What was the E2 actually at?
I have over 2 months on estrogen .
I was on 25mg of testosterone eod , total of 75ishmg a week.
I took 3mg of estrogen valerate for 30 days, zero effect whatsover, I was still dry like I’m on proviron.
i decided i go off testosterone cold turkey, with no pct because taking clomid or tamoxifen on low estrogen literally kills me , and my balls are still in almost full size.
Im 21 days past my last injection , still taking estrogen , but symptoms are better , I urinate less, but still, if low e2 symptobs are still there, i still look dry and and urinate alot, but much better than being on testosterone.
but i don’t know if the estrogen I’m taking doing anything…I tend to think that dropping the testosterone was the main cause of the slight improvement I’m having.
also, i suspect that if i drop the estrogen , my condition will improve naturally.
because we have Erb and Era recepetors in the hypotamous , so because i’m taking estrogen , my body is not creating aromatase on it’s own.
from my understanding = if the hypotamous is sensing low estrogen - the hypotamous increase the lh and fsh in order to stimulate the testicles , and when the testicles produce enough testosterone , the testiscles increase the estrogen in order to balance the feedback loop
Depression is killing me and I don’t know how long i can take this…please don’t be harsh on me, I’m very weak mentally after this 1 and half insane years .
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This was per day?
yes.
pills form
75mg of T a week would put me at low T and low E. Double your T
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I know It’s okd post, but I’m in the same situation… how are you? Any update?
Hey
I’ve taken Prognova 2mg a day for a month when I came off trt, I don’t even know if it did anything on me, felt the same and had low e2 symptoms.
most users here a clueless and give bad advice that was relevent for 10 years ago.
I’m still in the same situation which I have low e2 (almost 2.5 years now)
and no, it has nothing to do with your free testosterone, if don’t have any aromtase enyzme in your body.
the problem is that we killed the enyzme totally and the feedback loop of the body is getting in the way.
Aromtase is created in the testies by FSH , and FSH is a way of the body to regulate sperm production.
We have salt In our sperm , and when we have too much sperm our body hold alot more salt and the salt which cause water retention cause something called vasoculatdialtion.
So when you have to much sperm the body release FSH and create estrogen and thus stop the feedback loop from creating too much sperm the body can’t handle.
Any supplement like arginine or cialis are known to reduce fsh levels because our pitutary see that there is enough vasulcardialtion and reduce the sperm production . weird mechinism but that what I understood so far.
so we need high levels of FSH to create new aromtase, which In my understanding it take 3 weeks to create one.
I gotta say that the more water you drink the less FSH levels you’ll have.
i’ve done 3 pct but in all of them I drinked 5 liters of water to cope with the extreme thrist feeling that I CONSTANTLY have and it helped but ruined the pcts.
right now I’m doing no fap which cause you to hold more salt becauseof the extra sperm you got in your body, but holding salt without drinking alot cause even better effects on fsh.
I’m really hoping this will get better, I stopped looking for help because most people say the same stupid stuff that means nothing and don’t understand the true mechinsm of the problem which is lack of aromtase.
good luck and remmeber that FSH is your friend.
Exogenous estrogen don’t work??
Reference for this? Cos on TRT we’ve got near zero FSH but still have the aromatase enzyme. Otherwise all guys would be low e2 when starting testosterone
Lol what?
An adult male aromatizes 20-50 mcg of estradiol daily. I’ve used doses in between 20-100mcg of estradiol valerate daily before. I did not feel too much. I believe that my naturally high dht and progesterone are the culprits in my lower aromatase activity
I think so too.
The problem is that LH increase the release of progsterone in the body which have an anti effect on estrogen.
So even if you have high estrogen you don’t feel like it.
And about the dht.
Makes sense, it’s like people on tren feeling low e2 when their estrogen is in good levels.
But still, FSH is what makes the aromatse.
What’s are you levels? I had low fsh for a year.
The moment estrogen get into the system naturally your body will lower your LH which will reduce the progsterone.
Talk to me privately if you can
Lots of nonsense and misinformation being spewed in this thread.
If so, we would like to point out the inconsistencies.
Fsh reduced by water rentetion is my theory and I have zero references to it.
But it’s true the serotoli cells creates aromatse from fsh. You can read it on wikipedia.
Wikipedia is not a medical journal. Anyone can make an entry in it. I dont even know where to begin with the inconsistencies.
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Drinking lots of water doesn’t mean you’ll have water retention (as you stated above). Besides the fact that FSH has never been linked to fluid consumption. Your theory is 1 inconsistency
You keep claiming about inconsistencies here.
I said the water rentetion is my theory and the others are well known in the medical literature.
Fsh create aromatse.
Either way you are not helpful, you come here only to gaslight people without offering any help.
Previously on February I took you advice and increased testosterone to 150mg form 75mg which did only worse side effects like getting dry even more.
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Is FSH actually what “creates aromatase”, really? I have no idea actually, where can I read about that?
Ok since you’re clearly not aromatasing T into E as most of us do, you have come up with theories. No concrete facts. You’re upset and that’s understandable. But you state that no one in here knows what theyre doing, because you’re not making headway. The No fap thing is nonsense. Pure nonsense. Water ruining your PCT is utter nonsense. Water intake also being the cause of your FSH woes is unproven, otherwise we would all be in your shoes. You’re simply an outlier who needs to supplement Estradiol too. Upping your dose is there to ensure you’ve covered your bases. Gotta try before you say “nope that aint it”. Now please show me a study in which the element that dominates your existence is also ruining your TRT, and PCT. Im not here to troll people. We’re all here learning within the same parameters that dictate optimal health. Wikipedia is not allowed in any school paper, thesis, or study, because its not a publication that is recognized by any Medical institution.
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I dont think you know what gaslighting means. This is word being thrown around by people who watch too much News and Political shows. Gaslighting means that you’re being told something is something when it clearly isnt. Its a tool used by manipulative people to make their victims seem like theyre the crazy ones. You should watch the classic “Gaslight” its about a man who makes his wife believe she’s crazy. I dont think you’re crazy nor am I trying to make you feel that way. Its simple. Add T and E will be produced. If this doesnt occur, try some more T and see if that stimulates something. If nothing happens, you’re getting somewhere and the answer is in supplementing what you’re not creating. Its what we all have to do. So please dont be angry, the truth is that we are all genuinely trying to help. But when you comeback, via a request, and you start to spew theories, the brakes come on hard.
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