[quote]Some white supremacists, generally racist Odinists, have appropriated the Valknot to use as a racist symbol. Typically they use it as a sign to indicate a willingness to give their life to Odin, generally in battle. Nonracist pagans may also use this symbol, so it should be carefully examined in context.
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I got that particular tattoo about two years ago, but all in black and on my left shoulder. The thing is according to tradition, followers of Odin tend to die violently and tattooing yourself with a Valnott, which means “death knot”, is not a great idea. The Aegishjalmur is an actual protective rune (carved into Viking helmets before battle), so that would be the safest to get, if you’re the superstitious type.
If you want a nordic design, maybe think about having Odin’s ravens done - one on each shoulder. Since you read GRRM, maybe you also read Robert Jordan; he refrences Odin’s ravens a couple of times in his series, including an actual shoulder tattoo on some characters.
I wouldn’t get ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES ANYTHING associated with NAZI Germany or arian/nordic/germanic markings. It might be completely innocent, but you never know how some people will react. You could end up in a fight, ganged up on, or spend a lot of time explaining.
And NEVER get an arm-band tattoo. They were cool about 10 years ago, now they’re just cheesie.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
I wouldn’t get ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES ANYTHING associated with NAZI Germany or arian/nordic/germanic markings. It might be completely innocent, but you never know how some people will react. You could end up in a fight, ganged up on, or spend a lot of time explaining.
And NEVER get an arm-band tattoo. They were cool about 10 years ago, now they’re just cheesie. [/quote]
Well, they dont really ahve anything to do with NAZI Germany. As far as I know, the Germans did use them (And im German), but not the Nazi’s. (Although they did ruin the swastika forever =P).
And thanks for pointing out the problem with that valknut… considering maybe not getting that one now =P. Sucks that white supremacists have to “ruin” many of the cool nordic symbols.
From the site:
Some white supremacists, generally racist Odinists, have appropriated the Valknot to use as a racist symbol. Typically they use it as a sign to indicate a willingness to give their life to Odin, generally in battle. Nonracist pagans may also use this symbol, so it should be carefully examined in context.
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That is an interesting link. I like to keep myself informed about stuff like this. Thanx.
[quote]WantAbs wrote:
Soldierslim wrote:
OThe military actually denotes celtic crosses and the like as “racist gang” tatoos! Sad but true.
In what branch and what country? Not the USMC in the USA , Not unless things have changed in the past 6 years. I know plenty of people that are still active duty that have celtic crosses and they are not considered “racist” who ever told you that lied.[/quote]
I was Army ('98-'02). My bro got a new celtic cross on his arm when he came home from leave. During a body-comp test with our superiors they let him know about the questionable nature of his new tat. The commander denoted it in his files.
They also told him that it’s OK to have it and that they didn’t suspect him of being white supremesist but that they were just going through the motions per say.
[quote]Valar Morghulis wrote:
PGJ wrote:
And thanks for pointing out the problem with that valknut… considering maybe not getting that one now =P. Sucks that white supremacists have to “ruin” many of the cool nordic symbols.
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Yea, it does suck. How about choosing some meaningful words, or even a saying that’s meaningful to you and spell them out in Nordic script?
That way it’s even more personalised.
But the bad thing about spelling out words in any obscure language is that the meaning will always be open to debate. Some fuckwat will always tell you that it actually means something different than what you intended.
[quote]Soldierslim wrote:
Valar Morghulis wrote:
PGJ wrote:
And thanks for pointing out the problem with that valknut… considering maybe not getting that one now =P. Sucks that white supremacists have to “ruin” many of the cool nordic symbols.
Yea, it does suck. How about choosing some meaningful words, or even a saying that’s meaningful to you and spell them out in Nordic script?
That way it’s even more personalised.
But the bad thing about spelling out words in any obscure language is that the meaning will always be open to debate. Some fuckwat will always tell you that it actually means something different than what you intended.[/quote]
Good suggestion, and thanks, but I think I have a good idea as well- Ill use the aegishjamar, but personalize. Ifound some people putting runes at the end of the “arms” of the aegishjalmar. If you know anything about runes, each one is not only like a “letter”, but it has a meaning. Ill put runes on the arms, and that way it means something, looks cool, and is kind of customized to me. The one I put in this post is similar to what im thinking. Looks much better than the first one I posted, I think. Let me know what you guys think.
I can’t even begin to understand why on YOUR own body; as a personal expression of art and your beliefs, would allow yourself to be corralled by the PC police as to what is deemed appropriate to have. Honestly, your skin are one of the last truly expressive canvasses left. Its true, Nazis have ruined Nordic runes to an extent, but what miniscule amount of the population can even identify any but the most OBVIOUS runes as ‘white supremacist’ unless they are involved in/researched white supremacist groups themselves?
Also, just because one apple on the tree is bad (Nazis) does this mean all white people of Nordic, Celtic, and Germanic descent forever forgo the use of any remotely ‘ethnic’ markings, tattoos, and cultural icons? Nazis were not inherently paganist, although very few followed the esoteric occult ideals of the Vikings in effort to link their cause with something greater and create an archetypal link with the past to vindicate their current actions. Nietzsche also was falsely bastardized out of context to serve as highly philosophic moral backing to the Teutonic ‘superman’ theory held by the Nazis.
I like panthers, and if I get one on my shoulder (they are black) do I instantly become a black supremacist? The ONLY arguable ‘hands off’ tattoos are the Swastika, SS rune, and the Totenkopf. By the same argument, the Christian cross tattoo of various styles was popular amongst Klansmen, so I should assume that the presence of any Christian/Pagan European translates to racism? Funny, this is only an issue of discussion because the perceived ‘walking on eggshells’ that white men must tolerate because of today’s hypercritical society and the perceived need for continual atonement for the ‘blood’ still on their hands.
From wikipedia on ‘Totenkopf’
“The symbol and its name are sometimes associated with Nazi Germany, particularly the SS and Waffen-SS. However, the use of the symbol as a military insignia began with the cavalry of the Prussian army under Frederick the Great. In Russia, the use of this symbol can be traced even further back: during the Tatar occupation, Christian Orthodox warrior monks going to battle used to wear this symbol (called “Adam’s Head”).
Frederick formed Husaren-Regiment Nr.5 (von Ruesch), a Hussar regiment commanded by Colonel von Ruesch. These Hussars adopted a black uniform with a Totenkopf emblazoned on the front of their Mirletons and wore it on the field in the War of Austrian Succession and in the Seven Years’ War.
Hussar from Husaren-Regiment Nr.5 (von Ruesch) in 1744 with the Totenkopf on the Mirleton
In 1808, when the regiment was reformed into Leib-Husaren Regiments Nr.1 and Nr.2, the Totenkopf remained a part of the uniform.
Prussia was not the only nation to use the Totenkopf. The Kingdom of Sweden’s Hussar Regiments wore it in the Prussian Style on the front of the Mirleton. The Russian Kornilov regiment adopted it in 1917.”
If the idea of expressing something theoritically offensive in Europe/N. America bothers you, get something tribal…but just dont go to the South Pacific or Oz with it…
[quote]kane101nod wrote:
Funny, this is only an issue of discussion because the perceived ‘walking on eggshells’ that white men must tolerate because of today’s hypercritical society and the perceived need for continual atonement for the ‘blood’ still on their hands.[/quote]
No, it is an issue of discussion because people shouldn’t and hopefully won’t forget just how much damage has been done to entire groups of people from mass killings of jews to lynchings in the southern US under many of these symbols. If that is “walking on egg shells”, I will continue to feel much more sorry for the lives lost as a result of that mentality than for the poor disadvantaged white men who sadly can’t get tattoo of a symbol marched under during many of those atrocities. Some would call it respect. What do you call it?
[quote]vermilion wrote:
If you want a nordic design, maybe think about having Odin’s ravens done - one on each shoulder. Since you read GRRM, maybe you also read Robert Jordan; he refrences Odin’s ravens a couple of times in his series, including an actual shoulder tattoo on some characters.
[quote]CU AeroStallion wrote:
vermilion wrote:
If you want a nordic design, maybe think about having Odin’s ravens done - one on each shoulder. Since you read GRRM, maybe you also read Robert Jordan; he refrences Odin’s ravens a couple of times in his series, including an actual shoulder tattoo on some characters.
oh sweet odin’s raven!
By the hammer of Thor!
By beard of lincoln!
What, you ate a whole wheel of cheeze? I’m not even upset, I’m impressed![/quote]
I can’t see the link.
