first place, [/quote]

To empty clips in troll asses like yours. G’day mate.

Taurus is good for what it is, but 1911A1 is always reliable and preferable in my experience. As a combat survivor, I know that I’d likely not be here were I not armed when the unavoidable happened. (Oh, yeah’, remember, free men armed are citizens, all the rest are “subjects”, and subjects always resent free men)…

(Having posted this item I know I’ll be abused by the pro-gun posters, have my masculinity questioned, have the right to arm bears thrown in my face etc etc etc along with other ministerpretations of your constitution, but I’ll just have to deal with it.)[/quote]

Nice graph, is that the decline of gun accidents? I am happy for your progress. How about putting up a graph showing the increase in crime that accompanied that? England has been finding out about that for the past several years. The constitution? ten of the thirteen colonies REFUSED to sign it until there was something in there about the right for the individual to keep arms, we just fought and won a war from subjugation, hence the bill of rights was born. you talk about your countries laws, the ones passed in the 90’s were so anal that they had to rework them just to field an olympic rifle team in, 2000 if memory serves.

So i guess there’s no real commitment there on Austraila’s part, just redo stuff as you see fit for the moment. Now thats dedication to the common good. If you want to outlaw things that cause wrongful deaths, cars, Dr’s and legal drugs would probably top the list. You mention all these accidents in the home, there has been firearms in my home for as long as I can remember, no accidents, why? Because my father saw fit and was intelligent enough to recognize that training was the key. I began my firearm training at age eight. Some of the fondest memories I have of my late father are of us trap and skeet shooting together.

EVERY single country in history that has disarmed it’s population next step was total subjugation of said population because the rulers of these countries knew that their population could not fight back. Can’t happen today? Hitler and Stalin did it and in the time table of world history these two things just happened last year. I’m glad that you are comfortable with the country and it’s laws in which you live. If you are so unhappy with mine shut your cockholster, move here, get citizenship, and start voting anti-gun. Otherwise you are no more than the other gutless twits that have nothing better to do in their small and pointless lives but sit back and criticize everyone else for what they are, what they do or anything else in which YOU don’t find proper in your own pathetic and self centered little world.

You only entered this thread to stir up some shit, nothing more. I deal with children like you where I work every single day. They are called felons by the criminal justice system. You keep some pretty good company. Go out and catch a charge so you can hang out with more of your ilk.

what i’m saying to you is
putting the result (injury or killing) before the action (shooting) isnt logical.

[quote]David Murtagh wrote:
blitzkrg wrote:
By your logic having a cup of coffee is you begging to get burned.
or having kifes in the house is you begging to get stabbed…

a fire place? hell your begging to have your house burned down.

All of which are retarded to think.

flying in a plane? oh you might crash
driving a car?

I could pick up my tv and smash you over the head, killing you…
do you have a problem with TV’s in the house to?

Just so you kow, I gave away my kifes.

Your arguments are absurd.

But your point is that anything can be a weapon. Ah, that’s clever. So shall we compare the incidence of random and/or accidental TV assaults versus random and/or accidental shootings? Hmmm, I thought so.[/quote]

[quote]Vwaju92 wrote:
[…] my father saw fit and was intelligent enough to recognize that training was the key. I began my firearm training at age eight. Some of the fondest memories I have of my late father are of us trap and skeet shooting together.

You only entered this thread to stir up some shit, nothing more. I deal with children like you where I work every single day. They are called felons by the criminal justice system. You keep some pretty good company. Go out and catch a charge so you can hang out with more of your ilk.

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Do these felons have guns? Maybe a pretty little number just for their own safety? Let’s hope not, Sheriff, for your sake.

I assume if your father sought fit to train you to use guns then you must have had a legitimate need to use them (such as living on a farm). In which case, no problem. Enjoy. I agree gun training is important, just ask this guy: http://news.com.com/2061-10786_3-6061397.html

People living in a city - unless sporting shooters - have no reason to own a gun and are a danger to themselves and others.

You can argue, you can obfuscate, you can build straw men and you can put up smokescreens, but your family is more likely to be a victim of a gun if there’s a gun in the house. Better still, they’re more likely to be shot by a family member … Even if the gun is under lock and key. There are heaps of stories about it. But put up arguments about banning cars if you wish, it shows the desperation of your argument.

[quote]David Murtagh wrote:
Vwaju92 wrote:
[…] my father saw fit and was intelligent enough to recognize that training was the key. I began my firearm training at age eight. Some of the fondest memories I have of my late father are of us trap and skeet shooting together.

You only entered this thread to stir up some shit, nothing more. I deal with children like you where I work every single day. They are called felons by the criminal justice system. You keep some pretty good company. Go out and catch a charge so you can hang out with more of your ilk.

Do these felons have guns? Maybe a pretty little number just for their own safety? Let’s hope not, Sheriff, for your sake.

I assume if your father sought fit to train you to use guns then you must have had a legitimate need to use them (such as living on a farm). In which case, no problem. Enjoy. I agree gun training is important, just ask this guy: http://news.com.com/2061-10786_3-6061397.html

People living in a city - unless sporting shooters - have no reason to own a gun and are a danger to themselves and others.

You can argue, you can obfuscate, you can build straw men and you can put up smokescreens, but your family is more likely to be a victim of a gun if there’s a gun in the house. Better still, they’re more likely to be shot by a family member … Even if the gun is under lock and key. There are heaps of stories about it. But put up arguments about banning cars if you wish, it shows the desperation of your argument.
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No the felons don’t have guns, we took them away, why? They broke the law in one way or another. And yes a family member is more likely to a victim of a gun if there’s one in the house that is a basic law of statistic’s not sociology that I won’t argue.

The cars? it’s not desperation but fact for comparison. Of the 706 book-ins in my jail, so far this year (it’s a small jail) 2, okay slowly for the slow…t w o were firearm related two kids broke into one of their grandparents home to steal a shotgun to sell. the rest are batteries, drugs, parole/probation violations and the majority? OWI, and RLE by fleeing by vehicle.

The one manslaughter charge in the last two was against a 19 year old kid who killed his buddy while they were out drinking, and he killed him with the car not a gun. It’s not an argument born of desperation it is one of fact. You keep trying to point out that guns are so dangerous so we shouldn’t have them.

The real fact is that your more likely to killed by an automobile or suffer an injury in an auto accident than by a firearm, no desperation just numbers. Sorry they’re not all that pretty. So by your simplistic logic we should ban cars, mass transport is available, why does anyone need their own car?

Just once more for the s l o w. It’s not an argument of desperation it’s one made simply for comparison and following your logic in dealing with issues that permeate our society, it’s not a perfect world, that’s why I carry and will continue to do so on duty or off, and someone that doesn’t work in law enforcement? It’s their right to do the same, it’s called freedom, you should try it. Oh, you are, freedom of speech.

This thread was for an opinion on the quality of a certain product, stop the hijack, I will too, and vent somewhere else. Let these other guys exercise their freedom, and exchange their thoughts about what this thread was started for. There are more than enough soap boxes out there for the both of us to climb and shout from.

Back to Taurus. I owned one of the knockoffs of the beretta 92, fired several hundred rounds through it - no troubles at all. I sold it to put money down on a trap gun. It’s my understanding that when berreta sold their Brazil plant it was Taurus that bought it, Beretta had left their dies, etc. behind, so Taurus just started stamping pistols out in the late 80’s early 90’s? Their quality and catalog of what’s available has just kept climbing ever since.

In retrospect, I entered this as a bit of fun (could you tell?) but again, the first question I posed was “Do you need it for work?” and the second was “why would you buy a gun in the first place?”

These questions have not been answered.

Fact is, there’s a third option over: hedo doesn’t have to buy a gun. No one who has been on this thread has presented a valid reason for having a gun. In fact, it’s an issue that has been avoided like the plague.

Sheriff, you wouldn’t even say why you were trained in firearms handling. Today, you have a valid reason for having a gun but why carry one when you aren’t on duty? It sounds like you live in a safe place (you must be a super trooper!) why do you need it?

Murtagh - you sound like a wanker mate! Why stir shit with these guys? You’re into what you’re into, they’re into their stuff. Why do you care?

I know where you’re coming from, but I would not subject them to my opinions. As if they’d change for me! They’re into their shit and it makes them happy and that’s fine by me.

[quote]David Murtagh wrote:
In retrospect, I entered this as a bit of fun (could you tell?) but again, the first question I posed was “Do you need it for work?” and the second was “why would you buy a gun in the first place?”

These questions have not been answered.

Fact is, there’s a third option over: hedo doesn’t have to buy a gun. No one who has been on this thread has presented a valid reason for having a gun. In fact, it’s an issue that has been avoided like the plague.

Sheriff, you wouldn’t even say why you were trained in firearms handling. Today, you have a valid reason for having a gun but why carry one when you aren’t on duty? It sounds like you live in a safe place (you must be a super trooper!) why do you need it?

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I have the Taurus 40 caliber. I use it for work. My job makes me travel constantly through out the state. Texas is one of the only states where you do not need a permit to carry a firearm if you are traveling and plann on overnighting. The crime statistics in the Houston area have risen by 40% since Hurricane Katrina. I have been stopped already for carring my pistol and was let go with no incidence. I have never been in major trouble and when questioned about my right to carry, I merely told the officer about my personal right to carry my pistol due to a loop hole in the law that allows for a necessity of defense.

My Taurus is the most dependable gun I have owned, small framed and well built. I probibly would have gone with a higher end model, but the price, warranty and overall feel of the pistol was one of my concerns, If I can’t hit you with 11 shots, I will bludgeon you to death with it, and for some reason your scalp matter causes my pistol to malfunction I can send it back to Taurus and they will either fix it or send me a brand new pistol at no charge. I also like the internal lock built into the hand grip.

As far as acciedents, you are more likely to be murderd by strangulation, or some other method then shot acciedently by your own pistol. There have been plenty of people killed by shovels, but you don’t see them outlawed at your local garden center.

I own a pistol, my wife owns a pistols, and I am proud to know that at 3 o-clock in the morning I will waste your ass if you try to harm me, or my property.

Bullpup

[quote]David Murtagh wrote:
Of course, we haven’t answered why he’d want a gun in the first place, but you guys have been hilarious nonetheless, thanks for playing.

I’m really sorry to have hijacked your little circle jerk. But hey, that’s why you have the First Amendment, right?

Incidentally, our ‘kookiest’ gun laws were brought in in 1996 (when we had the world’s killingest single-shooter massacre - beat that!) Since then gun deaths have declined by around 40 per cent (to around 300 a year for a nation of 21 million). Not bad really.

Anyway, this has been a blast.[/quote]

I already own several. Looking to buy another.

The why wasn’t an issue I am concerned with.

[quote]David Murtagh wrote:
In retrospect, I entered this as a bit of fun (could you tell?) but again, the first question I posed was “Do you need it for work?” and the second was “why would you buy a gun in the first place?”

These questions have not been answered.

Fact is, there’s a third option over: hedo doesn’t have to buy a gun. No one who has been on this thread has presented a valid reason for having a gun. In fact, it’s an issue that has been avoided like the plague.

Sheriff, you wouldn’t even say why you were trained in firearms handling. Today, you have a valid reason for having a gun but why carry one when you aren’t on duty? It sounds like you live in a safe place (you must be a super trooper!) why do you need it?

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So do you have an opinion on the Taurus 24/7 Pro? Just curious?

I have never owned a Taurus handgun. Here is something to consider though.

A fellow police officer friend of mine in a neighboring jurisdiction had Taurus pistol issued to him for off-duty carry(similar to your intended use). He said that the thing fell apart in no time…cracked grips and so forth. The other guys reported similar things.

If they have a lifetime warranty, that is a good thing. However, if they are as cheaply put together as my friend claims, I wouldnt want to be bothered.

Keep in mind, I dont have any personal experience with them, so take it with a grain of salt.

Hedo, I know you know your stuff when it comes to firearms, but I personally probably wouldnt carry a Taurus simply because there are a lot of other better choices out there.

I know that Taurus is a great brand but as it has been mentioned on this thread, if you have the money get a Sig or H&K. They are top notch weapons. And if you are thinking of getting a .45 ACP they both make excellent handguns in that caliber.

I own a porn shop and carry a gun; it’s saved my life several times. I recommend a Glock if exceptional safety while quick draw hip firing or smashing someones face in is desired.

[quote]PantyPeePunch wrote:
I own a porn shop and carry a gun; it’s saved my life several times. I recommend a Glock if exceptional safety while quick draw hip firing or smashing someones face in is desired.

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Only a true T-Nation man can start a post off with “I own a porn shop and carry a gun…” That rules!!

[quote]hedo wrote:
I know we have a number of Handgun Shooters on this forum.

Thinking about buying a Taurus PT24/7 PRO. Anybody own one? Thoughts or comments on this pistol. Looking at the .45ACP version.

Never owned a Taurus pistol. I hear the quality lately is very good. Is that true?[/quote]

My Father-in-Law and a buddy of mine both own a Taurus and both think they are great firearms. Both have had them for a few years and I have never heard a complaint from them. Also look into a CZ Handgun. They aren’t a knockoff and they are still relatively inexpensive despite all of the great reviews they have gotten in the last few years. The MSRP on the website may seem high but I have seen them reasonably priced at the local shops in my area. A few of my freinds have a CZ and they have no complaints about them either.

www.czusa.com

Good Luck

TR

[quote]trailrash wrote:
hedo wrote:
I know we have a number of Handgun Shooters on this forum.

Thinking about buying a Taurus PT24/7 PRO. Anybody own one? Thoughts or comments on this pistol. Looking at the .45ACP version.

Never owned a Taurus pistol. I hear the quality lately is very good. Is that true?

My Father-in-Law and a buddy of mine both own a Taurus and both think they are great firearms. Both have had them for a few years and I have never heard a complaint from them. Also look into a CZ Handgun. They aren’t a knockoff and they are still relatively inexpensive despite all of the great reviews they have gotten in the last few years. The MSRP on the website may seem high but I have seen them reasonably priced at the local shops in my area. A few of my freinds have a CZ and they have no complaints about them either.

www.czusa.com

Good Luck

TR

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Sorry, forgot the link

www.czusa.com

Taurus’ are good weapons. If money is not an option go with H&K. They are the best for the money.

Bottom line: All of these post are opinions. What you really need to do is go to the local gun range that will sign out weapons, shoot the .45 that you like and then make your judgement.

All of the guns that people have told you about are good. You just need to figure out if this is going to be a range gun or self defense gun. Range gun - go with a .22 cal. They are cheap, ammo is cheap plus you can work on your fundamentals with it and then go with a bigger gun.