T-Readers --- HELP!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Teledin wrote:
Looking on putting in an order to Amazon very soon as I’ve nearly churned through my last order of reading material which will be completed within the next couple weeks.

Looking for any excellent reads on topics such as; economics, politics, self actualisation, etc. The below short lists should provide you with an idea of the kinds of things I’m interested in.

In short really anything that is non-fiction, a great read, and applicable to everyday life.

Last batch ordered included:

  • The Art of War by Samuel B. Griffith
  • What Would Machiavelli Do? by Stanley Bing
  • Supertraining by Mel Siff
  • Practical Programming for Strength by Mark Rippetoe
  • 5/3/1 by Jim Wendler
  • Thick Face, Black Heart by Chin-Ning Chu
  • Never Let Go by Dan John
  • Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill
  • The Lucifer Effect by Philip Zimbardo
  • Live Life Aggressively by Mike Mahler

In my next batch I have currently included the following to be order:

  • Mein Kampf
  • The Asian Mind Game by Chin-Ning Chu[/quote]

Well, what you seem to want is “36 stratagems”.

I would warn you though, unlike other books you mentioned, na, not quite true but still, anyway, to get to the point, with this one you need to put in the work.

Meaning, active participation is nice reading any book, but if you do not bother, dont bother with this one.

Also, if you do not reread the “Art of War” every three years or so, whats the point anyway.

Also, Hagakure … and Machiavellis contribution to the history of ideas is misunderstood IMO and I would not trust anyone who thinks name dropping Machiavelli is a selling point.

Not because Machiavelli was not right, somewhat, but because he was a bloody amateur compared to Asian authors because the idea that he sought to overcome was never in their heads. They immediately cut to the bone, whereas he is all giddy that he dares to question a catholic morality.

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Have you ever even read the Fucking Prince, or did you just peruse Book 24 back in high school? It’s not really about challenging Catholic morality specifically. It’s about sovereignty and what it is that makes a “prince” a prince. It’s about the nature of authority, namely that its defined by who has it and who can maintain it. As far as Catholic morality goes, it really only challenges it in that Machiavelli demonstrates that it is huan action, decision-making and so forth that had given the Church its power, NOT a higher authority in God. Like other princes before him, from Alexander to Cesare Borgia, the Pope maintains power through action (or “Machiavellianism”, for lack of a better term) and not through some divine aspect of authority.

Also, for Machiavelli to say anything at all that condemns the Catholic Church or religion in general was a pretty ballsy thing for anyone in Renaissance Italy to do. Where Asian authors opt for directness, Machiavelli uses history to show that there is a certain pattern to things and that humans can think and make decisions that can change the outcome of history. Humans can come to conclusions on their own, independent of religious doctrine, about the sciences. Don’t forget the context in which the Prince was written. Scientific thought, whether it be political science or natural science, was increasingly being seen as capable of providing answers that “God” or religion did not answer. Nietzsche’s “god is dead” philosophy is a natural extension of this. All Machiavelli is doing is using history as a science to demonstrate how to achieve sovereignty.

On top of all of this, most people never consider the possibility that The Prince was a satirical work written so as to be taken seriously by the Medicis while not also giving the impression to his republican friends that Nicolo had sold out his democratic ideals. When that possibility is taken into account, the entire book can take on a new meaning. There is a growing attitude amongst academics that this is the vein in which The Prince was written.

x2 to Outliers… or any Malcolm Gladwell book. The guy has a unique perspective and a good way of explaining it. I don’t agree with all of his conclusions, but I can respect that he’s at least looking at things through a different lens. I recomend On Killing by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. It explores the mental aspects of killing another human being before, during and after the fact through the eyes of soliders and law enforcement professionals.

And for the OP, or anyone else who feels so inclined, I’ve attached a link with a very interesting read about Hitler. I thought I saw you or someone on here mention that you are interested in pathology. The following is a confidential psychological profile of Hitler prepared for the OSS in 1943 by psychoanalyst Henry A. Murray. The report is a detailed description of Hitler’s likely personality, based on eyewitness accounts, interpretation of his actions and/or words, interviews and so forth. Quite a read, especially the section detailing recommended methods of psychological warfare to be used against Hitler in conjunction with traditional military options.

http://library.lawschool.cornell.edu/WhatWeHave/SpecialCollections/Donovan/Hitler/upload/Hitler-Section1.pdf

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And for the OP, or anyone else who feels so inclined, I’ve attached a link with a very interesting read about Hitler. I thought I saw you or someone on here mention that you are interested in pathology. The following is a confidential psychological profile of Hitler prepared for the OSS in 1943 by psychoanalyst Henry A. Murray. The report is a detailed description of Hitler’s likely personality, based on eyewitness accounts, interpretation of his actions and/or words, interviews and so forth. Quite a read, especially the section detailing recommended methods of psychological warfare to be used against Hitler in conjunction with traditional military options.

http://library.lawschool.cornell.edu/WhatWeHave/SpecialCollections/Donovan/Hitler/upload/Hitler-Section1.pdf[/quote]

Do you recommend a swig of Holy Water before someone dives into this?

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And for the OP, or anyone else who feels so inclined, I’ve attached a link with a very interesting read about Hitler. I thought I saw you or someone on here mention that you are interested in pathology. The following is a confidential psychological profile of Hitler prepared for the OSS in 1943 by psychoanalyst Henry A. Murray. The report is a detailed description of Hitler’s likely personality, based on eyewitness accounts, interpretation of his actions and/or words, interviews and so forth. Quite a read, especially the section detailing recommended methods of psychological warfare to be used against Hitler in conjunction with traditional military options.

http://library.lawschool.cornell.edu/WhatWeHave/SpecialCollections/Donovan/Hitler/upload/Hitler-Section1.pdf[/quote]

Do you recommend a swig of Holy Water before someone dives into this?[/quote]

No. Read it while floating in a pool of holy water.

Lone Survivor -Marcus Luttrel

Seal Of Honor -Gary Williams

The Power of Now -don’t remember author

Psycho Cybernetics- Maxwell Maltz

The Way of the Superior Man- also don’t remember

Nikola Tesla theorised women would eventually rule the world. Judging by recent studies showing women are slowly creeping up in places of authority, especially in the business world, this prediction may some day come to fruition. Maybe it’s about time someone wrote The Princess.

+1 to what DB wrote about Mein Kampf. There’s really no good reason to read it.

I really liked

The Drunkards Walk: How Randomness Rules the World - Most of us really suck at stats and probability. This shows how it relates to all of us and just how random the world really is.

Cheap: The High Cost of Discount Culture. We take for granted our cheap things and have an unrealistic expectation for them.

We Were Soldiers Once…And Young - Fantastic book on leadership (and I’m a Marine so if an Army book makes my recommended list then you know it’s good).

james

48 laws of power- Robert Greene

Introducing NLP - Joseph O’Conner, John Seymour and Joseph O’Connor

What Every BODY is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent’s Guide to Speed-Reading People- Marvin Karlins, Joe Navarro

Super Squats: How to Gain 30 Pounds of Muscle in 6 Weeks- Randall J. Strossen

I thought Freakonomics and the sequel, Superfreakonomics, were both great. I have zero econ background and the authors deliver awesome topics over and over. Also, The Third Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond (the guy who did Guns, Germs, and Steel).

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Mein Kampf has obviously been a very influential work. That being said, it’s pure drivel. It’s not the work of an intellect by any means whatsoever. Beyond that, it isn’t a good source for a look into Hitler’s mind if you are interested in him from a purely psychoanalytical standpoint. For that, I would recommend “Hitler’s Table Talk”. Don’t waste your money on Mein Kampf thinking your expanding your literary or intellectual horizons because you won’t be. The guy was clinically narcissistic and a severe yet high-functioning paranoid schizophrenic and the book reads as such. If you want to read something like that read “The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test” instead. Don’t turn into some Francophile/pseudo hipster intellect who reads Mein Kampf and thinks he’s cool because he’s being “intellectually honest” and funny because he’s being ironic.

“What Would Machiavelli Do?” Fuck that book. Why not just reread The Prince (I assume you’ve read it, and if not you definitely should) and decide for yourself what he would do? Personally, I think that the Prince is the epitome of Machiavellianism. Don’t forget, Machiavelli was an exiled, disgraced republican and a lifetime civil servant who had no part in govt when the Medici took power. I’ve always read the book as a veiled indictment of the autocratic, sometimes-tyrannical rule the book purports to endorse. The Medicis read it as a manual to rule, one that Machiavelli hoped they would be receptive toward and eventually bring him back into govt. At the same time, to those who knew Machiavelli, the book was clearly a satirical condemnation of “Machiavellianism”. You should also check out his “Discourses”, which are far lengthier than the Prince but equally as important in my opinion.

Quite frankly, after reading a couple of descriptions of Bing’s book, it seems to me that the guy has never even read Machiavelli, especially if he thinks Machiavelli was a killer of some sort. Don’t waste your time with this book.[/quote]

Cheers for the response! I was actually looking at getting the unedited German version (which may be a challenge to find) as opposed to an English translation as I have noted many believe the translations aren’t up to par with the original. It is one of those books I just want to read for myself, just to see what is in it.

Bing’s book is centered more-so around delivering humor than actually teaching someone to be ‘Machiavellian’. Hence why I really couldn’t relate it to any one outside of the extreme leaders. I agree, it probably wasn’t worth the $8 that I paid for it. But it provided some laughs. lol


Haven’t had much time to check out all suggestions from the more recent posts as I’m busy early in the week. Skimmed a few of these and will look into them more mid week.

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Lone Survivor -Marcus Luttrel

Seal Of Honor -Gary Williams

The Power of Now -don’t remember author

Psycho Cybernetics- Maxwell Maltz

The Way of the Superior Man- also don’t remember

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I’m sorry but I keep reading your username as castrato.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Nikola Tesla theorised women would eventually rule the world. Judging by recent studies showing women are slowly creeping up in places of authority, especially in the business world, this prediction may some day come to fruition. Maybe it’s about time someone wrote The Princess. [/quote]

TBH I think much of the reason why more women are gaining authority isn’t so much as their increasing populace, more so starting to become privy to the fact that the majority of women have been very gullible in the past. They are realising you need to grow some balls and detach yourself to make the right decisions sometimes and not let emotions over power reason.

Most women try to think the best of everyone, particularly of men, who for the most part don’t really give a shit what women or other men think. Ever notice how the ‘girly’ girls in the corporate world never get higher than on their knees?

Add to that the percentage of female executives has been and still is very low. I don’t mind having women with more authority, provided they have a pair of grapefruits and can make the hard decisions. Most unfortunately can’t.

[quote]atypical1 wrote:
The Drunkards Walk: How Randomness Rules the World - Most of us really suck at stats and probability. This shows how it relates to all of us and just how random the world really is.
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Any chance you can tell me more of your opinion on this one?

I read a bunch of the reviews. The 5 star ones seem very biased one way, the 1 star very biased the other way. Which I accept and expect. Though what gets me is the 4 star reviews which seem to be more aligned with the 1 stars.

This isn’t just a math book driveling on about things I learned back in high school is it?

*** anyone who has read, feel free to chime in ***

[quote]Teledin wrote:

Cheers for the response! I was actually looking at getting the unedited German version (which may be a challenge to find) as opposed to an English translation as I have noted many believe the translations aren’t up to par with the original. It is one of those books I just want to read for myself, just to see what is in it.
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You wont get an unedited version because the rights are with the State of Bavaria and they do not print the book and the things that they do print are somewhat, well, if you are interested in ham handed German pedagogy they would be totally your ting.

Having said that, of course you can download it in about 3 seconds which I would totally recommend because usually the only ones putting unedited copies out there are German Nazi fucks, who probably do not deserve your money.

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/adolf-hitler-mein-kampf-deutsch-german-ungek-rzte-fassung

God, I love the Internet.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Teledin wrote:
Looking on putting in an order to Amazon very soon as I’ve nearly churned through my last order of reading material which will be completed within the next couple weeks.

Looking for any excellent reads on topics such as; economics, politics, self actualisation, etc. The below short lists should provide you with an idea of the kinds of things I’m interested in.

In short really anything that is non-fiction, a great read, and applicable to everyday life.

Last batch ordered included:

  • The Art of War by Samuel B. Griffith
  • What Would Machiavelli Do? by Stanley Bing
  • Supertraining by Mel Siff
  • Practical Programming for Strength by Mark Rippetoe
  • 5/3/1 by Jim Wendler
  • Thick Face, Black Heart by Chin-Ning Chu
  • Never Let Go by Dan John
  • Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill
  • The Lucifer Effect by Philip Zimbardo
  • Live Life Aggressively by Mike Mahler

In my next batch I have currently included the following to be order:

  • Mein Kampf
  • The Asian Mind Game by Chin-Ning Chu[/quote]

Well, what you seem to want is “36 stratagems”.

I would warn you though, unlike other books you mentioned, na, not quite true but still, anyway, to get to the point, with this one you need to put in the work.

Meaning, active participation is nice reading any book, but if you do not bother, dont bother with this one.

Also, if you do not reread the “Art of War” every three years or so, whats the point anyway.

Also, Hagakure … and Machiavellis contribution to the history of ideas is misunderstood IMO and I would not trust anyone who thinks name dropping Machiavelli is a selling point.

Not because Machiavelli was not right, somewhat, but because he was a bloody amateur compared to Asian authors because the idea that he sought to overcome was never in their heads. They immediately cut to the bone, whereas he is all giddy that he dares to question a catholic morality.

[/quote]

Have you ever even read the Fucking Prince, or did you just peruse Book 24 back in high school? It’s not really about challenging Catholic morality specifically. It’s about sovereignty and what it is that makes a “prince” a prince. It’s about the nature of authority, namely that its defined by who has it and who can maintain it. As far as Catholic morality goes, it really only challenges it in that Machiavelli demonstrates that it is huan action, decision-making and so forth that had given the Church its power, NOT a higher authority in God. Like other princes before him, from Alexander to Cesare Borgia, the Pope maintains power through action (or “Machiavellianism”, for lack of a better term) and not through some divine aspect of authority.

Also, for Machiavelli to say anything at all that condemns the Catholic Church or religion in general was a pretty ballsy thing for anyone in Renaissance Italy to do. Where Asian authors opt for directness, Machiavelli uses history to show that there is a certain pattern to things and that humans can think and make decisions that can change the outcome of history. Humans can come to conclusions on their own, independent of religious doctrine, about the sciences. Don’t forget the context in which the Prince was written. Scientific thought, whether it be political science or natural science, was increasingly being seen as capable of providing answers that “God” or religion did not answer. Nietzsche’s “god is dead” philosophy is a natural extension of this. All Machiavelli is doing is using history as a science to demonstrate how to achieve sovereignty.

On top of all of this, most people never consider the possibility that The Prince was a satirical work written so as to be taken seriously by the Medicis while not also giving the impression to his republican friends that Nicolo had sold out his democratic ideals. When that possibility is taken into account, the entire book can take on a new meaning. There is a growing attitude amongst academics that this is the vein in which The Prince was written.[/quote]

Machiavelli does not attack the Catholic Church, what he attacks is the idea of a catholic morality.

Which is why he was boo booed by almost everyone. The official narrative was that even kings had to obey Gods laws.

Also, Nietzsche did not really build on this, he just pointed it out, the full quote is “God id dead and you have killed him”. Machiavelli was one of the first to thrust a dagger.

Then, I do not believe that The Prince was meant to be satire, In the history of Florence f.e he develops the very same themes.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Teledin wrote:

Cheers for the response! I was actually looking at getting the unedited German version (which may be a challenge to find) as opposed to an English translation as I have noted many believe the translations aren’t up to par with the original. It is one of those books I just want to read for myself, just to see what is in it.
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You wont get an unedited version because the rights are with the State of Bavaria and they do not print the book and the things that they do print are somewhat, well, if you are interested in ham handed German pedagogy they would be totally your ting.

Having said that, of course you can download it in about 3 seconds which I would totally recommend because usually the only ones putting unedited copies out there are German Nazi fucks, who probably do not deserve your money.

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/adolf-hitler-mein-kampf-deutsch-german-ungek-rzte-fassung

God, I love the Internet. [/quote]

lol

Thanks. That solves that little problem.