'Take Away the 2nd Amendment'

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Reddog is right about the original justification for the 2nd Amendment. Consequently I feel obligated to point out, as I do whenever one of these threads comes up, that every single one of you would shit your pants and raise a white flag if faced with combat against, say, Seal Team 6…or for that matter ANY trained United States fighting force.[/quote]

When these type of ignorant opinions are tossed out there it always seems appropriate to mention that in the event of an “uprising” it is logical to assume that many current and ex members of all trained United States fighting forces including Seal Team 6 would likely make up parts of the insurgency.[/quote]

And if the Seals defected (along with the rest of the Armed Forces), they’d win. Whichever side they were on–they’d win.

That isn’t an argument for the necessity of guns amongst America’s citizenry.[/quote]

Then why did you bring it up?

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Reddog is right about the original justification for the 2nd Amendment. Consequently I feel obligated to point out, as I do whenever one of these threads comes up, that every single one of you would shit your pants and raise a white flag if faced with combat against, say, Seal Team 6…or for that matter ANY trained United States fighting force.[/quote]

When these type of ignorant opinions are tossed out there it always seems appropriate to mention that in the event of an “uprising” it is logical to assume that many current and ex members of all trained United States fighting forces including Seal Team 6 would likely make up parts of the insurgency.[/quote]

And if the Seals defected (along with the rest of the Armed Forces), they’d win. Whichever side they were on–they’d win.

That isn’t an argument for the necessity of guns amongst America’s citizenry.[/quote]

Then why did you bring it up?[/quote]

What about this was hard for you to follow?

–“We need guns to rebel against the government.”

Me: “You wouldn’t do shit against the army.”

–“The army would rebel too!”

Me: “That doesn’t speak a word about YOU (i.e. the citizenry) needing guns.”

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

And if the Seals defected (along with the rest of the Armed Forces), they’d win. Whichever side they were on–they’d win.

That isn’t an argument for the necessity of guns amongst America’s citizenry.[/quote]

Kinda negates don’t you think…

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Reddog is right about the original justification for the 2nd Amendment. Consequently I feel obligated to point out, as I do whenever one of these threads comes up, that every single one of you would shit your pants and raise a white flag if faced with combat against, say, Seal Team 6…or for that matter ANY trained United States fighting force.[/quote]

When these type of ignorant opinions are tossed out there it always seems appropriate to mention that in the event of an “uprising” it is logical to assume that many current and ex members of all trained United States fighting forces including Seal Team 6 would likely make up parts of the insurgency.[/quote]

And if the Seals defected (along with the rest of the Armed Forces), they’d win. Whichever side they were on–they’d win.

That isn’t an argument for the necessity of guns amongst America’s citizenry.[/quote]

Then why did you bring it up?[/quote]

What about this was hard for you to follow?

–“We need guns to rebel against the government.”

Me: “You wouldn’t do shit against the army.”

–“The army would rebel too!”

Me: “That doesn’t speak a word about YOU (i.e. the citizenry) needing guns.”
[/quote]

Army is made of citizens. Under your logic I guess the US is going to arm revolting soldiers wanting to uprise its own government. So should a Navy Seal that feels disenfranchised be able to own weapons as a regular citizen or not?

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Reddog is right about the original justification for the 2nd Amendment. Consequently I feel obligated to point out, as I do whenever one of these threads comes up, that every single one of you would shit your pants and raise a white flag if faced with combat against, say, Seal Team 6…or for that matter ANY trained United States fighting force.[/quote]

When these type of ignorant opinions are tossed out there it always seems appropriate to mention that in the event of an “uprising” it is logical to assume that many current and ex members of all trained United States fighting forces including Seal Team 6 would likely make up parts of the insurgency.[/quote]

And if the Seals defected (along with the rest of the Armed Forces), they’d win. Whichever side they were on–they’d win.

That isn’t an argument for the necessity of guns amongst America’s citizenry.[/quote]

Then why did you bring it up?[/quote]

What about this was hard for you to follow?

–“We need guns to rebel against the government.”

Me: “You wouldn’t do shit against the army.”

–“The army would rebel too!”

Me: “That doesn’t speak a word about YOU (i.e. the citizenry) needing guns.”
[/quote]

Army is made of citizens. Under your logic I guess the US is going to arm revolting soldiers wanting to uprise its own government. So should a Navy Seal that feels disenfranchised be able to own weapons as a regular citizen or not? [/quote]

There are at least a million healthy veterans living as citizens in the U.S. right now. How many do you think would reject taking up arms against there neighbors in an uprising? They have the right to own guns and so do their non-veteran neighbors that would fight beside them.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Reddog is right about the original justification for the 2nd Amendment. Consequently I feel obligated to point out, as I do whenever one of these threads comes up, that every single one of you would shit your pants and raise a white flag if faced with combat against, say, Seal Team 6…or for that matter ANY trained United States fighting force.[/quote]

When these type of ignorant opinions are tossed out there it always seems appropriate to mention that in the event of an “uprising” it is logical to assume that many current and ex members of all trained United States fighting forces including Seal Team 6 would likely make up parts of the insurgency.[/quote]

And if the Seals defected (along with the rest of the Armed Forces), they’d win. Whichever side they were on–they’d win.

That isn’t an argument for the necessity of guns amongst America’s citizenry.[/quote]

Then why did you bring it up?[/quote]

What about this was hard for you to follow?

–“We need guns to rebel against the government.”

Me: “You wouldn’t do shit against the army.”

–“The army would rebel too!”

Me: “That doesn’t speak a word about YOU (i.e. the citizenry) needing guns.”
[/quote]

Army is made of citizens. Under your logic I guess the US is going to arm revolting soldiers wanting to uprise its own government. So should a Navy Seal that feels disenfranchised be able to own weapons as a regular citizen or not? [/quote]

There are at least a million healthy veterans living as citizens in the U.S. right now. How many do you think would reject taking up arms against there neighbors in an uprising? They have the right to own guns and so do their non-veteran neighbors that would fight beside them.
[/quote]

The fact that this point has to be repeated several times speaks volumes about the intellectual wherewithal of our dear bewildered little brother, smh. C’mon buddy, sharpen ye wits.[/quote]

NO! This is not happening, I mention I get manicures like five times in two days and, yet, not a nary soul takes the stab at me. I am disappoint.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Reddog is right about the original justification for the 2nd Amendment. Consequently I feel obligated to point out, as I do whenever one of these threads comes up, that every single one of you would shit your pants and raise a white flag if faced with combat against, say, Seal Team 6…or for that matter ANY trained United States fighting force.[/quote]

When these type of ignorant opinions are tossed out there it always seems appropriate to mention that in the event of an “uprising” it is logical to assume that many current and ex members of all trained United States fighting forces including Seal Team 6 would likely make up parts of the insurgency.[/quote]

And if the Seals defected (along with the rest of the Armed Forces), they’d win. Whichever side they were on–they’d win.

That isn’t an argument for the necessity of guns amongst America’s citizenry.[/quote]

Then why did you bring it up?[/quote]

What about this was hard for you to follow?

–“We need guns to rebel against the government.”

Me: “You wouldn’t do shit against the army.”

–“The army would rebel too!”

Me: “That doesn’t speak a word about YOU (i.e. the citizenry) needing guns.”
[/quote]

Army is made of citizens. Under your logic I guess the US is going to arm revolting soldiers wanting to uprise its own government. So should a Navy Seal that feels disenfranchised be able to own weapons as a regular citizen or not? [/quote]

There are at least a million healthy veterans living as citizens in the U.S. right now. How many do you think would reject taking up arms against there neighbors in an uprising? They have the right to own guns and so do their non-veteran neighbors that would fight beside them.
[/quote]

The fact that this point has to be repeated several times speaks volumes about the intellectual wherewithal of our dear bewildered little brother, smh. C’mon buddy, sharpen ye wits.[/quote]

NO! This is not happening, I mention I get manicures like five times in two days and, yet, not a nary soul takes the stab at me. I am disappoint. [/quote]

Your sexual orientation is your business.

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I remember reading before how before most genocides, the gov’t made it illegal for citizens to own weapons/firearms.
Nice table found here(20th century only), looks like the deaths add up to at least 74 million.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm

Documentary about it here

Looks like it’s actually on youtube here

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For the record, I don’t have a problem with guns for personal protection/recreation. I just like to take shots back at the we’re-gonna-revolt crowd.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
For the record, I don’t have a problem with guns for personal protection/recreation. I just like to take shots back at the we’re-gonna-revolt crowd.[/quote]

You think oligarchies last forever? All Empires fall, so “we’re-gunna-revolt” is a certainty. All that is uncertain is who “we” entails and when.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
For the record, I don’t have a problem with guns for personal protection/recreation. I just like to take shots back at the we’re-gonna-revolt crowd.[/quote]

It’s like any weapon. In all likelyhood you’ll never have to use it. Just the fact that your potential advesary knows you have it and are willing, keeps them in line.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
For the record, I don’t have a problem with guns for personal protection/recreation. I just like to take shots back at the we’re-gonna-revolt crowd.[/quote]

At least present a serious point for discussion.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
Reddog is right about the original justification for the 2nd Amendment. Consequently I feel obligated to point out, as I do whenever one of these threads comes up, that every single one of you would shit your pants and raise a white flag if faced with combat against, say, Seal Team 6…or for that matter ANY trained United States fighting force.[/quote]

Hey genius, the point of SEAL Team 6 is so that the people they are targeting will not know when they are going to show up – so no we wouldn’t shit ourselves until the bullet was already in our brain and we become incontinent.

And I laugh at you last statement. HA! You obviously have never been in the US military nor know anyone who has. They are just regular dimwits like you. Otherwise the military would not need “special forces” to do the real dirty work.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
For the record, I don’t have a problem with guns for personal protection/recreation. I just like to take shots back at the we’re-gonna-revolt crowd.[/quote]

Are you telling me you would not defend your own or your family’s lives against murderous thugs in uniform?

If every capable person owned and was proficient with a rifle and used it to threatened their governmental leaders more often we would not be in the mess we are right now.

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Take guns away from government and give them to citizens.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
At least thats what these two guys say:

…[/quote]

Apparently Mr. Rubin wasn’t aware that in 2008, the SCOTUS ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the 2nd Amendment recognizes not a collective right, but an individual one. This put to rest the liberal argument that the militia clause of the 2A indicated a desire by the framers to preserve a collective right.

And of course his argument is ridiculous anyway, since the law that Mr. Burress broke and was jailed for was a local law, not a federal one. And since this article was written in 2009, prior to McDonald v. Chicago, the 2A had yet to be incorporated through the due process clause of the 14A…as it later would be in 2010…and therefore did not extend it’s protection against local levels of law.

I wrote something back around Christmas time about this subject, focused on North Carolina’s local gun laws and some changes in store due to the Heller and McDonald cases…but rather than post here and derail this thread, I’ll post it in a new thread…