curious to know, those that juice you ever get your T levels checked? what kinda numbers do you get?
they same normal range is 300ng/l - 1100, wonder how much higher do T levels go for guys on roids?
Labcorp reports high levels as:
FT>49
TT>1500
It does not take much to get there. Don’t throw money away with the wrong lab.
I would be more interested in the T levels of steroid users when they are off cycle and fully recovered. How many people actually ever get decent readings again. It seems most people sit at the bottom range - though it may be because it is only men with problems that post their results on forums.
After around 10 years of 1-2 short cycles per tear (4-12 weeks) - I was tested after a 6 week dianabol and winstrol cycle (6-weeks post), no PCT and came up with 32 nmol/L (UK units range 9-38). Age at time of testing 38
I don’t know of anyone who does that (gets their T levels tested while on-cycle.) It almost certainly can’t be a totally-unknown practice but it’s not the norm, for sure.
I am not absolutely positive but I believe that many years ago I saw a literature figure in the 5000 ng/dL range for total T of a person using injectable testosterone.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I don’t know of anyone who does that (gets their T levels tested while on-cycle.) It almost certainly can’t be a totally-unknown practice but it’s not the norm, for sure.
I am not absolutely positive but I believe that many years ago I saw a literature figure in the 5000 ng/dL range for total T of a person using injectable testosterone.
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The graph above illustrates plasma total T in normal men when dosed with 200mg per Test E. It also illustrates the impact of HCG at various doses along with the 200mg of Test E. With a range of 9-38 ng/L as “normal” 200mg along with HCG appears on average to give a very good TRT or replacement dose.
I should have been clearer: by “on-cycle” I meant a bodybuilding or strength oriented cycle, rather than TRT dosages. Testing is indeed commonly done for dosages at those levels.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I should have been clearer: by “on-cycle” I meant a bodybuilding or strength oriented cycle, rather than TRT dosages. Testing is indeed commonly done for dosages at those levels.[/quote]
Are changes in total testosterone linear - with dosage?
No. Once levels are quite high (actually the effect starts at zero but is negligible for quite some range, with no particular cutoff as to what one would call negligible or not) then a given percentage increase in free T yields a smaller percentage increase in bound T and a smaller percentage increase in total T.
Really it is free T that is important anyway, with total simply being a function of free and the amount of SHBG, but I didn’t recall free values. They are however in a serious T-based cycle several or many times higher than the top end of normal.
the info pack that comes with Androgel metioned a case of overdose where the subject had T level of 11,400ng/dL
that’s so beyond normal range I can’t imagine how this was affecting him.
Just as pure guesswork – and I really want to emphasize that it is pure guesswork – that might be the sort of level that 2-4 g/week of injected testosterone may produce.
If the fellow wasn’t bothered by the resulting increased estrogen, he may well have liked it.