[quote]Lorisco wrote:
beaul wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Bro, on what do you base your belief that no God or higher power exists?
I use common sense and my own free will. Along with the brain that the millions of years of evolution created.
What do religious people base their beliefs on? A book? or hope and faith that something has to exist otherwise how else do I except that when i die it will just be THE END.
Eventually religion will be phased out. It will happen though. As more people come to realize no one is watching down on them or gives a rats ass.
Religion is both good and bad. It keeps some people on track that would other wise use their human instincts to do bad things.
But some take it over the top. I feel so sorry for these people. Like the people that feel they have to quote stuff out of a book that was made up. Don’t try to push your erroneous beliefs off on me. This wasn’t directed at you Lorisco i just got off on a tangent 
WWJD,
beau
Well, I can’t answer for everyone, but I can tell you what my beliefs are based on.
To me, being an Atheist or believer in a higher power all boil down to the origin of man, the world, and the universe as we know it. When I look at amazing advances in science and all we can do with technology and then look at the science behind evolution I can’t comprehend the evolution model. I mean, if you were honest you would admit that there are major flaws with the evolutionary model that can’t be explained. There are also flaws with ID model. But it is amazing to me that for all our advances that we cannot factually demonstrate where man came from and why we are here.
If you go back far enough you still get to a place where science doesn’t help. Like, if the world started with the big bang, where did the matter come from to explode? Keep going back as far as you like and at some point there has to be a beginning. Matter can change form but not pop into existence by itself.
So based on all we know scientifically right now, going back to fundamental matter, it had to be created or put there by an outside force. So at some point there was nothing and then something. And THAT is where my faith is based. I base it on the fact that matter cannot come from nothing. It can change forms, but not pop into existence on it’s own. So this is why I know there is a God or creative force that started everything.
You may just blow this off, and that’s cool. But if you are honest you will realize that you can’t explain it either.
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Evolution as a component of this discussion is something of such magnificence that it does not suprise me that it is lost on you. In that i do not mean to be patronising.
What i mean is that the details of evolution in the most proper and exact terms are understood by relatively few people. danile Dennett writes on this, and writes well, but a a concept to explain to the uninniciated, it is heavy, to say the least.
The rest of us have to do witha simplified version until we can build upon that, or not. What you say is what can only be considered an oversimplification of the highest order. The volumes and probonilities in evolution are mind boggling, as seems to be the case here.
If you say that your faith is based where you have stated, then this is a simple issue of the worsip of the gap god. the gap god happilysits in those distant reaches of the unexplainable, the before the big bang, the areas where we cant currently measure. the gap god is a weak god, where sooner or later the facade of mystery will fall to information.
be wary of the gap god. he has survived for milenia, but is chased to further and further reaches of existence as we discover more. Eventually he may de disclosed as a moused in a beard.
or not…