Taliban Tells Obama to F** Off

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
Makavali wrote:
pat wrote:

LOL! Yet another embarrassing moment, there are so many! Let’s have a moment of silence…It just speaks for itself.

Why would you lol about a failure with a terrorist group?

What failure of a terrorist group? What the hell are you talking about?

I LOL’d at the fact that this moron wanted to negotiate with the taliban and they told him to go fuck himself…I find that funny. I mean really, how can you not…I really truly laughed my ass off when I read the article…It was no e-comedy I laughed out loud. You have to be dumber than mule-shit to think you can negotiate with taliban or to think somehow there are “moderate taliban”.

There is only one taliban and they are very fucking far from moderate, in case you did not know.

And you’re more of an expert on the Taliban than Ahmed Rashid, David Kilcullen, Sarah Chayes…all of whom have, for starters, actually BEEN to Afghanistan?

These guys says there is a moderate taliban? Oh please reference…
How close was old Sarah Chayes able to get to the taliban? This should be good…Please link us up…

I’m not gonna find you neat little 500-word links to defend stuff that is almost common sense. Ever heard of Google?

There is no evidence of any “moderate taliaban” Ok wiat, let me put moderate taliban in google…

Ok, so here is what I found:

http://blogs.dw-world.de/acrossthepond/michael/1.7795.html

http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/moderate-taliban.html

I could go on…but not one link popped up indicating there is such a thing.

But…

Sarah Chayes lives and works in Kandahar, which was where the Taliban was born. She is very anti-Taliban, being a Western woman working in Afghanistan, and may not even be in favor of reaching out to disaffected elements. However, I think she would say it is not one monolithic organization.

So? Considering they’d beat the fucking shit out of her if she were to attempt to speak to them, I highly doubt she knows shit about them. Since you cannot provide any evidence she does, I do not see the point of mentioning her name. Lot’s of people live there, who cares?

More importantly, Rashid has written several books, most recent is “Descent into Chaos.” As I said a couple pages ago, he had an interview with Fresh Air on NPR, within the last couple of months, where he was skeptical but expressed support for peeling off Taliban elements. Believe it or not, NPR has a website.

So dig it up and find me something. You have provided nothing. I sure as fuck cannot find even the remotest shred of evidence such a thing as a moderate taliban existing.

I have mentioned Kilcullen’s book. Man has fought and studied guerrillas on three continents. His main point, and hence the title (“The Accidental Guerrilla”) is that the majority, and quite possibly the vast majority, of the people fighting us in Iraq and Afghanistan are not hardened jihadists, but locals who want to be left alone.

I have posted this probably a half dozen times in response to other partisan idiots like JeffR, but it sums it up:

"So here is a theory of counterinsurgency. In six paragraphs and the form of a parable. Set in the rural South, where we both live.

We have already employed the counter insurgency…None of which are taliban or, and this may come as a shock too, al qaeda.

The house next door to you is sold, and the people who move in are white supremacist skinheads. You discover that they’ve started up a methamphetamine lab in their basement. You think about calling your County Sheriff’s Department, but you’re not so sure. The cops strike you as generally overweight and none too swift. The only time you ever see them is in the mall, two cruisers parked side by side, the deputies gossiping and waiting for the next radio call instead of being on patrol. You’re afraid that if you tell them about your neighbors the news will leak out and you’ll get your house burned down one night. After all, you have a wife and kids and a mortgage.

But one day the SWAT team shows up to serve a warrant and kicks down the neighbor’s door and drags them off to jail. You’re incredibly pleased and highly relieved. You vow that the next time the Department is doing some charity work you’ll write a check. And you tell one of the deputies that if he sees you out in the yard to stop and you’ll let him know what’s going on in the neighborhood.

Now let’s shift that scenario to a slightly alternate universe where the Bill of Rights doesn’t apply. The Sheriff’s Department gets the word that someone in the neighborhood is cooking meth. They don’t know who, but since no one in the neighborhood is telling them anything they think everyone might be white supremacists. So one night they kick down your door looking for the meth lab. They point guns at your kids and your wife and scare them half to death. While searching your home they break your furniture and throw your belongings everywhere. And they slap you around trying to get you to tell them where the meth lab is. By now you’ve forgotten all about your scary neighbors - you just want to get even with those cops.

Even worse, let’s say that the cops find out exactly where the meth lab is. But they’re afraid of the neighborhood, and they don’t want to get shot at taking down the lab. So they call in a fighter bomber and drop a 500 lb guided bomb on your neighbor’s house. That takes care of the meth lab, but it also blows down one wall of your house, breaks every window, and destroys the car you need to get to work every day. You don’t know what you’re going to do.

A couple of nights later, another neighbor comes to your door and says he’s making a bomb to blow up the next patrol car that comes down the road. And would you help him dig the hole for $100?

You’d probably do it for nothing, wouldn’t you?"

http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/six_easy_paragraphs.htm

Uh, what? That made absolutely no sense. For all I know my neighbor has a meth lab in his basement and quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck it he does. It’s his house. What’s that got to do with the fact that there is no such thing as a “moderate taliban”? Was that supposed to be an analogy?

Come on, you’re not really this dumb. You’re baiting me, right? You don’t understand a basic analogy?

I’ve given you multiple sources to educate yourself. If you’re too lazy to navigate NPR’s website for 90 seconds and then listen to an interview for 30 minutes, or, God forbid, read a book, then I don’t know what else to say. It is worrisome that in a democracy there an awful lot of voters like you.[/quote]

You think there is such thing as a moderate taliban and you are calling me dumb!!! ROFLMAO!!!
You might wanna quit while your behind.

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[quote]pat wrote:
You think there is such thing as a moderate taliban and you are calling me dumb!!! ROFLMAO!!!
You might wanna quit while your behind.[/quote]

Diet Taliban, only half the extremists as a regular Taliban.

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[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
pat wrote:
You think there is such thing as a moderate taliban and you are calling me dumb!!! ROFLMAO!!!
You might wanna quit while your behind.

Diet Taliban, only half the extremists as a regular Taliban. [/quote]

They’ll only cut your head half off. And their women can show their hands…ooooo, risque!

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[quote]pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
Makavali wrote:
pat wrote:

LOL! Yet another embarrassing moment, there are so many! Let’s have a moment of silence…It just speaks for itself.

Why would you lol about a failure with a terrorist group?

What failure of a terrorist group? What the hell are you talking about?

I LOL’d at the fact that this moron wanted to negotiate with the taliban and they told him to go fuck himself…I find that funny. I mean really, how can you not…I really truly laughed my ass off when I read the article…It was no e-comedy I laughed out loud. You have to be dumber than mule-shit to think you can negotiate with taliban or to think somehow there are “moderate taliban”.

There is only one taliban and they are very fucking far from moderate, in case you did not know.

And you’re more of an expert on the Taliban than Ahmed Rashid, David Kilcullen, Sarah Chayes…all of whom have, for starters, actually BEEN to Afghanistan?

These guys says there is a moderate taliban? Oh please reference…
How close was old Sarah Chayes able to get to the taliban? This should be good…Please link us up…

I’m not gonna find you neat little 500-word links to defend stuff that is almost common sense. Ever heard of Google?

There is no evidence of any “moderate taliaban” Ok wiat, let me put moderate taliban in google…

Ok, so here is what I found:

http://blogs.dw-world.de/acrossthepond/michael/1.7795.html

http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/moderate-taliban.html

I could go on…but not one link popped up indicating there is such a thing.

But…

Sarah Chayes lives and works in Kandahar, which was where the Taliban was born. She is very anti-Taliban, being a Western woman working in Afghanistan, and may not even be in favor of reaching out to disaffected elements. However, I think she would say it is not one monolithic organization.

So? Considering they’d beat the fucking shit out of her if she were to attempt to speak to them, I highly doubt she knows shit about them. Since you cannot provide any evidence she does, I do not see the point of mentioning her name. Lot’s of people live there, who cares?

More importantly, Rashid has written several books, most recent is “Descent into Chaos.” As I said a couple pages ago, he had an interview with Fresh Air on NPR, within the last couple of months, where he was skeptical but expressed support for peeling off Taliban elements. Believe it or not, NPR has a website.

So dig it up and find me something. You have provided nothing. I sure as fuck cannot find even the remotest shred of evidence such a thing as a moderate taliban existing.

I have mentioned Kilcullen’s book. Man has fought and studied guerrillas on three continents. His main point, and hence the title (“The Accidental Guerrilla”) is that the majority, and quite possibly the vast majority, of the people fighting us in Iraq and Afghanistan are not hardened jihadists, but locals who want to be left alone.

I have posted this probably a half dozen times in response to other partisan idiots like JeffR, but it sums it up:

"So here is a theory of counterinsurgency. In six paragraphs and the form of a parable. Set in the rural South, where we both live.

We have already employed the counter insurgency…None of which are taliban or, and this may come as a shock too, al qaeda.

The house next door to you is sold, and the people who move in are white supremacist skinheads. You discover that they’ve started up a methamphetamine lab in their basement. You think about calling your County Sheriff’s Department, but you’re not so sure. The cops strike you as generally overweight and none too swift. The only time you ever see them is in the mall, two cruisers parked side by side, the deputies gossiping and waiting for the next radio call instead of being on patrol. You’re afraid that if you tell them about your neighbors the news will leak out and you’ll get your house burned down one night. After all, you have a wife and kids and a mortgage.

But one day the SWAT team shows up to serve a warrant and kicks down the neighbor’s door and drags them off to jail. You’re incredibly pleased and highly relieved. You vow that the next time the Department is doing some charity work you’ll write a check. And you tell one of the deputies that if he sees you out in the yard to stop and you’ll let him know what’s going on in the neighborhood.

Now let’s shift that scenario to a slightly alternate universe where the Bill of Rights doesn’t apply. The Sheriff’s Department gets the word that someone in the neighborhood is cooking meth. They don’t know who, but since no one in the neighborhood is telling them anything they think everyone might be white supremacists. So one night they kick down your door looking for the meth lab. They point guns at your kids and your wife and scare them half to death. While searching your home they break your furniture and throw your belongings everywhere. And they slap you around trying to get you to tell them where the meth lab is. By now you’ve forgotten all about your scary neighbors - you just want to get even with those cops.

Even worse, let’s say that the cops find out exactly where the meth lab is. But they’re afraid of the neighborhood, and they don’t want to get shot at taking down the lab. So they call in a fighter bomber and drop a 500 lb guided bomb on your neighbor’s house. That takes care of the meth lab, but it also blows down one wall of your house, breaks every window, and destroys the car you need to get to work every day. You don’t know what you’re going to do.

A couple of nights later, another neighbor comes to your door and says he’s making a bomb to blow up the next patrol car that comes down the road. And would you help him dig the hole for $100?

You’d probably do it for nothing, wouldn’t you?"

http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/six_easy_paragraphs.htm

Uh, what? That made absolutely no sense. For all I know my neighbor has a meth lab in his basement and quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck it he does. It’s his house. What’s that got to do with the fact that there is no such thing as a “moderate taliban”? Was that supposed to be an analogy?

Come on, you’re not really this dumb. You’re baiting me, right? You don’t understand a basic analogy?

I’ve given you multiple sources to educate yourself. If you’re too lazy to navigate NPR’s website for 90 seconds and then listen to an interview for 30 minutes, or, God forbid, read a book, then I don’t know what else to say. It is worrisome that in a democracy there an awful lot of voters like you.

You think there is such thing as a moderate taliban and you are calling me dumb!!! ROFLMAO!!!
You might wanna quit while your behind.[/quote]

So, just so we’re clear, you know more about Afghanistan and the Taliban than the most prominent Pakistani journalist on the subject, and more than one of General Petraeus’ most important counter-insurgency advisers? Is that right? Can you just confirm that for me?

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You see, now if he attacks them full on he can say “well I tried to reach out to them”. I think he has a shrewd idea of manipulating the masses like any good leader should.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
Makavali wrote:
pat wrote:

LOL! Yet another embarrassing moment, there are so many! Let’s have a moment of silence…It just speaks for itself.

Why would you lol about a failure with a terrorist group?

What failure of a terrorist group? What the hell are you talking about?

I LOL’d at the fact that this moron wanted to negotiate with the taliban and they told him to go fuck himself…I find that funny. I mean really, how can you not…I really truly laughed my ass off when I read the article…It was no e-comedy I laughed out loud. You have to be dumber than mule-shit to think you can negotiate with taliban or to think somehow there are “moderate taliban”.

There is only one taliban and they are very fucking far from moderate, in case you did not know.

And you’re more of an expert on the Taliban than Ahmed Rashid, David Kilcullen, Sarah Chayes…all of whom have, for starters, actually BEEN to Afghanistan?

These guys says there is a moderate taliban? Oh please reference…
How close was old Sarah Chayes able to get to the taliban? This should be good…Please link us up…

I’m not gonna find you neat little 500-word links to defend stuff that is almost common sense. Ever heard of Google?

There is no evidence of any “moderate taliaban” Ok wiat, let me put moderate taliban in google…

Ok, so here is what I found:

http://blogs.dw-world.de/acrossthepond/michael/1.7795.html

http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/moderate-taliban.html

I could go on…but not one link popped up indicating there is such a thing.

But…

Sarah Chayes lives and works in Kandahar, which was where the Taliban was born. She is very anti-Taliban, being a Western woman working in Afghanistan, and may not even be in favor of reaching out to disaffected elements. However, I think she would say it is not one monolithic organization.

So? Considering they’d beat the fucking shit out of her if she were to attempt to speak to them, I highly doubt she knows shit about them. Since you cannot provide any evidence she does, I do not see the point of mentioning her name. Lot’s of people live there, who cares?

More importantly, Rashid has written several books, most recent is “Descent into Chaos.” As I said a couple pages ago, he had an interview with Fresh Air on NPR, within the last couple of months, where he was skeptical but expressed support for peeling off Taliban elements. Believe it or not, NPR has a website.

So dig it up and find me something. You have provided nothing. I sure as fuck cannot find even the remotest shred of evidence such a thing as a moderate taliban existing.

I have mentioned Kilcullen’s book. Man has fought and studied guerrillas on three continents. His main point, and hence the title (“The Accidental Guerrilla”) is that the majority, and quite possibly the vast majority, of the people fighting us in Iraq and Afghanistan are not hardened jihadists, but locals who want to be left alone.

I have posted this probably a half dozen times in response to other partisan idiots like JeffR, but it sums it up:

"So here is a theory of counterinsurgency. In six paragraphs and the form of a parable. Set in the rural South, where we both live.

We have already employed the counter insurgency…None of which are taliban or, and this may come as a shock too, al qaeda.

The house next door to you is sold, and the people who move in are white supremacist skinheads. You discover that they’ve started up a methamphetamine lab in their basement. You think about calling your County Sheriff’s Department, but you’re not so sure. The cops strike you as generally overweight and none too swift. The only time you ever see them is in the mall, two cruisers parked side by side, the deputies gossiping and waiting for the next radio call instead of being on patrol. You’re afraid that if you tell them about your neighbors the news will leak out and you’ll get your house burned down one night. After all, you have a wife and kids and a mortgage.

But one day the SWAT team shows up to serve a warrant and kicks down the neighbor’s door and drags them off to jail. You’re incredibly pleased and highly relieved. You vow that the next time the Department is doing some charity work you’ll write a check. And you tell one of the deputies that if he sees you out in the yard to stop and you’ll let him know what’s going on in the neighborhood.

Now let’s shift that scenario to a slightly alternate universe where the Bill of Rights doesn’t apply. The Sheriff’s Department gets the word that someone in the neighborhood is cooking meth. They don’t know who, but since no one in the neighborhood is telling them anything they think everyone might be white supremacists. So one night they kick down your door looking for the meth lab. They point guns at your kids and your wife and scare them half to death. While searching your home they break your furniture and throw your belongings everywhere. And they slap you around trying to get you to tell them where the meth lab is. By now you’ve forgotten all about your scary neighbors - you just want to get even with those cops.

Even worse, let’s say that the cops find out exactly where the meth lab is. But they’re afraid of the neighborhood, and they don’t want to get shot at taking down the lab. So they call in a fighter bomber and drop a 500 lb guided bomb on your neighbor’s house. That takes care of the meth lab, but it also blows down one wall of your house, breaks every window, and destroys the car you need to get to work every day. You don’t know what you’re going to do.

A couple of nights later, another neighbor comes to your door and says he’s making a bomb to blow up the next patrol car that comes down the road. And would you help him dig the hole for $100?

You’d probably do it for nothing, wouldn’t you?"

http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/six_easy_paragraphs.htm

Uh, what? That made absolutely no sense. For all I know my neighbor has a meth lab in his basement and quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck it he does. It’s his house. What’s that got to do with the fact that there is no such thing as a “moderate taliban”? Was that supposed to be an analogy?

Come on, you’re not really this dumb. You’re baiting me, right? You don’t understand a basic analogy?

I’ve given you multiple sources to educate yourself. If you’re too lazy to navigate NPR’s website for 90 seconds and then listen to an interview for 30 minutes, or, God forbid, read a book, then I don’t know what else to say. It is worrisome that in a democracy there an awful lot of voters like you.

You think there is such thing as a moderate taliban and you are calling me dumb!!! ROFLMAO!!!
You might wanna quit while your behind.

So, just so we’re clear, you know more about Afghanistan and the Taliban than the most prominent Pakistani journalist on the subject, and more than one of General Petraeus’ most important counter-insurgency advisers? Is that right? Can you just confirm that for me?[/quote]

I can confirm this, that you haven’t given me even the slightest shred of evidence to believe otherwise. I put the topic in the search engine and everybody, including the taliban, who writes an article or has an opinion has said this is an incredibly stupid and bad idea. There are only two people who thinks this is a good idea, you and Karzai.
Pretty please, with sugar on top, post a link, even if it’s “The Onion”, where Petraeus said it’s a good idea to talk to the taliban and to “reach out” to moderate talibanians.

It’s basically put up or shut up.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
You see, now if he attacks them full on he can say “well I tried to reach out to them”. I think he has a shrewd idea of manipulating the masses like any good leader should.[/quote]

We kicked them out of power and toppled the government. All we wanted was Bin Laden and and they would still be in power in Asscrackistan. The negotiations ended there, ding dong.

Shrewd idea indeed! He tried to give them a reach around is what he did.

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[quote]pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
Makavali wrote:
pat wrote:

LOL! Yet another embarrassing moment, there are so many! Let’s have a moment of silence…It just speaks for itself.

Why would you lol about a failure with a terrorist group?

What failure of a terrorist group? What the hell are you talking about?

I LOL’d at the fact that this moron wanted to negotiate with the taliban and they told him to go fuck himself…I find that funny. I mean really, how can you not…I really truly laughed my ass off when I read the article…It was no e-comedy I laughed out loud.

You have to be dumber than mule-shit to think you can negotiate with taliban or to think somehow there are “moderate taliban”.

There is only one taliban and they are very fucking far from moderate, in case you did not know.

And you’re more of an expert on the Taliban than Ahmed Rashid, David Kilcullen, Sarah Chayes…all of whom have, for starters, actually BEEN to Afghanistan?

These guys says there is a moderate taliban? Oh please reference…
How close was old Sarah Chayes able to get to the taliban? This should be good…Please link us up…

I’m not gonna find you neat little 500-word links to defend stuff that is almost common sense. Ever heard of Google?

There is no evidence of any “moderate taliaban” Ok wiat, let me put moderate taliban in google…

Ok, so here is what I found:

http://blogs.dw-world.de/acrossthepond/michael/1.7795.html

http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/moderate-taliban.html

I could go on…but not one link popped up indicating there is such a thing.

But…

Sarah Chayes lives and works in Kandahar, which was where the Taliban was born. She is very anti-Taliban, being a Western woman working in Afghanistan, and may not even be in favor of reaching out to disaffected elements. However, I think she would say it is not one monolithic organization.

So? Considering they’d beat the fucking shit out of her if she were to attempt to speak to them, I highly doubt she knows shit about them. Since you cannot provide any evidence she does, I do not see the point of mentioning her name. Lot’s of people live there, who cares?

More importantly, Rashid has written several books, most recent is “Descent into Chaos.” As I said a couple pages ago, he had an interview with Fresh Air on NPR, within the last couple of months, where he was skeptical but expressed support for peeling off Taliban elements. Believe it or not, NPR has a website.

So dig it up and find me something. You have provided nothing. I sure as fuck cannot find even the remotest shred of evidence such a thing as a moderate taliban existing.

I have mentioned Kilcullen’s book. Man has fought and studied guerrillas on three continents. His main point, and hence the title (“The Accidental Guerrilla”) is that the majority, and quite possibly the vast majority, of the people fighting us in Iraq and Afghanistan are not hardened jihadists, but locals who want to be left alone.

I have posted this probably a half dozen times in response to other partisan idiots like JeffR, but it sums it up:

"So here is a theory of counterinsurgency. In six paragraphs and the form of a parable. Set in the rural South, where we both live.

We have already employed the counter insurgency…None of which are taliban or, and this may come as a shock too, al qaeda.

The house next door to you is sold, and the people who move in are white supremacist skinheads. You discover that they’ve started up a methamphetamine lab in their basement. You think about calling your County Sheriff’s Department, but you’re not so sure.

The cops strike you as generally overweight and none too swift. The only time you ever see them is in the mall, two cruisers parked side by side, the deputies gossiping and waiting for the next radio call instead of being on patrol.

You’re afraid that if you tell them about your neighbors the news will leak out and you’ll get your house burned down one night. After all, you have a wife and kids and a mortgage.

But one day the SWAT team shows up to serve a warrant and kicks down the neighbor’s door and drags them off to jail. You’re incredibly pleased and highly relieved. You vow that the next time the Department is doing some charity work you’ll write a check.

And you tell one of the deputies that if he sees you out in the yard to stop and you’ll let him know what’s going on in the neighborhood.

Now let’s shift that scenario to a slightly alternate universe where the Bill of Rights doesn’t apply. The Sheriff’s Department gets the word that someone in the neighborhood is cooking meth. They don’t know who, but since no one in the neighborhood is telling them anything they think everyone might be white supremacists. So one night they kick down your door looking for the meth lab.

They point guns at your kids and your wife and scare them half to death. While searching your home they break your furniture and throw your belongings everywhere.

And they slap you around trying to get you to tell them where the meth lab is. By now you’ve forgotten all about your scary neighbors - you just want to get even with those cops.

Even worse, let’s say that the cops find out exactly where the meth lab is. But they’re afraid of the neighborhood, and they don’t want to get shot at taking down the lab. So they call in a fighter bomber and drop a 500 lb guided bomb on your neighbor’s house.

That takes care of the meth lab, but it also blows down one wall of your house, breaks every window, and destroys the car you need to get to work every day. You don’t know what you’re going to do.

A couple of nights later, another neighbor comes to your door and says he’s making a bomb to blow up the next patrol car that comes down the road. And would you help him dig the hole for $100?

You’d probably do it for nothing, wouldn’t you?"

http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/six_easy_paragraphs.htm

Uh, what? That made absolutely no sense. For all I know my neighbor has a meth lab in his basement and quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck it he does. It’s his house. What’s that got to do with the fact that there is no such thing as a “moderate taliban”? Was that supposed to be an analogy?

Come on, you’re not really this dumb. You’re baiting me, right? You don’t understand a basic analogy?

I’ve given you multiple sources to educate yourself. If you’re too lazy to navigate NPR’s website for 90 seconds and then listen to an interview for 30 minutes, or, God forbid, read a book, then I don’t know what else to say. It is worrisome that in a democracy there an awful lot of voters like you.

You think there is such thing as a moderate taliban and you are calling me dumb!!! ROFLMAO!!!
You might wanna quit while your behind.

So, just so we’re clear, you know more about Afghanistan and the Taliban than the most prominent Pakistani journalist on the subject, and more than one of General Petraeus’ most important counter-insurgency advisers? Is that right? Can you just confirm that for me?

I can confirm this, that you haven’t given me even the slightest shred of evidence to believe otherwise. I put the topic in the search engine and everybody, including the taliban, who writes an article or has an opinion has said this is an incredibly stupid and bad idea. There are only two people who thinks this is a good idea, you and Karzai.

Pretty please, with sugar on top, post a link, even if it’s “The Onion”, where Petraeus said it’s a good idea to talk to the taliban and to “reach out” to moderate talibanians.

It’s basically put up or shut up. [/quote]

You’re either incredibly obtuse or incredibly lazy. Instead of plugging a term you basically made up (“moderate Taliban”) into Google like an elementary school student with a research project, how about finding either of the sources I mentioned? You know how long it took me to find the Ahmed Rashid interview I mentioned above from the details I gave? 27 seconds. Might have broken half a minute if I had to Google NPR instead of guessing and typing “www.npr.org”:

(Hint: hit the button next to “Listen Now”. I’ll make it even easier, the part you’re looking for begins around the ten minute mark).

"Many of these Taliban who have carried out these attacks are not going to be part of the dialogue process. I mean, I do not envisage for example, anyone being able to talk to Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban…

But there are other Taliban commanders and groups who are not fighting for global jihad, they are not fighting to bomb New York. They’re fighting because they want to rid Afghanistan of foreign forces. Now some of them have carried out very bad acts.

But some of them are also there because, you know, their brother was killed by a U.S. bomb, their house was destroyed, they’ve lost their children, or they’ve been orphaned themselves, you know. So many of them are fighting for very personal reasons, and not necessarily for ideological reasons.

So I think the idea of this dialogue would be to try and cream off the more moderate Taliban or the more nationalistic Islamic Taliban, those certainly who have nothing to do with Al Qaeda and global jihad. You know, as far as talks with the Taliban are concerned, it’s been demonstrated in the 20th century that almost all serious insurgencies have ended with dialogue and some kind of reconciliation. There’s no way that you are going to be able to end this insurgency in Afghanistan, which involves such a large chunk of people as the Taliban do now, which has spread right across the country, you can’t end this by shooting them all, by killing them all, or by driving them back into Pakistan."

Any guess how long it took me to find “The Accidental Guerrilla” on Amazon.com? Or even a decent review via Google?

You couldn’t have done that yourself?

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
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LOL! Yet another embarrassing moment, there are so many! Let’s have a moment of silence…It just speaks for itself.

Why would you lol about a failure with a terrorist group?

What failure of a terrorist group? What the hell are you talking about?

I LOL’d at the fact that this moron wanted to negotiate with the taliban and they told him to go fuck himself…I find that funny. I mean really, how can you not…I really truly laughed my ass off when I read the article…It was no e-comedy I laughed out loud.

You have to be dumber than mule-shit to think you can negotiate with taliban or to think somehow there are “moderate taliban”.

There is only one taliban and they are very fucking far from moderate, in case you did not know.

And you’re more of an expert on the Taliban than Ahmed Rashid, David Kilcullen, Sarah Chayes…all of whom have, for starters, actually BEEN to Afghanistan?

These guys says there is a moderate taliban? Oh please reference…
How close was old Sarah Chayes able to get to the taliban? This should be good…Please link us up…

I’m not gonna find you neat little 500-word links to defend stuff that is almost common sense. Ever heard of Google?

There is no evidence of any “moderate taliaban” Ok wiat, let me put moderate taliban in google…

Ok, so here is what I found:

http://blogs.dw-world.de/acrossthepond/michael/1.7795.html

http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/moderate-taliban.html

I could go on…but not one link popped up indicating there is such a thing.

But…

Sarah Chayes lives and works in Kandahar, which was where the Taliban was born. She is very anti-Taliban, being a Western woman working in Afghanistan, and may not even be in favor of reaching out to disaffected elements. However, I think she would say it is not one monolithic organization.

So? Considering they’d beat the fucking shit out of her if she were to attempt to speak to them, I highly doubt she knows shit about them. Since you cannot provide any evidence she does, I do not see the point of mentioning her name. Lot’s of people live there, who cares?

More importantly, Rashid has written several books, most recent is “Descent into Chaos.” As I said a couple pages ago, he had an interview with Fresh Air on NPR, within the last couple of months, where he was skeptical but expressed support for peeling off Taliban elements. Believe it or not, NPR has a website.

So dig it up and find me something. You have provided nothing. I sure as fuck cannot find even the remotest shred of evidence such a thing as a moderate taliban existing.

I have mentioned Kilcullen’s book. Man has fought and studied guerrillas on three continents. His main point, and hence the title (“The Accidental Guerrilla”) is that the majority, and quite possibly the vast majority, of the people fighting us in Iraq and Afghanistan are not hardened jihadists, but locals who want to be left alone.

I have posted this probably a half dozen times in response to other partisan idiots like JeffR, but it sums it up:

"So here is a theory of counterinsurgency. In six paragraphs and the form of a parable. Set in the rural South, where we both live.

We have already employed the counter insurgency…None of which are taliban or, and this may come as a shock too, al qaeda.

The house next door to you is sold, and the people who move in are white supremacist skinheads. You discover that they’ve started up a methamphetamine lab in their basement. You think about calling your County Sheriff’s Department, but you’re not so sure.

The cops strike you as generally overweight and none too swift. The only time you ever see them is in the mall, two cruisers parked side by side, the deputies gossiping and waiting for the next radio call instead of being on patrol.

You’re afraid that if you tell them about your neighbors the news will leak out and you’ll get your house burned down one night. After all, you have a wife and kids and a mortgage.

But one day the SWAT team shows up to serve a warrant and kicks down the neighbor’s door and drags them off to jail. You’re incredibly pleased and highly relieved. You vow that the next time the Department is doing some charity work you’ll write a check.

And you tell one of the deputies that if he sees you out in the yard to stop and you’ll let him know what’s going on in the neighborhood.

Now let’s shift that scenario to a slightly alternate universe where the Bill of Rights doesn’t apply. The Sheriff’s Department gets the word that someone in the neighborhood is cooking meth. They don’t know who, but since no one in the neighborhood is telling them anything they think everyone might be white supremacists. So one night they kick down your door looking for the meth lab.

They point guns at your kids and your wife and scare them half to death. While searching your home they break your furniture and throw your belongings everywhere.

And they slap you around trying to get you to tell them where the meth lab is. By now you’ve forgotten all about your scary neighbors - you just want to get even with those cops.

Even worse, let’s say that the cops find out exactly where the meth lab is. But they’re afraid of the neighborhood, and they don’t want to get shot at taking down the lab. So they call in a fighter bomber and drop a 500 lb guided bomb on your neighbor’s house.

That takes care of the meth lab, but it also blows down one wall of your house, breaks every window, and destroys the car you need to get to work every day. You don’t know what you’re going to do.

A couple of nights later, another neighbor comes to your door and says he’s making a bomb to blow up the next patrol car that comes down the road. And would you help him dig the hole for $100?

You’d probably do it for nothing, wouldn’t you?"

http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/six_easy_paragraphs.htm

Uh, what? That made absolutely no sense. For all I know my neighbor has a meth lab in his basement and quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck it he does. It’s his house. What’s that got to do with the fact that there is no such thing as a “moderate taliban”? Was that supposed to be an analogy?

Come on, you’re not really this dumb. You’re baiting me, right? You don’t understand a basic analogy?

I’ve given you multiple sources to educate yourself. If you’re too lazy to navigate NPR’s website for 90 seconds and then listen to an interview for 30 minutes, or, God forbid, read a book, then I don’t know what else to say. It is worrisome that in a democracy there an awful lot of voters like you.

You think there is such thing as a moderate taliban and you are calling me dumb!!! ROFLMAO!!!
You might wanna quit while your behind.

So, just so we’re clear, you know more about Afghanistan and the Taliban than the most prominent Pakistani journalist on the subject, and more than one of General Petraeus’ most important counter-insurgency advisers? Is that right? Can you just confirm that for me?

I can confirm this, that you haven’t given me even the slightest shred of evidence to believe otherwise. I put the topic in the search engine and everybody, including the taliban, who writes an article or has an opinion has said this is an incredibly stupid and bad idea. There are only two people who thinks this is a good idea, you and Karzai.

Pretty please, with sugar on top, post a link, even if it’s “The Onion”, where Petraeus said it’s a good idea to talk to the taliban and to “reach out” to moderate talibanians.

It’s basically put up or shut up.

You’re either incredibly obtuse or incredibly lazy. Instead of plugging a term you basically made up (“moderate Taliban”) into Google like an elementary school student with a research project, how about finding either of the sources I mentioned? You know how long it took me to find the Ahmed Rashid interview I mentioned above from the details I gave? 27 seconds. Might have broken half a minute if I had to Google NPR instead of guessing and typing “www.npr.org”:

(Hint: hit the button next to “Listen Now”. I’ll make it even easier, the part you’re looking for begins around the ten minute mark).

"Many of these Taliban who have carried out these attacks are not going to be part of the dialogue process. I mean, I do not envisage for example, anyone being able to talk to Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban…

But there are other Taliban commanders and groups who are not fighting for global jihad, they are not fighting to bomb New York. They’re fighting because they want to rid Afghanistan of foreign forces. Now some of them have carried out very bad acts.

But some of them are also there because, you know, their brother was killed by a U.S. bomb, their house was destroyed, they’ve lost their children, or they’ve been orphaned themselves, you know. So many of them are fighting for very personal reasons, and not necessarily for ideological reasons.

So I think the idea of this dialogue would be to try and cream off the more moderate Taliban or the more nationalistic Islamic Taliban, those certainly who have nothing to do with Al Qaeda and global jihad. You know, as far as talks with the Taliban are concerned, it’s been demonstrated in the 20th century that almost all serious insurgencies have ended with dialogue and some kind of reconciliation. There’s no way that you are going to be able to end this insurgency in Afghanistan, which involves such a large chunk of people as the Taliban do now, which has spread right across the country, you can’t end this by shooting them all, by killing them all, or by driving them back into Pakistan."

Any guess how long it took me to find “The Accidental Guerrilla” on Amazon.com? Or even a decent review via Google?

You couldn’t have done that yourself?[/quote]

I didn’t make up the phrase “moderate taliban” your idiot president did. Further, if you want to prove a point it’s incumbent on you to back it up, not incumbent on me to find your “proof” for you.

Third, this guy is as dumb as obama. I don’t give a whole, hardy fuck as to why they joined the taliban, if they had a choice, or what ever. They are a terrorist organization whose members are sworn to kill, maim and destroy those who are not as radical as themselves. How the fuck are you going to determine whose moderate and whose not? One by one? They give no such courtesy to our soldiers, to their own people and especially their women.
They had their chance to negotiate. All they had to do is turn over bin laden and not a single American boot would have hit their soil. After 6 years of war now is not the time to negotiate, now is the time to surge, kill bin laden and mullah omar and end this shit once and for all.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511873,00.html

PAKISTAN TALIBAN LEADER THREATENS TO ATTACK WASHINGTON.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511873,00.html

PAKISTAN TALIBAN LEADER THREATENS TO ATTACK WASHINGTON.[/quote]

Seems negotiations broke down.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=a06Q9BvrVcck&refer=asia

last paragraph is best.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=a06Q9BvrVcck&refer=asia

last paragraph is best.[/quote]

And then there is hillary…Holy shit these are stupid people…

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Seems the negotiating is all in their favor.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090405/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan

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Fear not the chosen one is going to get the Iranians to help us out.

US Awards Iran Role as Military Partner, Sells Israel Short

DEBKAfile Excusive Analysis

Only two weeks ago, Israel’s chief of staff Lt. Gen. Gaby Ashkenazi, then visiting Washington, was denied interviews with US defense secretary Robert Gates and the chairman of the US chiefs of staff Adm. Mike Mullen. He cut short his visit after seeing national security adviser Gen. James Jones and Iran envoy Dennis Ross, lesser lights in terms of their direct influence on President Barack Obama.

Since then, the US president has decided the snub was ill-judged.

During 2008 and up until his exit from the White House, George W. Bush found Ashkenazi useful for conveying to the former prime minister Ehud Olmert and defense minister Ehud Barak his administration’s strong objections to an Israeli military strike on Iran’s nuclear sites. The US effort to hold Israel’s hand brought Mullen and an array of top US generals calling at the chief of staff’s Tel Aviv headquarters almost every ten days in the last months of 2008.

Mullen wanted to keep this effort afloat, but president Obama thought otherwise, which is why Ashkenazi was so coolly received in Washington in mid-March.

However, the inception of Binyamin Netanyahu as prime minister with Barak held over at defense occasioned a spate of declarations which worried the new administration: Netanyahu declared at his swearing-in last Tuesday that if American sanctions and diplomacy fail, Israel will be forced to take action against Iran’s nuclear weapon drive and time was running out.

His words were echoed by Barak.

Obama therefore decided to revive the Ashkenazi track, while he was still abroad at the G20 in London and the NATO summit at Strasbourg, and before visiting Istanbul next week. He feared that Israel might upset his broad strategic applecart which hinges on the co-option of Iran as its primary hinge.

Ashkenazi was therefore invited to Strasbourg to carry some more bad news to his government, i.e. that the Obama administration wants Iran as its key military and intelligence partner for resolving America’s Afghanistan-Pakistan (known now as “Afgpak”) predicament. The shape of this alliance lacks final form; backdoor US-Iranian meetings at various levels are in progress at different venues to determine how far Tehran is willing to go. But the US president has set his course.

The high points of the proposed collaboration were first revealed exclusively by DEBKA-Weekly 390 of March 27 and 391 of April 3.

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Its impact was sensed at the NATO summit in Strasbourg.

Aside from UK premier Gordon Brown, NATO leaders by and large refused the US president’s appeal for more troops to fight in Afghanistan. German chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy told Obama there was no point in sending reinforcements to Afghanistan if US troops were on their way out, especially after Washington had opted for an “Iranian solution” for the conflict without reference to Berlin or Paris.

The Obama administration has a bitter pill for Israel to swallow for the sake of progress toward a strategic collaboration with Tehran on Afghanistan and Pakistan. It cuts close to the bone in terms of Israel’s security and international standing:

  1. Washington will not brook any unilateral Israeli military action that might upset US-Iranian moves towards cooperation in the Afgpak Arena.

  2. Washington will apply all its resources to obstruct such action.

  3. It will not be enough for Israel to stand idle as Iran develops a nuclear bomb. The Obama administration also has fish to fry with Taliban and is bent on an urgent breakthrough in Israel-Arab peacemaking for dividends relevant to this arena too.

Israel can therefore expect to be squeezed hard for sweeping concessions to Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians in order to enhance America’s hand on both these tracks.

  1. This will bring Jerusalem’s Arab opponents to the negotiating table with loaded dice and no bar to treating Israel as the weak party.

The tidings Ashkenazi brings back to Jerusalem from Strasbourg will not be news because Israel officials have been aware of the state of play between Obama and Tehran for some weeks. The only question is how Adm. Mullen packaged his briefing: Did he offer the Israeli chief of staff the chance of military coordination with the United States alongside its evolving pact with Iran? Or simply outline the new situation as a take-it or leave-it proposition?

When this development finally percolates through to the Israeli public, opposition leader Tzipi Livni will no doubt use the opportunity to lay it at the door of the Netanyahu-Lieberman administration as the price for backing away from the Annapolis version of a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

Livni’s efforts to discredit the new government will be internationally popular ? but chronologically and factually untenable. The new Obama strategy and its disastrous fallout for Israel took shape while she was still foreign minister and vice premier, for one; and, furthermore, a Palestinian state is clearly defined as the end product of the phased Middle East road map, which the Netanyahu government has formally embraced.

The Annapolis initiative never took off because the ensuing Livni-Olmert talks with Palestinian leaders led nowhere.

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If they threaten more bombings due to our drones, then our attacks must be working.

I would tell the Taliban that if THEY strike again we will use even more drones against them.

I like how everything got “better” as soon as Musharraf stepped down.

Yeah, right.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If they threaten more bombings due to our drones, then our attacks must be working.

I would tell the Taliban that if THEY strike again we will use even more drones against them.

I like how everything got “better” as soon as Musharraf stepped down.

Yeah, right.[/quote]

You realize if Pakistan falls apart Afghanistan is virtually irrelevant?

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
If they threaten more bombings due to our drones, then our attacks must be working.

I would tell the Taliban that if THEY strike again we will use even more drones against them.

I like how everything got “better” as soon as Musharraf stepped down.

Yeah, right.

You realize if Pakistan falls apart Afghanistan is virtually irrelevant?[/quote]

At least Lixy and the liberals are happy. With Musharraf gone I am sure we will soon see a rebirth of liberalism in Pakistan. Because we all know what a peace loving, liberal people the Pakistanis really are. They just needed that awful western puppet out of the way so they can express their true selves.

Just wait and see, things are going to get much better there.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
If they threaten more bombings due to our drones, then our attacks must be working.

I would tell the Taliban that if THEY strike again we will use even more drones against them.

I like how everything got “better” as soon as Musharraf stepped down.

Yeah, right.

You realize if Pakistan falls apart Afghanistan is virtually irrelevant?[/quote]

It is falling apart, and getting more radicalized by the minute.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
If they threaten more bombings due to our drones, then our attacks must be working.

I would tell the Taliban that if THEY strike again we will use even more drones against them.

I like how everything got “better” as soon as Musharraf stepped down.

Yeah, right.

You realize if Pakistan falls apart Afghanistan is virtually irrelevant?[/quote]

No kidding. That’s why we need to contain these bastards with or without help from Pakistan.

The situation is different there though. While it is ok for the Taliban to strike at innocent Muslim civilians because they declare them infidels, if the Pakistani government attack the Taliban, it is seen by the populace that the government is anti-Islamic.

Now if there was a general consensus amongst Muslims that the Taliban were acting outside the bounds of Islam, then they could be reckoned with.

As it stands now, the Taliban claim they are the only true Muslims and anyone who fights against them is either anti-Islamic or an apostate.

I saw a TV interview with a Pakistani political opponent (to the ones currently in charge) and his take is the war should be with Al-Qaeda only and we should leave the Taliban alone.

I am not so sure about this.