T-Nation Direction?

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
When I stopped listening to the advice of people smaller and weaker than me on how to get bigger and stronger and only listened to people that were bigger and stronger than me, I got a lot bigger and stronger.

It may simply be correlation, but I think it’s an effective way to limit the amount of potentially bad advice I could receive by limiting the source pool in such a way. [/quote]

The other guy in that picture with Ian King is the late Charlie Francis, who trained Ben Johnson to the gold medal and a then world record in the 100m. His PB was 10.1, impressive, but it’s not like he was himself a world record holder or anything, he certainly wouldn’t be comparable to taking lifting advice from Ed Coan, and yet he was a legendary track coach.

I’m not belittling your perspective, as it is certainly a prudent one and will generally lead to good success, I am just noting that you could potentially weed out some extremely worthy coaching.
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Not a great comparison. 10.1 is very fast in the 100. The guy who gets last place at the Olympia is what that is comparable to. He didn’t win actually got last, but still very impressive. Plus when he hit 10.1 was a long time ago. I think Jesse Owens and Bob Hayes were around 10 second 100s
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He never made an Olympic final, was always eliminated in heats. 10.1 was his PB but he ran 10.5 at the Olympics(I don’t know if his 10.1 was wind aided or something, it actually looks to be an extreme outlier for his own performance).

I know he was fast, I made that point. Perhaps I undersold it with ‘impressive’, but I think I clarified it by noting that he wouldn’t be comparable to taking lifting advice from Ed Coan.

My overarching point still stands though. At some point, you can no longer be trained by 'someone bigger and stronger(or faster, or better at your sport) because no such entity may exist or be willing to coach you, so you will be eliminating perfectly good options. Usain Bolt has coaches, Micheal Phelps has coaches. Their coaches are certainly very accomplished in some way, but it’s not by being faster on the track or in the pool.

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^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.)

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
Oops! That’s Ian King, one of the best coaches in the world.
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Didn’t Kind used to be pretty jacked? I still have my old Printed Testosterone magazines, and he was a pretty beefy dude.

I personally understand that you can be an excellent coach without having excelled yourself, but the part of me that will always be a competitor, will always give the coach who has been through ‘it’ themselves’, and come out on top, a bit more respect.

This may be wrong in some way, but I’m sure the insane amount of online experts constantly quoting studies yet never really being able to produce their own results colors my view a bit. (Totally my own feelings)

S[/quote]

Sooo…when are you going to write for T-Nation? =) Maybe stuffs on bodybuilding prep, tanning, posing, loading etc

Now that I think of it, I’ve been reading T-Nation for several years and I don’t recall much articles on this part of the “sport”

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
It’s business. Some of the articles suck and many authors have shitty physiques, but my understanding is that they provide content in exchange for PR. [/quote]

And money! They’re not writing for free. [/quote]

Really, how much do they get paid per article? I guess it depends on the caliber of the author?
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I’m not sure but I heard TN pays well. [/quote]

Lets get more info on this. Can we get some ball park number?
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Not sure the number at all. I have just been told personally by three authors I’ve met that “they pay very good.” I assume for a writer, good pay is a buck per word. But who knows what is good these days considering some people write for free. Plus TN articles are far shorter than they used to be.

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[quote]56x11 wrote:
^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.) [/quote]

No, I did not get it

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
When I stopped listening to the advice of people smaller and weaker than me on how to get bigger and stronger and only listened to people that were bigger and stronger than me, I got a lot bigger and stronger.

It may simply be correlation, but I think it’s an effective way to limit the amount of potentially bad advice I could receive by limiting the source pool in such a way. [/quote]

The other guy in that picture with Ian King is the late Charlie Francis, who trained Ben Johnson to the gold medal and a then world record in the 100m. His PB was 10.1, impressive, but it’s not like he was himself a world record holder or anything, he certainly wouldn’t be comparable to taking lifting advice from Ed Coan, and yet he was a legendary track coach.

I’m not belittling your perspective, as it is certainly a prudent one and will generally lead to good success, I am just noting that you could potentially weed out some extremely worthy coaching.
[/quote]

Not a great comparison. 10.1 is very fast in the 100. The guy who gets last place at the Olympia is what that is comparable to. He didn’t win actually got last, but still very impressive. Plus when he hit 10.1 was a long time ago. I think Jesse Owens and Bob Hayes were around 10 second 100s
[/quote]

He never made an Olympic final, was always eliminated in heats. 10.1 was his PB but he ran 10.5 at the Olympics(I don’t know if his 10.1 was wind aided or something, it actually looks to be an extreme outlier for his own performance).

I know he was fast, I made that point. Perhaps I undersold it with ‘impressive’, but I think I clarified it by noting that he wouldn’t be comparable to taking lifting advice from Ed Coan.

My overarching point still stands though. At some point, you can no longer be trained by 'someone bigger and stronger(or faster, or better at your sport) because no such entity may exist or be willing to coach you, so you will be eliminating perfectly good options. Usain Bolt has coaches, Micheal Phelps has coaches. Their coaches are certainly very accomplished in some way, but it’s not by being faster on the track or in the pool.[/quote]

I understand your point. But, this

Francis was born in Toronto, Ontario. As an athlete, he was the Canadian 100 metres sprint champion in 1970, 1971, and 1973. He reached the second round of the Munich Olympics

Gives me the impression of taking coaching advise from someone very accomplished in their sport.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
When I stopped listening to the advice of people smaller and weaker than me on how to get bigger and stronger and only listened to people that were bigger and stronger than me, I got a lot bigger and stronger.

It may simply be correlation, but I think it’s an effective way to limit the amount of potentially bad advice I could receive by limiting the source pool in such a way. [/quote]

The other guy in that picture with Ian King is the late Charlie Francis, who trained Ben Johnson to the gold medal and a then world record in the 100m. His PB was 10.1, impressive, but it’s not like he was himself a world record holder or anything, he certainly wouldn’t be comparable to taking lifting advice from Ed Coan, and yet he was a legendary track coach.

I’m not belittling your perspective, as it is certainly a prudent one and will generally lead to good success, I am just noting that you could potentially weed out some extremely worthy coaching.
[/quote]

Not a great comparison. 10.1 is very fast in the 100. The guy who gets last place at the Olympia is what that is comparable to. He didn’t win actually got last, but still very impressive. Plus when he hit 10.1 was a long time ago. I think Jesse Owens and Bob Hayes were around 10 second 100s
[/quote]

He never made an Olympic final, was always eliminated in heats. 10.1 was his PB but he ran 10.5 at the Olympics(I don’t know if his 10.1 was wind aided or something, it actually looks to be an extreme outlier for his own performance).

I know he was fast, I made that point. Perhaps I undersold it with ‘impressive’, but I think I clarified it by noting that he wouldn’t be comparable to taking lifting advice from Ed Coan.

My overarching point still stands though. At some point, you can no longer be trained by 'someone bigger and stronger(or faster, or better at your sport) because no such entity may exist or be willing to coach you, so you will be eliminating perfectly good options. Usain Bolt has coaches, Micheal Phelps has coaches. Their coaches are certainly very accomplished in some way, but it’s not by being faster on the track or in the pool.[/quote]

I understand your overall point, and can agree that if you are gifted in a field you can come to level that you will be getting coaching from someone not as gifted as you are in that field. But, this

Francis was born in Toronto, Ontario. As an athlete, he was the Canadian 100 metres sprint champion in 1970, 1971, and 1973. He reached the second round of the Munich Olympics

Is getting coaching from someone who has been there and done that in his chosen coaching field. If a person is on track to become World Champion they will be getting coaching from someone that is not as gifted in the event in most cases.

I was just saying that hitting close to a 10 second 100 meter time is very very impressive. It is in fact World Class speed

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.) [/quote]

No, I did not get it[/quote]

Guys, you have to be level 5 or above to send or receive PMs.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

Guys, you have to be level 5 or above to send or receive PMs.[/quote]

Thanks.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.) [/quote]

No, I did not get it[/quote]

This debate regarding the validity of the information that’s out there reminded me of the that predator program thread in BSL.

You asked me a question on 5-20 and the answer is yes, you pretty much got it.

That purensanity wanted fame and I helped him along. Eventually, he realized that being well known is not the same as being well respected. Furthermore, in this day and age, any publicity is not necessarily good. Otherwise, why didn’t his laughable ebook sell like hotcakes?.

Just look at his 5-20 post in which he comes clean:

“Hello my name is Bryan and I’m a beginning lifter. I’ve been lifting for a long time and haven’t made much progress in the last several years. I realize a big part of my issues is failing to self-evaluate my own workouts objectively. There are many things I stopped paying attention to that are very important.”

Then he blabbered on about how he’s going to forge on with the experiment in the name of body comp. This was just a normal way of saving face in light of the public humiliation he suffered.

Plus, I had some friendly side wagers that, contrary to popular belief, trolls can indeed be put in their place. You just have to find a weakness; and they ALL have a weakness or they wouldn’t be trolls.

Since he showed a more deferential tone from that point on, and because I collected my winnings from the wagers, I saw no further need to bother with that sad little man.

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Yeah, I remember that.

Cool

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.) [/quote]

No, I did not get it[/quote]

Guys, you have to be level 5 or above to send or receive PMs.[/quote]

Gotcha

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[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.) [/quote]

No, I did not get it[/quote]

This debate regarding the validity of the information that’s out there reminded me of the that predator program thread in BSL.

You asked me a question on 5-20 and the answer is yes, you pretty much got it.

That purensanity wanted fame and I helped him along. Eventually, he realized that being well known is not the same as being well respected. Furthermore, in this day and age, any publicity is not necessarily good. Otherwise, why didn’t his laughable ebook sell like hotcakes?.

Just look at his 5-20 post in which he comes clean:

“Hello my name is Bryan and I’m a beginning lifter. I’ve been lifting for a long time and haven’t made much progress in the last several years. I realize a big part of my issues is failing to self-evaluate my own workouts objectively. There are many things I stopped paying attention to that are very important.”

Then he blabbered on about how he’s going to forge on with the experiment in the name of body comp. This was just a normal way of saving face in light of the public humiliation he suffered.

Plus, I had some friendly side wagers that, contrary to popular belief, trolls can indeed be put in their place. You just have to find a weakness; and they ALL have a weakness or they wouldn’t be trolls.

Since he showed a more deferential tone from that point on, and because I collected my winnings from the wagers, I saw no further need to bother with that sad little man. [/quote]

If he honored the wager he wasn’t a troll.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.) [/quote]

No, I did not get it[/quote]

This debate regarding the validity of the information that’s out there reminded me of the that predator program thread in BSL.

You asked me a question on 5-20 and the answer is yes, you pretty much got it.

That purensanity wanted fame and I helped him along. Eventually, he realized that being well known is not the same as being well respected. Furthermore, in this day and age, any publicity is not necessarily good. Otherwise, why didn’t his laughable ebook sell like hotcakes?.

Just look at his 5-20 post in which he comes clean:

“Hello my name is Bryan and I’m a beginning lifter. I’ve been lifting for a long time and haven’t made much progress in the last several years. I realize a big part of my issues is failing to self-evaluate my own workouts objectively. There are many things I stopped paying attention to that are very important.”

Then he blabbered on about how he’s going to forge on with the experiment in the name of body comp. This was just a normal way of saving face in light of the public humiliation he suffered.

Plus, I had some friendly side wagers that, contrary to popular belief, trolls can indeed be put in their place. You just have to find a weakness; and they ALL have a weakness or they wouldn’t be trolls.

Since he showed a more deferential tone from that point on, and because I collected my winnings from the wagers, I saw no further need to bother with that sad little man. [/quote]

If he honored the wager he wasn’t a troll. [/quote]

The wager was not with the guy who started the predator thread. It was with someone else.

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[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.) [/quote]

No, I did not get it[/quote]

This debate regarding the validity of the information that’s out there reminded me of the that predator program thread in BSL.

You asked me a question on 5-20 and the answer is yes, you pretty much got it.

That purensanity wanted fame and I helped him along. Eventually, he realized that being well known is not the same as being well respected. Furthermore, in this day and age, any publicity is not necessarily good. Otherwise, why didn’t his laughable ebook sell like hotcakes?.

Just look at his 5-20 post in which he comes clean:

“Hello my name is Bryan and I’m a beginning lifter. I’ve been lifting for a long time and haven’t made much progress in the last several years. I realize a big part of my issues is failing to self-evaluate my own workouts objectively. There are many things I stopped paying attention to that are very important.”

Then he blabbered on about how he’s going to forge on with the experiment in the name of body comp. This was just a normal way of saving face in light of the public humiliation he suffered.

Plus, I had some friendly side wagers that, contrary to popular belief, trolls can indeed be put in their place. You just have to find a weakness; and they ALL have a weakness or they wouldn’t be trolls.

Since he showed a more deferential tone from that point on, and because I collected my winnings from the wagers, I saw no further need to bother with that sad little man. [/quote]

If he honored the wager he wasn’t a troll. [/quote]

The wager was not with the guy who started the predator thread. It was with someone else.

[/quote]

Who is the troll then - the thread starter or the guy who made good on the bet?

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.) [/quote]

No, I did not get it[/quote]

This debate regarding the validity of the information that’s out there reminded me of the that predator program thread in BSL.

You asked me a question on 5-20 and the answer is yes, you pretty much got it.

That purensanity wanted fame and I helped him along. Eventually, he realized that being well known is not the same as being well respected. Furthermore, in this day and age, any publicity is not necessarily good. Otherwise, why didn’t his laughable ebook sell like hotcakes?.

Just look at his 5-20 post in which he comes clean:

“Hello my name is Bryan and I’m a beginning lifter. I’ve been lifting for a long time and haven’t made much progress in the last several years. I realize a big part of my issues is failing to self-evaluate my own workouts objectively. There are many things I stopped paying attention to that are very important.”

Then he blabbered on about how he’s going to forge on with the experiment in the name of body comp. This was just a normal way of saving face in light of the public humiliation he suffered.

Plus, I had some friendly side wagers that, contrary to popular belief, trolls can indeed be put in their place. You just have to find a weakness; and they ALL have a weakness or they wouldn’t be trolls.

Since he showed a more deferential tone from that point on, and because I collected my winnings from the wagers, I saw no further need to bother with that sad little man. [/quote]

If he honored the wager he wasn’t a troll. [/quote]

The wager was not with the guy who started the predator thread. It was with someone else.

[/quote]

Who is the troll then - the thread starter or the guy who made good on the bet?
[/quote]

The thread starter, of course. He wanted free publicity to sell his ebooks and garner e-pats on the back.

If your opinion differs (and by your rhetorical question, it appears that way), then ask yourself who is the troll now…?

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Your achievement at a given endeavor would be a small consideration in choosing a coach.

Their communication skills, their ability to assess, to problem solve and listen, their motivation skills, their contacts, their knowledge, their ability to form relationships. If they can’t do that, I couldn’t care less if they ran a 9sec 100m sprint as it they are an outcome of a much greater system and those systems change.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I also miss TC’s articles.
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X 1,000

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[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
^^^
mbdix, did you get the PM I sent you several weeks back re: another thread in BSL? (This may be a derail or tangentially related to the topic at hand.) [/quote]

No, I did not get it[/quote]

This debate regarding the validity of the information that’s out there reminded me of the that predator program thread in BSL.

You asked me a question on 5-20 and the answer is yes, you pretty much got it.

That purensanity wanted fame and I helped him along. Eventually, he realized that being well known is not the same as being well respected. Furthermore, in this day and age, any publicity is not necessarily good. Otherwise, why didn’t his laughable ebook sell like hotcakes?.

Just look at his 5-20 post in which he comes clean:

“Hello my name is Bryan and I’m a beginning lifter. I’ve been lifting for a long time and haven’t made much progress in the last several years. I realize a big part of my issues is failing to self-evaluate my own workouts objectively. There are many things I stopped paying attention to that are very important.”

Then he blabbered on about how he’s going to forge on with the experiment in the name of body comp. This was just a normal way of saving face in light of the public humiliation he suffered.

Plus, I had some friendly side wagers that, contrary to popular belief, trolls can indeed be put in their place. You just have to find a weakness; and they ALL have a weakness or they wouldn’t be trolls.

Since he showed a more deferential tone from that point on, and because I collected my winnings from the wagers, I saw no further need to bother with that sad little man. [/quote]

If he honored the wager he wasn’t a troll. [/quote]

The wager was not with the guy who started the predator thread. It was with someone else.

[/quote]

Who is the troll then - the thread starter or the guy who made good on the bet?
[/quote]

The thread starter, of course. He wanted free publicity to sell his ebooks and garner e-pats on the back.

If your opinion differs (and by your rhetorical question, it appears that way), then ask yourself who is the troll now…?

[/quote]

There was no rhetorical question. You said the thread starter was the the troll but the wager was with someone else entirely, who apparently is also a troll after giving you money, and so am I after pointing this out…

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Well, if I am going to complain about an article I should also give props when they are deserved.

I have liked each article on here since the ‘massive, big, strong shoulder’ one. Very good comeback T-Nation